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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 11:49:08 GMT -8
"I think as college sports fans, our best bet is to root for the team each year and get attached to nobody. Otherwise, you’ll be upset a lot
That logic works good for me.
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Post by grayman on May 6, 2024 11:58:16 GMT -8
Everybody tells these kids that it’s a business and to view their relationships with coaches as transactional because that’s how their coaches view them. For example, go there and play as expected or better, coach treats you well. Go and underperform, coach starts hoping you leave and treating you accordingly. I think as college sports fans, our best bet is to root for the team each year and get attached to nobody. Otherwise, you’ll be upset a lot. Agreed. It is probably best, especially in basketball to assume when a player comes to OSU that it is for one season. If they end up staying for more, it is icing on the cake. Assuming a multiple year commitment is setting ones self-up for disappointment. I disagree. There is zero evidence of this with the exception of this offseason and the driving factor of the WCC move. And even then, only Dom and Hunter entered the portal after one season. Again, it's the WCC move and maybe something else involving the program. I'm not saying players won't enter the portal. It happens and will continue as long as the current rules are in place. But a top program doesn't lose all of its top players -- and I mean ALL of them -- from a very successful team. It's just not happening at other programs. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 6, 2024 12:02:57 GMT -8
Probly not. But, we are not in that position, and likely never will be. Can anyone think of another situation like this? It's pretty unique with the portal, NIL, and us being relegated to a lesser conference. The only comparison to be drawn is likely with Washington State - and sadly a similar scenario (or worse) is playing out over there - MBB/WBB/Football players transferring, successful coaches finding "better"/P4 jobs, the AD bolting in a real gut-punch to the sister school that helped seal the doom. And I don't know if even WSU indulged in the "we are family" or "success built not bought" sort of branding that we have been emphasizing recently. Will be interesting to see how well WSU/OSU can come back from these body blows. The next two years are certainly somewhat transitory, but to what form of future state? The Exodus 8 were staring at living basically 10% of their lives navigating all this uncertainty that they didn't sign up for, and so they bailed. Us alumni and lifelong fans don't have that luxury. I think what is disquieting is the level of loyalty that we are finding exists among the participants in this arena - but I think at the end of the day the idealized view of college sports is colliding with business. And business is carrying the day, and if this is all just a business - should we expect loyalty? And should we take it personal when someone makes a "business decision"? Go Beavers! So if it's purely a business transaction, I don't wanna hear about "family" and all that.....it means nothing. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 6, 2024 14:07:13 GMT -8
Agreed. It is probably best, especially in basketball to assume when a player comes to OSU that it is for one season. If they end up staying for more, it is icing on the cake. Assuming a multiple year commitment is setting ones self-up for disappointment. I disagree. There is zero evidence of this with the exception of this offseason and the driving factor of the WCC move. And even then, only Dom and Hunter entered the portal after one season. Again, it's the WCC move and maybe something else involving the program. I'm not saying players won't enter the portal. It happens and will continue as long as the current rules are in place. But a top program doesn't lose all of its top players -- and I mean ALL of them -- from a very successful team. It's just not happening at other programs. The philosophical approach you take towards players and how long they will stay is obviously your choice. I was simply stating how I am going to approach it. A few players will spend their entire career at OSU, but the math shows that that will be the exception rather than the rule. The numbers indicate that nationally teams are losing on average 4 players a year to the portal. |
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Post by grayman on May 6, 2024 14:32:41 GMT -8
I disagree. There is zero evidence of this with the exception of this offseason and the driving factor of the WCC move. And even then, only Dom and Hunter entered the portal after one season. Again, it's the WCC move and maybe something else involving the program. I'm not saying players won't enter the portal. It happens and will continue as long as the current rules are in place. But a top program doesn't lose all of its top players -- and I mean ALL of them -- from a very successful team. It's just not happening at other programs. The philosophical approach you take towards players and how long they will stay is obviously your choice. I was simply stating how I am going to approach it. A few players will spend their entire career at OSU, but the math shows that that will be the exception rather than the rule. The numbers indicate that nationally teams are losing on average 4 players a year to the portal. Yeah, I don't disagree that teams lose players to the portal and of course you can approach it as you want. Again, this exodus is not an accurate representation of normalcy at Oregon State. And I don't think the math shows (yet) that it will be the exception rather than the rule for WBB players to spend their entire career at OSU. Maybe it will moving forward. I would add that while teams lose players to the portal, the stronger programs nearly always gain players as well and often players who are just as good or even better than those lost. But OSU probably is no longer among the stronger programs and probably needs to get into a power conference to be able to get back to that level. |
