osu82
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Post by osu82 on Apr 30, 2024 8:16:24 GMT -8
My take on what has happened is….it all started with Talia and her desire to transfer because Scott’s offense does not fit her goal of playing in the WNBA….not up tempo enough. Plus, playing at USC is all about exposure. Scott’s offense was good enough for Sydney Weise, Marie Goliath and others but not for Talia. IMO…I’m not sure Talia’s skill set is WNBA ready but I don’t fault her for trying. It’s all part of “watering the grass.” Once Talia entered the portal …it all started to snowball. Hard to see TvO making it in the WNBA when Weisner, Pivec, or Gulich couldn’t. And she’s not as good as any of those players. I’m not sure moving to USC changes that much. However, many players graduate and do the “grad transfer” thing for a last year of eligibility so I don’t hold that against her. The other players bailing is harder to account for. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 8:25:35 GMT -8
One of our grad transfers told me that her grad transfer-ship here included but also getting a Masters on scholarship for playing one year. That might me a facto considering TVO is epically media savvy.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 30, 2024 9:05:32 GMT -8
TVO won't play in the WNBA. Book it.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 30, 2024 9:07:05 GMT -8
None of this is either/or.....she can be what you said, and also a driving force of the destruction of the program as we knew it. She made it clear that Beaver Nation should be nothing but happy for the players leaving.....that's called being tone deaf to the situation. Well, I don't know that I'd go that far. TVO put in her years her and got a degree. She already went through one blow up of the team. No one really knows why she went to USC, though I know everyone likes to think it was all about the boyfriend. Again, I don't know TVO personally, but given her public persona, I find that a little hard to believe. Regardless, she showed more investment than most in the team and OSU. And really, unless a majority of the players said it was Scott's system, does it matter? One way or another they are gone. I think TVO, and maybe I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt, wasn't saying be happy for the players leaving as much as hey they brought you a really great season and while it's sad that they are leaving we should be thanking them for the season they gave us and wish them well. I do think there is a lot of frustration being vented towards the players but I think most are just frustrated because they don't know the reasons and probably never will. On the one hand, it's sad to lose someone that helps build the community spirit (whether intentionally or not). On the other hand, rgeorge may actually be right - if this is all about business from here on out, it's just like any other employee leaving. Just need to get used to it and either accept the entertainment for the time/place or decide it's not worth investing $$$ or time. This is why I maintain, ad nauseum, that somehow, at some point in time, a group of colleges/people/what have you need to determine how to extract as much "it's about business" from the whole system and return it to being enjoyment of watching competitive sport. Just because a team may not play for a title made by the media to determine "the best" doesn't really mean anything. I appreciate what you're saying. I really do. At the end of the day these student athletes are more athlete, than student. They are not truly tied to a University more than it's a means to an end.......they are mercenaries looking purely for what is in their best interest....."it's a business." I guess the part of it that's hard for me, is the social media aspect. The lack of substance in what is being pushed out there. The "Americas team" "family" stuff. I guess for me, and I'm assuming much of Beaver Nation, these are not things to be casually thrown around...... especially given our precarious situation with the Pac 12 falling apart. The actions don't match the words....again, this "selfie" generation is very self absorbed. More so than previous generations. What I'm learning is to be jaded when any coach, or athlete says anything about loyalty, family, etc.....its all "coach speak" and means nothing from most of them. There are a few exceptions. My point with TVO is her attitude on the way out, and the fact she was a veteran leader, leads me to believe she had a lot of influence over the other players decisions. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 30, 2024 9:15:18 GMT -8
TVO won't play in the WNBA. Book it. I'm betting she ends up with less minutes at SC! Once the 5* get some experience TV0 will be left in the dust, literally. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 30, 2024 9:17:00 GMT -8
I don't for a second believe Beers would have left OSU if the Pac-12 had stayed together.
Any extra money or whatever just came along once she had already made the decision to leave.
While all eight players no doubt have personal reasons for their decisions to hit the portal, I believe the WCC move is the main reason for almost all of them. Yeah, Adlee and Martha probably want more playing time but it's hard to believe they wouldn't get a better shot as members of whatever roster comes together.
I think TVO probably would have decided to leave anyway because of her bf and the fact that she's a grad transfer.
Maybe Dom decides to stay but it won't be because she's OK with playing in the WCC.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 30, 2024 9:21:48 GMT -8
USC has a much-simpler offensive system.
"Get the ball to JuJu. Get out of the way. When she misses, rebound, and get the ball back to her."
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Post by grayman on Apr 30, 2024 9:28:53 GMT -8
TVO is at her most effective when she's allowed to run the offense in a half-court set but not as the primary ballhandler taking the ball down the court against pressure.
So does USC adjust to allow TVO to run the team in this way? I doubt it. She will be stuck as a tweener, trying to get open for 3s.
