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Post by grayman on May 1, 2024 9:48:12 GMT -8
That's interesting, because the Iowa football fans are complaining about how the football players aren't getting close to that kind of money. But the women's basketball team is? That seems improbable. And on Oklahoma. The softball team, near and dear to an Oklahoman's heart, has their top player at $40-60k. I'd make it a toss-up as to whether Beers will be getting more or less than what she could get at OSU. And that is not 250k. I was recently having a conversation about the Beaver's woes in WBB with a friend who is very high up in the basketball division of a certain shoe company and was conveying to me a conversation with a colleague of his who had direct knowledge of what was going on at OSU. He was told by his source that the mass transfer exodus was due to 2 things- NIL $ opportunities and the drop down to the WCC. He specifically said Beers will command 300K-400K in the transfer market. Now, I know rgeorge will vehemently deny this is possible but I 100% trust my friend and he is in the basketball world at a very high level. Again, I say the WCC move is the main reason. Yes, I believe Beers can and probably will, pull in a big NIL deal. I would think Timea could get a pretty good one, though probably well under what Beers can get. Then it drops significantly, IMO. Most of the OSU players in the portal just aren't in line for anything close to big deals. The players don't want to play in the WCC. IMO, that absolutely includes Beers. She could have bailed after her freshman season for a good NIL deal at a big name school. But she was playing in the Pac-12 then. |
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Post by skyrider on May 1, 2024 10:39:42 GMT -8
grayman,
Thanks as always for your thoughts.
Am I correct in my assumption that the entire "big time" college sports situation is in utter chaos?
Do you believe that there will be some sort of significant legislation, correction that will somewhat resemble what we had in the past?
I believe that what we are going to end up with is a product that resembles NASCAR, minor league baseball, reality TV shows, professional wrestling, etc.
The younger people will never know what they missed.
Us older folks just need to realize that the past is gone and quit blowing our money on trying to bring it back!
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Post by rgeorge on May 1, 2024 11:09:19 GMT -8
Hmmmm... the constant "insider" info with zero direct knowledge that completely ignores posted collective info for schools. The Crimson & Cream and Strengthening Oklahoma NIL's merged, leaving (3) total NIL collectives at Oklahoma... Crimson & Cream seen as the preferred collective although 1Oklahoma states they are the only approved collective?? The other (2) were at 35% of their goal for reaching monthly subscriptions by the end of 2023... of $50k per month. That's $600k/yr and as multiple articles state most deals are in the hundreds of dollars per deal... most NIL deals are in the 4 figure area.
The merged NILs reached a $1.6 million fund raising goal (has $5 million total for all sports) was to sign every member, schollie and non on the football team to a NIL deal... 115 deals. Think there were many 5 figure deals in that, let alone 6? And, that was football... and never publicized if it ever happened.
1Oklahoma, Barry Switzer's collective signed the entire WBB team to his collective. It mostly provides and sets up outside NIL "opportunities" with several businesses and nonprofits. The athletes have several deals most ranging in the $500 per deal range, up to a max value at that time of $65K.
This collective said it "hoped" that athletes could earn... “The earning potential varies between sports and among athletes,” Williams said. “For instance, every OU football player will have the opportunity to earn between $40,000-$50,000 each year from 1Oklahoma NIL deals.” *I will say when I went to get updated info, 1Oklahoma.com does not exist (new site coming) nor does it's X account...
So... did Beers get an outside sponsorship from a business deal tied to Oklahoma? Maybe. Is she getting more than at OSU? Likely. But, if $ are your goal for picking a program, the rest of the public persona was BS. But no way she got 6 figures from one of the (3) OU university collectives. Not even sure she could get a combo of deals for that?!
But, for a comparison UT has a huge NIL collective, The Volunteer Club started in 2021, and announced as of the end of 2023 had found 1400 NIL deals for all their athletes, worth... $13.5 million total!
So, I'll continue to poo poo innuendo and rumor when school ADs consistently post info on actual NIL numbers, while social media and word of mouth info has consistently been proven inaccurate, or based on "potential" that is never met.
