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Post by easyheat on Mar 20, 2024 14:10:18 GMT -8
Washington head coach Jason Kelly in a mid-game interview during the Sunday game at Texas after his team fell behind early with the help of a lot of walks. “You throw strikes, you win. You don’t throw strikes, you lose. It’s that simple. Been that way for nearly 200 years.”
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 20, 2024 17:59:21 GMT -8
Washington head coach Jason Kelly in a mid-game interview during the Sunday game at Texas after his team fell behind early with the help of a lot of walks. “You throw strikes, you win. You don’t throw strikes, you lose. It’s that simple. Been that way for nearly 200 years.”
I wonder how many strikes he threw at the college level, to make a comment like that. |
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Post by abureid on Mar 21, 2024 3:49:56 GMT -8
Washington head coach Jason Kelly in a mid-game interview during the Sunday game at Texas after his team fell behind early with the help of a lot of walks. “You throw strikes, you win. You don’t throw strikes, you lose. It’s that simple. Been that way for nearly 200 years.”
Technically true, but if you can’t stay in the black against our lineup you may be in for a short stay on the mound. Baseballs thrown over the white part of the plate will be rudely returned with launch angles in the mid 20’s |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Mar 21, 2024 6:54:27 GMT -8
Washington head coach Jason Kelly in a mid-game interview during the Sunday game at Texas after his team fell behind early with the help of a lot of walks. “You throw strikes, you win. You don’t throw strikes, you lose. It’s that simple. Been that way for nearly 200 years.”
Technically true, but if you can’t stay in the black against our lineup you may be in for a short stay on the mound. Baseballs thrown over the white part of the plate will be rudely returned with launch angles in the mid 20’s Well, if we are talking technicalities, the black is not technically part of the strike zone, so throwing in the black means you are not throwing strikes. So I guess you are saying it is a lose lose proposition playing the Beavers! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 21, 2024 6:58:45 GMT -8
Washington head coach Jason Kelly in a mid-game interview during the Sunday game at Texas after his team fell behind early with the help of a lot of walks. “You throw strikes, you win. You don’t throw strikes, you lose. It’s that simple. Been that way for nearly 200 years.”
Technically true, but if you can’t stay in the black against our lineup you may be in for a short stay on the mound. Baseballs thrown over the white part of the plate will be rudely returned with launch angles in the mid 20’s Unless you're the Arkansas ace..... |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 21, 2024 7:09:32 GMT -8
Technically true, but if you can’t stay in the black against our lineup you may be in for a short stay on the mound. Baseballs thrown over the white part of the plate will be rudely returned with launch angles in the mid 20’s Unless you're the Arkansas ace..... 23 IP, 8 H, 8BB, 1 HBP, 50K, 4 ER. 3 of the runs and 3 of the freebies and 2 of the K were in his 1 inning against JMU. His performance against us was not an aberration, dudes a dude. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 21, 2024 8:24:24 GMT -8
As a pretty good pitcher once said... paraphrased as his exact phrasing was different:
To actually be a "pitcher" vs a "thrower" one needs to consistently control at least (4) pitches. Two being fastballs and with the ability to throw each in any count. As be said the ability to simply over power hitters on a consistent basis is rare.
Once you have that you can make your strikes look like balls, and your balls look like strikes.
Greg was the master at seemingly effortless command and smooth repeatable delivery. He was the most down to earth guy who could talk pitching in the most simplistic way.
The plate being (7) balls wide he touted jamming vs letting hitters get extension. Versus RH hitters he was a "127"... tight, in, wide. And the reverse to LH's... "761". The key was to throw "X's" with multiple pitches. Once you get a hitter thinking vs reacting work their natural instincts a pitcher has won.
I'm still amazed how many D1 pitchers can't control two pitches. Some don't even have a competition ready 3rd. You don't have to be a Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine to be able to have at least (3) pitches one can shape and control.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 21, 2024 9:42:31 GMT -8
It would be interesting to see how Maddux and Glavine, in particular, would fare in the current era, when the strike zone is so much more defined. Those guys regularly got called strikes on pitches that were at least an inch, often two, off the plate. That just doesn't happen anymore now that the strike-zone box has made umpires much more accountable to the true strike zone.