TVO lacks the athleticism when it comes to speed and quickness to play as a pure point guard for USC.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 30, 2024 9:31:25 GMT -8
I don't for a second believe Beers would have left OSU if the Pac-12 had stayed together. Any extra money or whatever just came along once she had already made the decision to leave. While all eight players no doubt have personal reasons for their decisions to hit the portal, I believe the WCC move is the main reason for almost all of them. Yeah, Adlee and Martha probably want more playing time but it's hard to believe they wouldn't get a better shot as members of whatever roster comes together. I think TVO probably would have decided to leave anyway because of her bf and the fact that she's a grad transfer. Maybe Dom decides to stay but it won't be because she's OK with playing in the WCC. Beers serves two "gods". Only one is making her decisions. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 30, 2024 9:37:49 GMT -8
My take on what has happened is….it all started with Talia and her desire to transfer because Scott’s offense does not fit her goal of playing in the WNBA….not up tempo enough. Plus, playing at USC is all about exposure. Scott’s offense was good enough for Sydney Weise, Marie Goliath and others but not for Talia. IMO…I’m not sure Talia’s skill set is WNBA ready but I don’t fault her for trying. It’s all part of “watering the grass.” Once Talia entered the portal …it all started to snowball. Hard to see TvO making it in the WNBA when Weisner, Pivec, or Gulich couldn’t. And she’s not as good as any of those players. I’m not sure moving to USC changes that much. However, many players graduate and do the “grad transfer” thing for a last year of eligibility so I don’t hold that against her. The other players bailing is harder to account for. I'd add Slocum to the list of better college players than TVO who didn't stick in the WNBA. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 30, 2024 9:38:34 GMT -8
Well, I don't know that I'd go that far. TVO put in her years her and got a degree. She already went through one blow up of the team. No one really knows why she went to USC, though I know everyone likes to think it was all about the boyfriend. Again, I don't know TVO personally, but given her public persona, I find that a little hard to believe. Regardless, she showed more investment than most in the team and OSU. And really, unless a majority of the players said it was Scott's system, does it matter? One way or another they are gone. I think TVO, and maybe I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt, wasn't saying be happy for the players leaving as much as hey they brought you a really great season and while it's sad that they are leaving we should be thanking them for the season they gave us and wish them well. I do think there is a lot of frustration being vented towards the players but I think most are just frustrated because they don't know the reasons and probably never will. On the one hand, it's sad to lose someone that helps build the community spirit (whether intentionally or not). On the other hand, rgeorge may actually be right - if this is all about business from here on out, it's just like any other employee leaving. Just need to get used to it and either accept the entertainment for the time/place or decide it's not worth investing $$$ or time. This is why I maintain, ad nauseum, that somehow, at some point in time, a group of colleges/people/what have you need to determine how to extract as much "it's about business" from the whole system and return it to being enjoyment of watching competitive sport. Just because a team may not play for a title made by the media to determine "the best" doesn't really mean anything. I appreciate what you're saying. I really do. At the end of the day these student athletes are more athlete, than student. They are not truly tied to a University more than it's a means to an end.......they are mercenaries looking purely for what is in their best interest....."it's a business." I guess the part of it that's hard for me, is the social media aspect. The lack of substance in what is being pushed out there. The "Americas team" "family" stuff. I guess for me, and I'm assuming much of Beaver Nation, these are not things to be casually thrown around...... especially given our precarious situation with the Pac 12 falling apart. The actions don't match the words....again, this "selfie" generation is very self absorbed. More so than previous generations. What I'm learning is to be jaded when any coach, or athlete says anything about loyalty, family, etc.....its all "coach speak" and means nothing from most of them. There are a few exceptions. My point with TVO is her attitude on the way out, and the fact she was a veteran leader, leads me to believe she had a lot of influence over the other players decisions. Oddly enough, I think Rueck might have been the catalyst, though I'm not sure that was his intention. Reason being the way he was talking at the end of the season and the fact that he did interview with other schools. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 30, 2024 9:39:17 GMT -8
Yeah, TVO isn't going to be running the offense at USC. The ball will primarily be in Watkins' hands. Will be interesting to see how much they utilize Iriafen.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 30, 2024 9:40:59 GMT -8
I'm still holding onto the hope that Dom will stay. It's certainly not evidence-based hope!!
Some of you out there seem to have contact with the players....
Any hope for the hopeful concerning Dom?
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 10:08:40 GMT -8
Buddy talked to her, Dom, last week, she didn't know.
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Post by beav74 on Apr 30, 2024 10:30:54 GMT -8
My take on what has happened is….it all started with Talia and her desire to transfer because Scott’s offense does not fit her goal of playing in the WNBA….not up tempo enough. Plus, playing at USC is all about exposure. Scott’s offense was good enough for Sydney Weise, Marie Gulich and others but not for Talia. IMO…I’m not sure Talia’s skill set is WNBA ready but I don’t fault her for trying. It’s all part of “watering the grass.” Once Talia entered the portal …it all started to snowball. My take on what has happened is….it all started with Talia and her desire to transfer because Scott’s offense does not fit her goal of playing in the WNBA….not up tempo enough. Plus, playing at USC is all about exposure. Scott’s offense was good enough for Sydney Weise, Marie Goliath and others but not for Talia. IMO…I’m not sure Talia’s skill set is WNBA ready but I don’t fault her for trying. It’s all part of “watering the grass.” Once Talia entered the portal …it all started to snowball. Hard to see TvO making it in the WNBA when Weisner, Pivec, or Gulich couldn’t. And she’s not as good as any of those players. I’m not sure moving to USC changes that much. However, many players graduate and do the “grad transfer” thing for a last year of eligibility so I don’t hold that against her. The other players bailing is harder to account for. |
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