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Post by bvrbooster on May 1, 2024 11:17:06 GMT -8
grayman, Thanks as always for your thoughts. Am I correct in my assumption that the entire "big time" college sports situation is in utter chaos? Do you believe that there will be some sort of significant legislation, correction that will somewhat resemble what we had in the past? I believe that what we are going to end up with is a product that resembles NASCAR, minor league baseball, reality TV shows, professional wrestling, etc. The younger people will never know what they missed. Us older folks just need to realize that the past is gone and quit blowing our money on trying to bring it back! I agree with that 100% Sky. I have spent my money on college sports in general, and wbb specifically, based on the quaint, apparently outdated notion that the student athletes who committed to the program were doing so for the full 4 years, that they would want that school to be their alma mater, and would proudly support it for a lifetime. The 1,333 in the portal in general, and the 8 from Oregon State specifically, have demonstrated very clearly to me that my view on these things is no longer mainstream - in fact, diametrically opposed to it. So I can either cross the aisle, so to speak, or hold true to the outlook on things that has sustained me for 78 years. I am opting for the latter. |
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Post by grayman on May 1, 2024 11:33:51 GMT -8
grayman, Thanks as always for your thoughts. Am I correct in my assumption that the entire "big time" college sports situation is in utter chaos? Do you believe that there will be some sort of significant legislation, correction that will somewhat resemble what we had in the past? I believe that what we are going to end up with is a product that resembles NASCAR, minor league baseball, reality TV shows, professional wrestling, etc. The younger people will never know what they missed. Us older folks just need to realize that the past is gone and quit blowing our money on trying to bring it back! Yeah, I would say college sports is in a very chaotic state of flux. As we know, it's due to kind of a perfect storm of the rise of the NIL and transfer portal, both with little regulation or parameters, mixed with a power play by the Big Ten and SEC and actions by ESPN and Fox. I don't think any legislation is coming that will revert college sports to what it once was. There's an ongoing lawsuit against the NCAA for its NIL and recruiting rules. And there's the House vs. NCAA suit, which was in the news earlier this week (from Dennis Dodd, CBS sports): "The SEC and Big Ten are at the center of developing a revenue sharing plan with players that would redefine college athletics for the future, CBS Sports has learned. The still unrefined proposal -- currently utilizing the name "Modern Model" -- would not only share revenue with players but also perhaps help settle the House v. NCAA lawsuit that goes to trial in January 2025. The antitrust lawsuit is a class-action complaint alleging the NCAA and power conferences have conspired to suppress athletes' compensation. The lawsuit continues to be the top hurdle for programs in planning college athletics' future. Settlement money alone could cost universities between $15 million and $20 million. Athletic directors have been frustrated trying to figure out how to rearrange their budgets or otherwise account for a payment of that size. ESPN reported Monday night that the Power Four conferences are in "deep discussions" regarding a revenue sharing plan. It is not clear where that revenue would come from or how it would be distributed." Ross Dellenger posted on X that a Yahoo analysis of a possible revenue share model could result in a $15-20 million "permissive cap" and legal protection of 8-10 years with a continuation of the NIL and transfer liberty. And, something Oregon State fans should be very concerned about, a growing G5 gap. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 1, 2024 12:08:53 GMT -8
grayman, Thanks as always for your thoughts. Am I correct in my assumption that the entire "big time" college sports situation is in utter chaos? Do you believe that there will be some sort of significant legislation, correction that will somewhat resemble what we had in the past? I believe that what we are going to end up with is a product that resembles NASCAR, minor league baseball, reality TV shows, professional wrestling, etc. The younger people will never know what they missed. Us older folks just need to realize that the past is gone and quit blowing our money on trying to bring it back! Yeah, I would say college sports is in a very chaotic state of flux. As we know, it's due to kind of a perfect storm of the rise of the NIL and transfer portal, both with little regulation or parameters, mixed with a power play by the Big Ten and SEC and actions by ESPN and Fox. I don't think any legislation is coming that will revert college sports to what it once was. There's an ongoing lawsuit against the NCAA for its NIL and recruiting rules. And there's the House vs. NCAA suit, which was in the news earlier this week (from Dennis Dodd, CBS sports): "The SEC and Big Ten are at the center of developing a revenue sharing plan with players that would redefine college athletics for the future, CBS Sports has learned. The still unrefined proposal -- currently utilizing the name "Modern Model" -- would not only share revenue with players but also perhaps help settle the House v. NCAA lawsuit that goes to trial in January 2025. The antitrust lawsuit is a class-action complaint alleging the NCAA and power conferences have conspired to suppress athletes' compensation. The lawsuit continues to be the top hurdle for programs in planning college