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Post by 93beav on Apr 11, 2024 13:56:24 GMT -8
There's almost always been a logical reason why starters (or non-starters) have transferred. That's been talked over many times on these boards. I'd have respond with: If it is Rueck that is ' the problem', why would two of his former players (outstanding ones at that) return to work with him? I'm guessing ( I could be wrong) that the rate of loss through the portal experienced by OSU WBB is similar to a common/average level of loss throughout D-1 ranks. Going to the WCC would typically be a strong reason but we've all questioned how logical it is when considering the opportunity this team had if it stayed together. Just because some former players swear by Rueck doesn't mean he's loved by all as a coach and/or person. It could be that his hyper focus on defense isn't something that some players really enjoyed. Maybe they find him to be abrasive. Decisions to transfer can have multiple reasons. Maybe the WCC was the main reason for some or maybe it was the final straw. I am hopeful that OSU and Barnes, like any good organization, would sit down with players as they went and try to gather feedback about why they chose to leave, identify patterns, and then move to fix them. Now, if SR is really part of the problem, it presents an issue. Because he's been successful. He can get you to that elite status. But if he can't maintain the elite teams (although everyone seems to suffer from that to some degree), does it matter? I wish we could all hear about why they chose to leave to see how our organization appears to those on the inside, but that won't happen. So we'll have to hope Barnes has the courage to listen and do what he can, if he can. |
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Post by 93beav on Apr 11, 2024 13:58:46 GMT -8
And as Lily bails, I would add this: When looking at the situation, it's obvious that the players did not like the idea of playing in the WCC. Yet it is a fact that the group was just an Elite Eight team and ranked in the top 10 with everyone eligible to return. They are choosing to break up the team and in doing so, choosing a path away from what on paper should be a chance at a Final Four or better run. That is a choice that is, in a sense, self-defeating from a team membership standpoint. Those who want a similar situation moving forward will have to be picked up by a South Carolina or UConn. To be honest, it's a very heavily weighted choice. That's why, to me, there has to be more to the story here. Maybe Rueck has something to do with it, maybe not. Maybe it's something more along the lines of the players did not feel that Oregon State's administration had their backs with the WCC move or in general. Maybe they felt their voices fell on deaf ears or something like that. Feels more, and more like Rueck is leaving to me. I have a really hard time believing that. He's in the top 20 (13th?) paid coaches nationwide for WBB. He's worked at a small school before. He had to have a say in the WCC choice. And most of all, I'd think he'd announce his resignation before the girls so it would all make more sense. If that were the case, we'd probably see the assistant coaches announce a move. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 13:59:01 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure Dawn Staley and Geno Auriemma also are very focused on defense in their coaching styles. While Geno has seen plenty of players leave his program over the years, it's almost never the stars of the team. And plenty still lining up to play for him. And Dawn is pretty much the It coach right now who almost everybody wants to play for. She's had an exceptional retention rate as well. They do. Their offenses are also better. UConn averaged about nine points more a game than OSU. SC 15 more a game. |
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Post by sweetpea on Apr 11, 2024 14:05:40 GMT -8
Other PAC-12 teams not going to WCC are losing players too. It’s hard to keep up with them.
Arizona State -6
Colorado -6
Oregon -5
And it just keeps changing.
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 14:06:56 GMT -8
Other PAC-12 teams not going to WCC are losing players too. It’s hard to keep up with them. Arizona State -6 Colorado -6 Oregon -5 And it just keeps changing. Apples to oranges. ASU and Oregon were bad. Colorado is not losing any key players of the six. |
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Post by escott58 on Apr 11, 2024 14:07:36 GMT -8
Who is staying? Looking forward to supporting them.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 11, 2024 14:09:50 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure Dawn Staley and Geno Auriemma also are very focused on defense in their coaching styles. While Geno has seen plenty of players leave his program over the years, it's almost never the stars of the team. And plenty still lining up to play for him. And Dawn is pretty much the It coach right now who almost everybody wants to play for. She's had an exceptional retention rate as well. They do. Their offenses are also better. UConn averaged about nine points more a game than OSU. SC 15 more a game. Hard to score a lot of points with guards who struggled to make shots. UConn and South Carolina's guards are all five-stars and McDonald's All-Americans. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 11, 2024 14:11:23 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure Dawn Staley and Geno Auriemma also are very focused on defense in their coaching styles. While Geno has seen plenty of players leave his program over the years, it's almost never the stars of the team. And plenty still lining up to play for him. And Dawn is pretty much the It coach right now who almost everybody wants to play for. She's had an exceptional retention rate as well. They do. Their offenses are also better. UConn averaged about nine points more a game than OSU. SC 15 more a game. I would argue with South Carolina, it's not so much good offense as they just grab so damn many O boards. Their 3 point shooting was much more dangerous this year than Dawn's teams typically have been. But they've never had too much trouble scoring, and that traditionally has been mostly because of turnovers/fast breaks and O boards/put backs. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 14:12:21 GMT -8
Who is staying? Looking forward to supporting them. They can build a decent team around Beers IF she stays. Dom would be big as well. Otherwise, lots of new faces. |
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Post by 02beav on Apr 11, 2024 14:15:09 GMT -8
Who is staying? Looking forward to supporting them. They can build a decent team around Beers IF she stays. Dom would be big as well. Otherwise, lots of new faces. No chance beers stays unfortunately. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 11, 2024 14:15:59 GMT -8
Changing “ built not bought “ to “ bought what was built”. Gordon Gekko said it best when asked why he had wrecked a company “ because it was wreckable”
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 14:20:40 GMT -8
They do. Their offenses are also better. UConn averaged about nine points more a game than OSU. SC 15 more a game. Hard to score a lot of points with guards who struggled to make shots. UConn and South Carolina's guards are all five-stars and McDonald's All-Americans. TVO was ranked No. 25 nationally in her class. Hunter was a four star and is now going to be highly sought after as a PG. Not sure she was a problem on offense when she did shoot. SR chose to play Marotte as much as he did (although he did cut it down later in the season). He chose not to play Adlee all that much. Lily is a 3-point shooter and she did very well in that role. Maybe not having much of a game plan to speak of (or at least an inability to get the players to execute one) other than pounding the ball inside to Beers was a problem. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 14:26:33 GMT -8
Changing “ built not bought “ to “ bought what was built”. Gordon Gekko said it best when asked why he had wrecked a company “ because it was wreckable” Except that nobody is getting bought. TVO said NIL did not factor into her decision. Timea probably will get a good NIL deal somewhere. It might not even be better than what she had at OSU, though. Adlee, Lily and Martha are unlikely to get better than average NIL deals. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Apr 11, 2024 14:29:30 GMT -8
They can build a decent team around Beers IF she stays. Dom would be big as well. Otherwise, lots of new faces. No chance beers stays unfortunately. 02 what in the heck happened? How did this all fall apart so quickly? It can't JUST be the WCC thing can it? |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 11, 2024 14:34:47 GMT -8
In the last 36 hours or so it may just be momentum. When these women are 70 years old and think back on mistakes, maybe only one wouldn't think of this week. But because of the current energy, they are not looking at more than the next 12 months. And some not even that.
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