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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 21, 2024 16:22:23 GMT -8
Here is an official MLB box score. You will see, under the pitching stats, that the number of strikes and ball is clearly recorded. As I said, pitches put in play are considered strikes.  |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 21, 2024 17:38:36 GMT -8
It would be interesting to see how Maddux and Glavine, in particular, would fare in the current era, when the strike zone is so much more defined. Those guys regularly got called strikes on pitches that were at least an inch, often two, off the plate. That just doesn't happen anymore now that the strike-zone box has made umpires much more accountable to the true strike zone. They'd be good because they were good pitchers. But perhaps not as good. Except that ump in the LSU game. |
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Post by ag87 on Mar 21, 2024 19:14:25 GMT -8
It would be interesting to see how Maddux and Glavine, in particular, would fare in the current era, when the strike zone is so much more defined. Those guys regularly got called strikes on pitches that were at least an inch, often two, off the plate. That just doesn't happen anymore now that the strike-zone box has made umpires much more accountable to the true strike zone. They'd be good because they were good pitchers. But perhaps not as good. Except that ump in the LSU game. I'm guessing $500 buys some strikes. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 21, 2024 19:54:46 GMT -8
It would be interesting to see how Maddux and Glavine, in particular, would fare in the current era, when the strike zone is so much more defined. Those guys regularly got called strikes on pitches that were at least an inch, often two, off the plate. That just doesn't happen anymore now that the strike-zone box has made umpires much more accountable to the true strike zone. They'd be good because they were good pitchers. But perhaps not as good. Except that ump in the LSU game. Except that wasn't an MLB game. There is no Kbox in college baseball. |
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Post by kersting13 on Mar 21, 2024 21:24:04 GMT -8
He's saying it is considered a strike in the pitch count, which is correct. I got that, but strikes is not an official stat line. Pitch Count/Number of Pitches is, so it's arbitrary where the pitch which resulted in a hit is recorded, just that it needs to be recorded in one of the standard columns to track total pitches. Doesn't make it a strike, but if ever there was some gray area to argue over on a board known for arguing over how bad a WIN is, this may be it  Any pitch that is swung at by a batter is a strike. You don't have to throw it in the "box" to throw a strike. Every pitch is either: - a ball, which is one that doesn't go in the strike zone and is NOT swung at. - a strike, which is one that either goes through the strike zone OR is swung at. Pitchers get credit for throwing a strike on a 55ft curve ball or a pitch to the backstop if the batter swings, regardless of whether contact is made. A hit IS a strike, because the batter swung at it (or even had it accidentally hit his bat when the bat is on his shoulder). |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Mar 22, 2024 10:00:59 GMT -8
I got that, but strikes is not an official stat line. Pitch Count/Number of Pitches is, so it's arbitrary where the pitch which resulted in a hit is recorded, just that it needs to be recorded in one of the standard columns to track total pitches. Doesn't make it a strike, but if ever there was some gray area to argue over on a board known for arguing over how bad a WIN is, this may be it Any pitch that is swung at by a batter is a strike. You don't have to throw it in the "box" to throw a strike. Every pitch is either: - a ball, which is one that doesn't go in the strike zone and is NOT swung at. - a strike, which is one that either goes through the strike zone OR is swung at. Pitchers get credit for throwing a strike on a 55ft curve ball or a pitch to the backstop if the batter swings, regardless of whether contact is made. A hit IS a strike, because the batter swung at it (or even had it accidentally hit his bat when the bat is on his shoulder). For it's one, two, three strikes a HIT At the old ball game.  As I replied earlier in this thread, I wasn't disputing how pitch count elements are classified. I did say it was arbitrary in that post and given more thought I don't think that's correct now. Scorecards are supposed to be provable mathematically, so it makes more sense to record a hit in the strike column for pitch count purposes. I don't think there is an exception to a walk being anything more or less than 4 balls, maybe a balk called prior to a pitch being thrown. 4 balls = a walk. With strikes that's not the case. 5, 6, or 7 foul balls in a row are examples. So a strikeout (an official pitching stat) does not always mean only 3 strikes were tallied whereas a walk (another official pitching stat) always equals 4 balls. One thing I love about this game is, even after thousands of games being played over decades upon decades, it seems every year a scenario nobody recalls ever taking place pops up. So if there's a scenario where a runner can be officially walked other than 4 balls I'd love to hear it. Interference is not a walk, pitch clock violation is a ball so no that's not a scenario either. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 22, 2024 10:04:49 GMT -8
Any pitch that is swung at by a batter is a strike. You don't have to throw it in the "box" to throw a strike. Every pitch is either: - a ball, which is one that doesn't go in the strike zone and is NOT swung at. - a strike, which is one that either goes through the strike zone OR is swung at. Pitchers get credit for throwing a strike on a 55ft curve ball or a pitch to the backstop if the batter swings, regardless of whether contact is made. A hit IS a strike, because the batter swung at it (or even had it accidentally hit his bat when the bat is on his shoulder). For it's one, two, three strikes a HIT At the old ball game. As I replied earlier in this thread, I wasn't disputing how pitch count elements are classified. I did say it was arbitrary in that post and given more thought I don't think that's correct now. Scorecards are supposed to be provable mathematically, so it makes more sense to record a hit in the strike column for pitch count purposes. I don't think there is an exception to a walk being anything more or less than 4 balls, maybe a balk called prior to a pitch being thrown. 4 balls = a walk. With strikes that's not the case. 5, 6, or 7 foul balls in a row are examples. So a strikeout (an official pitching stat) does not always mean only 3 strikes were tallied whereas a walk (another official pitching stat) always equals 4 balls. One thing I love about this game is, even after thousands of games being played over decades upon decades, it seems every year a scenario nobody recalls ever taking place pops up. So if there's a scenario where a runner can be officially walked other than 4 balls I'd love to hear it. Interference is not a walk, pitch clock violation is a ball so no that's not a scenario either. You don't have to throw a single pitch to intentionally walk someone. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Mar 22, 2024 10:13:41 GMT -8