athletics' future. Settlement money alone could cost universities between $15 million and $20 million. Athletic directors have been frustrated trying to figure out how to rearrange their budgets or otherwise account for a payment of that size. ESPN reported Monday night that the Power Four conferences are in "deep discussions" regarding a revenue sharing plan. It is not clear where that revenue would come from or how it would be distributed." Ross Dellenger posted on X that a Yahoo analysis of a possible revenue share model could result in a $15-20 million "permissive cap" and legal protection of 8-10 years with a continuation of the NIL and transfer liberty. And, something Oregon State fans should be very concerned about, a growing G5 gap. I agree we are not going back. If anything, the gap will continue to widen. It's why the Pac 12 failed, and it's why the ACC schools are desperately trying to escape their media deal, at any cost. The writing is on the wall. The B1G, and the SEC are going to be exponentially richer than the rest of the the schools moving forward. Money=Power.......we've already been left behind, and will try to make our way as all this bulls%#t continues to unravel. Our AD is going to have to make some painful choices. We just aren't going to have the money to fund the AD at a P4 level like Barnes says we are. Where's the money going to come from? A glorified MW football conference is not going to command big media money. |
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Post by grayman on May 1, 2024 12:22:12 GMT -8
Yeah, I would say college sports is in a very chaotic state of flux. As we know, it's due to kind of a perfect storm of the rise of the NIL and transfer portal, both with little regulation or parameters, mixed with a power play by the Big Ten and SEC and actions by ESPN and Fox. I don't think any legislation is coming that will revert college sports to what it once was. There's an ongoing lawsuit against the NCAA for its NIL and recruiting rules. And there's the House vs. NCAA suit, which was in the news earlier this week (from Dennis Dodd, CBS sports): "The SEC and Big Ten are at the center of developing a revenue sharing plan with players that would redefine college athletics for the future, CBS Sports has learned. The still unrefined proposal -- currently utilizing the name "Modern Model" -- would not only share revenue with players but also perhaps help settle the House v. NCAA lawsuit that goes to trial in January 2025. The antitrust lawsuit is a class-action complaint alleging the NCAA and power conferences have conspired to suppress athletes' compensation. The lawsuit continues to be the top hurdle for programs in planning college athletics' future. Settlement money alone could cost universities between $15 million and $20 million. Athletic directors have been frustrated trying to figure out how to rearrange their budgets or otherwise account for a payment of that size. ESPN reported Monday night that the Power Four conferences are in "deep discussions" regarding a revenue sharing plan. It is not clear where that revenue would come from or how it would be distributed." Ross Dellenger posted on X that a Yahoo analysis of a possible revenue share model could result in a $15-20 million "permissive cap" and legal protection of 8-10 years with a continuation of the NIL and transfer liberty. And, something Oregon State fans should be very concerned about, a growing G5 gap. I agree we are not going back. If anything, the gap will continue to widen. It's why the Pac 12 failed, and it's why the ACC schools are desperately trying to escape their media deal, at any cost. The writing is on the wall. The B1G, and the SEC are going to be exponentially richer than the rest of the the schools moving forward. Money=Power.......we've already been left behind, and will try to make our way as all this bulls%#t continues to unravel. Our AD is going to have to make some painful choices. We just aren't going to have the money to fund the AD at a P4 level like Barnes says we are. Where's the money going to come from? A glorified MW football conference is not going to command big media money. Yeah, I'm just holding out hope that Oregon State gets into the ACC or Big 12. The ACC could very well present an opportunity but how much better it would be than the MWC remains to be seen. It would have to hold together at a reasonable level (I think it will) and then (preferably) look to build up a West Coast division. At the very least it could add OSU and WSU just to backfill, which is something that is being talked about in a positive way among some ACC fans and podcasters (FWIW). I think the Big 12 is the best landing place for OSU but it (along with ESPN) didn't want the Pac-2 schools. We'll see if that's changed or changes. Probably pretty slim chance there. |
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Post by beavfan14 on May 1, 2024 13:42:21 GMT -8
All of these college prima Donnas are in for a rude awakening when college ends and they have to get real jobs. Yeah I'm sure they have no understanding of the "real world". They have spent countless hours dedicating themselves to basketball or whatever, practicing the sport they qualified for a scholarship in. And had to get good grades to be admitted into school. Because they transfered, they're prima donnas who aren't ready for the real world? These are good kids with a great work ethic who are very much ready for the grind of life. If they choose, they will have earned a degree in whatever field they want. Oh and they'll have a little money instead of debt. How horrible. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 1, 2024 15:38:19 GMT -8
There is also varying levels of understanding of the "real world" or the social media version of it, even among the departing 8.