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Post by norm on May 6, 2024 14:34:25 GMT -8
Everybody tells these kids that it’s a business and to view their relationships with coaches as transactional because that’s how their coaches view them. For example, go there and play as expected or better, coach treats you well. Go and underperform, coach starts hoping you leave and treating you accordingly. I think as college sports fans, our best bet is to root for the team each year and get attached to nobody. Otherwise, you’ll be upset a lot. Agreed. It is probably best, especially in basketball to assume when a player comes to OSU that it is for one season. If they end up staying for more, it is icing on the cake. Assuming a multiple year commitment is setting ones self-up for disappointment. What happened was, the team had success, therefore the players got exposure. Beers and Gardner are elite and will do great wherever they go. The others were in high demand because of team success and their occasional great performances, which was primarily due to the coaches and schemes putting them in positions of success. It’s a lot easier to look good when you are playing with two elite players and are always the 4th or 5th option on the court. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 6, 2024 14:51:38 GMT -8
Agreed. It is probably best, especially in basketball to assume when a player comes to OSU that it is for one season. If they end up staying for more, it is icing on the cake. Assuming a multiple year commitment is setting ones self-up for disappointment. What happened was, the team had success, therefore the players got exposure. Beers and Gardner are elite and will do great wherever they go. The others were in high demand because of team success and their occasional great performances, which was primarily due to the coaches and schemes putting them in positions of success. It’s a lot easier to look good when you are playing with two elite players and are always the 4th or 5th option on the court.Exactly, it's hard for me to envision anyone other than Gardner and Beers being "stars" at their new destinations. Complementary pieces, yes. This past year's team was much more the sums of its parts than full of standout players. |
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Post by grayman on May 6, 2024 15:28:37 GMT -8
I don't think Lily, Adlee and Hunter are delusional about what their roles will be on their new teams.
Beers will continue on her star journey.
Timea will no doubt be among the top players on UCLA's roster.
TVO? My guess based on her play this past season is she will be lucky not to be a role player and I doubt that she sees it that way.
What happened is the team had success and was looking at dropping to the WCC. And maybe there's a secondary reason as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2024 6:23:04 GMT -8
I kind-of-sort-of understand the WCC leaving logic. But it only qualifies as a maybe for me. TVO, outgrew OSU, I get it. Beers and Gardiner never seemed like they liked it here meaning OSU Campus or Corvallis. In hindsight they may have confused OSU WBB for the WNBA minor leagues. The others all seemed like normal fun loving college kids. I’ll qualify. I am on campus at Dixon, Dutch Bros across from Gill, and walking around track in front of Dixon nearly every day. Seeing the players around those areas is normal.
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Post by 93beav on May 7, 2024 7:06:12 GMT -8
I kind-of-sort-of understand the WCC leaving logic. But it only qualifies as a maybe for me. TVO, outgrew OSU, I get it. Beers and Gardiner never seemed like they liked it here meaning OSU Campus or Corvallis. In hindsight they may have confused OSU WBB for the WNBA minor leagues. The others all seemed like normal fun loving college kids. I’ll qualify. I am on campus at Dixon, Dutch Bros across from Gill, and walking around track in front of Dixon nearly every day. Seeing the players around those areas is normal. I'm curious why you say Beers and Gardiner never seemed like they liked it here. Upon what basis do you make that judgment? |
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Post by oldbeav on May 7, 2024 7:10:38 GMT -8
Wonder how Beers is feeling about her choice of Oklahoma after seeing the severe weather and tornado damage overnight 🌪️
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Post by gnawitall on May 7, 2024 7:19:14 GMT -8
Wonder how Beers is feeling about her choice of Oklahoma after seeing the severe weather and tornado damage overnight 🌪️ If you get three 🌪🌪🌪 on the game Money Storm you get into the bonus. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2024 7:32:27 GMT -8
"I'm curious why you say Beers and Gardiner never seemed like they liked it here. Upon what basis do you make that judgment?" Seeing them around campus. At games and after games it was all laughter and love this year and last year. Last year Both were noticeably social, not this year not. The change was noticeable.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 7, 2024 10:34:56 GMT -8
"I'm curious why you say Beers and Gardiner never seemed like they liked it here. Upon what basis do you make that judgment?" Seeing them around campus. At games and after games it was all laughter and love this year and last year. Last year Both were noticeably social, not this year not. The change was noticeable. From what I saw, Beers embraced Corvallis whole heartedly. We used to see her at all the sporting events, and she was always cheering loudly for her fellow Beaver athletes. If anything, I think it was a very hard decision for her to leave Corvallis. |
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Post by grad1973 on May 7, 2024 11:21:45 GMT -8
I thought this was about recruiting and the players. Well their ni activity concerning Osu so whats there to look forward to or plan on seeing?
Very quiet regarding beaver and portal . Can someone maybe chime in about the beavers
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