For it's one, two, three strikes a HIT At the old ball game. As I replied earlier in this thread, I wasn't disputing how pitch count elements are classified. I did say it was arbitrary in that post and given more thought I don't think that's correct now. Scorecards are supposed to be provable mathematically, so it makes more sense to record a hit in the strike column for pitch count purposes. I don't think there is an exception to a walk being anything more or less than 4 balls, maybe a balk called prior to a pitch being thrown. 4 balls = a walk. With strikes that's not the case. 5, 6, or 7 foul balls in a row are examples. So a strikeout (an official pitching stat) does not always mean only 3 strikes were tallied whereas a walk (another official pitching stat) always equals 4 balls. One thing I love about this game is, even after thousands of games being played over decades upon decades, it seems every year a scenario nobody recalls ever taking place pops up. So if there's a scenario where a runner can be officially walked other than 4 balls I'd love to hear it. Interference is not a walk, pitch clock violation is a ball so no that's not a scenario either. You don't have to throw a single pitch to intentionally walk someone. True, and didn't the stats change to reflect the new rule by adding IBB. |
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Post by kersting13 on Mar 22, 2024 10:36:48 GMT -8
Any pitch that is swung at by a batter is a strike. You don't have to throw it in the "box" to throw a strike. Every pitch is either: - a ball, which is one that doesn't go in the strike zone and is NOT swung at. - a strike, which is one that either goes through the strike zone OR is swung at. Pitchers get credit for throwing a strike on a 55ft curve ball or a pitch to the backstop if the batter swings, regardless of whether contact is made. A hit IS a strike, because the batter swung at it (or even had it accidentally hit his bat when the bat is on his shoulder). For it's one, two, three strikes a HIT At the old ball game. As I replied earlier in this thread, I wasn't disputing how pitch count elements are classified. I did say it was arbitrary in that post and given more thought I don't think that's correct now. Scorecards are supposed to be provable mathematically, so it makes more sense to record a hit in the strike column for pitch count purposes. I don't think there is an exception to a walk being anything more or less than 4 balls, maybe a balk called prior to a pitch being thrown. 4 balls = a walk. With strikes that's not the case. 5, 6, or 7 foul balls in a row are examples. So a strikeout (an official pitching stat) does not always mean only 3 strikes were tallied whereas a walk (another official pitching stat) always equals 4 balls. One thing I love about this game is, even after thousands of games being played over decades upon decades, it seems every year a scenario nobody recalls ever taking place pops up. So if there's a scenario where a runner can be officially walked other than 4 balls I'd love to hear it. Interference is not a walk, pitch clock violation is a ball so no that's not a scenario either. Some of the most "fun" you can have is to attempt to correctly score a little league game via electronic scorebook like GameChanger. So many more oddities of baseball come in to play the lower you go on the scale - try to score a "Benny Hill" session of baseballs being thrown around the diamond where the runner gets a "little league home run". Can I give 4 errors on the same play? How many players actually touched the ball? Batter Interference, runner interference, base obstruction, passed balls, runners being called out for missing bases, catcher's interference. You see it all. Even a decent HS game can be tough to score properly. Those once-in-a-lifetime scenarios happen much more frequently at the lower levels. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 22, 2024 12:31:05 GMT -8
For it's one, two, three strikes a HIT At the old ball game. As I replied earlier in this thread, I wasn't disputing how pitch count elements are classified. I did say it was arbitrary in that post and given more thought I don't think that's correct now. Scorecards are supposed to be provable mathematically, so it makes more sense to record a hit in the strike column for pitch count purposes. I don't think there is an exception to a walk being anything more or less than 4 balls, maybe a balk called prior to a pitch being thrown. 4 balls = a walk. With strikes that's not the case. 5, 6, or 7 foul balls in a row are examples. So a strikeout (an official pitching stat) does not always mean only 3 strikes were tallied whereas a walk (another official pitching stat) always equals 4 balls. One thing I love about this game is, even after thousands of games being played over decades upon decades, it seems every year a scenario nobody recalls ever taking place pops up. So if there's a scenario where a runner can be officially walked other than 4 balls I'd love to hear it. Interference is not a walk, pitch clock violation is a ball so no that's not a scenario either. Some of the most "fun" you can have is to attempt to correctly score a little league game via electronic scorebook like GameChanger. So many more oddities of baseball come in to play the lower you go on the scale - try to score a "Benny Hill" session of baseballs being thrown around the diamond where the runner gets a "little league home run". Can I give 4 errors on the same play? How many players actually touched the ball? Batter Interference, runner interference, base obstruction, passed balls, runners being called out for missing bases, catcher's interference. You see it all. Even a decent HS game can be tough to score properly. Those once-in-a-lifetime scenarios happen much more frequently at the lower levels. Add,,, thrown gloves, masks, hats at thrown or batted balls! Try explaining to LL coaches/parents the "3 base award" for all runner and batter if a batted ball is field, hit but a hat, catchers mask (on a bunt), thrown glove, etc. |
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