Tv0 made a big deal about publicizing her trips and her eventual USC signing.
RB has a nicely edited video (mostly of OSU highlights) on her X feed proclaiming her joining OU and that "she is home".
Lily announced her visit to Iowa State on X, and teased at a second visit to some school that is green/gold (Notre Dame?) or green/orange.
DP has her former school (DME Academy) announcing her availability, maybe to deal with NIL/student visa issues?
Adlee has nothing, TG has nothing, Martha has nothing, Dono has nothing - maybe they know where they are landing, or don't want to make a splash, or the dealing is still going on.
Among the remainders at OSU, only Yepes has retweeted the new landing announcements of Tv0 and RB. For example, AJ has not retweeted the announcements.
Some interesting dynamics, at the least, or differing approaches to getting clicks.
Go Beavers!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 16:00:33 GMT -8
On the surface, to some it may have came across like hate, it's anything but. Its rational adults processing complex human emotions. Give us all time to process our grief. We all experienced a large scale social trauma. They're no simple way around it. We, all of us were victims of some rapid unexplainable manipulation. They're no rational explanation why? One minute we're celebrating being in the Elite 8, less than 24 hours our joy becomes a living nightmare. The good news is social "Post Traumatic Stress Issues (Anguish/hurtful/Negative)" eventually become "Post Traumatic Growth (Hopeful/Healing/Positive)." The healing will happen.
For me it's not the transfer portal that got to me. It's the way the "Elite 8" team did it. You want to transfer for dollars do it, but don't tell me you love me, prays god, take the money and run.
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Post by 93beav on May 1, 2024 16:24:44 GMT -8
I agree we are not going back. If anything, the gap will continue to widen. It's why the Pac 12 failed, and it's why the ACC schools are desperately trying to escape their media deal, at any cost. The writing is on the wall. The B1G, and the SEC are going to be exponentially richer than the rest of the the schools moving forward. Money=Power.......we've already been left behind, and will try to make our way as all this bulls%#t continues to unravel. Our AD is going to have to make some painful choices. We just aren't going to have the money to fund the AD at a P4 level like Barnes says we are. Where's the money going to come from? A glorified MW football conference is not going to command big media money. I do not buy that the B1G and the SEC are going to be exponentially richer than the rest, unless people allow it to happen. I understand that some schools in those conferences have rabid fanbases that would attend every game and watch every game, but not all. If all of the other schools chose to leave to go somewhere else and form a different type of media deal - maybe one based upon subscriptions vs eyes on tube, they could change the calculus. But it's such a radical shift it probably wouldn't happen. Remove 2/3+ of schools, and those fans will care less and less about what the B1G and SEC do. The other viewpoint is that money, power, etc. are what you make of it. If everyone stopped tying themselves to the ideal of winning the media-generated national football title, it wouldn't really matter. It's just that's a hard psychological break and harder to do as just Oregon State. |
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Post by oldbeav on May 1, 2024 17:00:36 GMT -8
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Post by eorbeav on May 1, 2024 18:01:41 GMT -8
Well s%#t.
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Post by markwbeaver on May 1, 2024 18:09:16 GMT -8
It's so easy to be USC and UCLA. This has been true for the entirety of even the very oldest among us. But the Beavers have survived. The new realities have made it even more difficult to survive against them. Has it finally become impossible?
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Post by nwhoopfan on May 1, 2024 18:15:24 GMT -8
Sigh. I know there are plenty of hard feelings here toward UO and UW for torpedoing last ditch efforts to save the Pac, but it really was the LA schools that led to the downfall of the whole thing. And now they are sitting there picking off most of the best transfers from the former Pac schools. It was always hard to root for LA schools, I could do it sometimes for conference solidarity. Don't think I'm going to extend them that courtesy in the Big 10.
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