They'd be good because they were good pitchers. But perhaps not as good.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Mar 21, 2024 10:09:53 GMT -8
It would be interesting to see how Maddux and Glavine, in particular, would fare in the current era, when the strike zone is so much more defined. Those guys regularly got called strikes on pitches that were at least an inch, often two, off the plate. That just doesn't happen anymore now that the strike-zone box has made umpires much more accountable to the true strike zone. They'd be good because they were good pitchers. But perhaps not as good. But, anything above the belt was called a ball back then. Honestly, since neither Glavine or Maddux relied on blowing guys away, pitched to contact and had sub 4 era's in their age 40 seasons in 2006, I think they do fine. Hitters strike out a lot more now, and maddux and glavine would probably find it easier to make guys chase. |
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Post by 93beav on Mar 21, 2024 11:53:03 GMT -8
As a pretty good pitcher once said... paraphrased as his exact phrasing was different: To actually be a "pitcher" vs a "thrower" one needs to consistently control at least (4) pitches. Two being fastballs and with the ability to throw each in any count. As be said the ability to simply over power hitters on a consistent basis is rare. Once you have that you can make your strikes look like balls, and your balls look like strikes. Greg was the master at seemingly effortless command and smooth repeatable delivery. He was the most down to earth guy who could talk pitching in the most simplistic way. The plate being (7) balls wide he touted jamming vs letting hitters get extension. Versus RH hitters he was a "127"... tight, in, wide. And the reverse to LH's... "761". The key was to throw "X's" with multiple pitches. Once you get a hitter thinking vs reacting work their natural instincts a pitcher has won. I'm still amazed how many D1 pitchers can't control two pitches. Some don't even have a competition ready 3rd. You don't have to be a Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine to be able to have at least (3) pitches one can shape and control. The other thing about Maddux, though, was that he tracked every pitch sequence he threw against hitters (or at least certain hitters) across an entire season. He was incredibly studious and thoughtful in planning out his attack against each team, which is probably more effort than most pitchers (can?) put in these days. Spoken as a long-suffering Cub fan who still bitter about his departure. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Mar 21, 2024 11:56:46 GMT -8
Technically true, but if you can’t stay in the black against our lineup you may be in for a short stay on the mound. Baseballs thrown over the white part of the plate will be rudely returned with launch angles in the mid 20’s Well, if we are talking technicalities, the black is not technically part of the strike zone, so throwing in the black means you are not throwing strikes. So I guess you are saying it is a lose lose proposition playing the Beavers! I'll take message board smart ass for $1,000 Alex. If we're really, really, really talking technicalities, a hit is never technically a strike. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 21, 2024 13:53:34 GMT -8
Well, if we are talking technicalities, the black is not technically part of the strike zone, so throwing in the black means you are not throwing strikes. So I guess you are saying it is a lose lose proposition playing the Beavers! I'll take message board smart ass for $1,000 Alex. If we're really, really, really talking technicalities, a hit is never technically a strike. All box scores include a pitch count, broken down by balls and strikes. Any pitch that is put in play (hit, out, error, etc.) is counted as a strike. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Mar 21, 2024 14:24:44 GMT -8
I'll take message board smart ass for $1,000 Alex. If we're really, really, really talking technicalities, a hit is never technically a strike. All box scores include a pitch count, broken down by balls and strikes. Any pitch that is put in play (hit, out, error, etc.) is counted as a strike. If the count is 3-2 and the next pitch results in a hit, it's recorded as a hit in the scorebook not a strikeout. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 21, 2024 14:27:21 GMT -8
All box scores include a pitch count, broken down by balls and strikes. Any pitch that is put in play (hit, out, error, etc.) is counted as a strike. If the count is 3-2 and the next pitch results in a hit, it's recorded as a hit in the scorebook not a strikeout. He's saying it is considered a strike in the pitch count, which is correct. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Mar 21, 2024 14:46:13 GMT -8
If the count is 3-2 and the next pitch results in a hit, it's recorded as a hit in the scorebook not a strikeout. He's saying it is considered a strike in the pitch count, which is correct. I got that, but strikes is not an official stat line. Pitch Count/Number of Pitches is, so it's arbitrary where the pitch which resulted in a hit is recorded, just that it needs to be recorded in one of the standard columns to track total pitches. Doesn't make it a strike, but if ever there was some gray area to argue over on a board known for arguing over how bad a WIN is, this may be it  |
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