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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 11:32:25 GMT -8
Well, not much more to hope for except Beers at this point. And my hope is fading fast. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 11:33:21 GMT -8
So, ag, this brings up a good point, does Rueck have anything to do with what's going on? Before I go any further, I am a HUGE SR fan so please understand I'm not trying to start any rumors. It's just that history might suggest something here. What I'm speaking to is the pattern of starters transferring out, starting with Destiny, then Jones and Brown, and now our whole starting 5 (seems like!). I understand this year has some additional components to it that invite them to transfer out (WCC) but like we've all talked about a million times already, this team would of walked through the WCC schedule and would of likely been AT LEAST a 2 seed, if not a 1. Even the next year, same scenario. Is there something about SR that is turning players away after they get a 2 year dose of him? This is my question. I think this is a very legitimate question at this point. |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 11, 2024 11:33:37 GMT -8
So, ag, this brings up a good point, does Rueck have anything to do with what's going on? Before I go any further, I am a HUGE SR fan so please understand I'm not trying to start any rumors. It's just that history might suggest something here. What I'm speaking to is the pattern of starters transferring out, starting with Destiny, then Jones and Brown, and now our whole starting 5 (seems like!). I understand this year has some additional components to it that invite them to transfer out (WCC) but like we've all talked about a million times already, this team would of walked through the WCC schedule and would of likely been AT LEAST a 2 seed, if not a 1. Even the next year, same scenario. Is there something about SR that is turning players away after they get a 2 year dose of him? This is my question. There's almost always been a logical reason why starters (or non-starters) have transferred. That's been talked over many times on these boards. I'd have respond with: If it is Rueck that is ' the problem', why would two of his former players (outstanding ones at that) return to work with him? I'm guessing ( I could be wrong) that the rate of loss through the portal experienced by OSU WBB is similar to a common/average level of loss throughout D-1 ranks. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 11, 2024 11:35:04 GMT -8
The price for being demoted to a lesser league. Still sucks big time. If the "family" had stayed together likely back to the elite 8 or higher. But after the divorce and all "family" members go their separate ways few, if any, get back to the elite 8. Weird decisions.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 11, 2024 11:37:34 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 11, 2024 11:38:31 GMT -8
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Post by jones on Apr 11, 2024 11:38:48 GMT -8
Totally get Martha and Adlee's decision to enter the portal. Playing time. They will be missed. I really don't get it. Being in a new (weaker) conference offers ample opportunities for PT. Just sayin' |
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Post by lotrader on Apr 11, 2024 11:40:56 GMT -8
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 11, 2024 11:44:32 GMT -8
The price for being demoted to a lesser league. Still sucks big time. If the "family" had stayed together likely back to the elite 8 or higher. But after the divorce and all "family" members go their separate ways few, if any, get back to the elite 8. Weird decisions. What are the odds that: Gardiner, Hunter, Beers, etc. would have seriously considered a WCC University out of High School ? Going to the WCC totally re-started the recruitment (and in this case the retention) process. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 11:46:39 GMT -8
So, ag, this brings up a good point, does Rueck have anything to do with what's going on? Before I go any further, I am a HUGE SR fan so please understand I'm not trying to start any rumors. It's just that history might suggest something here. What I'm speaking to is the pattern of starters transferring out, starting with Destiny, then Jones and Brown, and now our whole starting 5 (seems like!). I understand this year has some additional components to it that invite them to transfer out (WCC) but like we've all talked about a million times already, this team would of walked through the WCC schedule and would of likely been AT LEAST a 2 seed, if not a 1. Even the next year, same scenario. Is there something about SR that is turning players away after they get a 2 year dose of him? This is my question. There's almost always been a logical reason why starters (or non-starters) have transferred. That's been talked over many times on these boards. I'd have respond with: If it is Rueck that is ' the problem', why would two of his former players (outstanding ones at that) return to work with him? I'm guessing ( I could be wrong) that the rate of loss through the portal experienced by OSU WBB is similar to a common/average level of loss throughout D-1 ranks. Going to the WCC would typically be a strong reason but we've all questioned how logical it is when considering the opportunity this team had if it stayed together. Just because some former players swear by Rueck doesn't mean he's loved by all as a coach and/or person. It could be that his hyper focus on defense isn't something that some players really enjoyed. Maybe they find him to be abrasive. Decisions to transfer can have multiple reasons. Maybe the WCC was the main reason for some or maybe it was the final straw. |
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 11, 2024 11:47:06 GMT -8
In case, I haven’t made myself clear in previous posts, I’ll restate my position here on the transfers:
They’re dead to me for the damage they’re doing to the program and the BS family propaganda they spouted.
I don’t wish them “the best.” I don’t want them to “go be great.” I want them to fail miserably wherever they go and hope they rue the day they decided to put themselves above the greater good of the program, the school, and the fans.
I know they don’t give a crap what I think but it feels good to vent.
Thanks for listening to my TED Talk.
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Post by sparty on Apr 11, 2024 11:54:02 GMT -8
In case, I haven’t made myself clear in previous posts, I’ll restate my position here on the transfers: They’re dead to me for the damage they’re doing to the program and the BS family propaganda they spouted. I don’t wish them “the best.” I don’t want them to “go be great.” I want them to fail miserably wherever they go and hope they rue the day they decided to put themselves above the greater good of the program, the school, and the fans. I know they don’t give a crap what I think but it feels good to vent. Thanks for listening to my TED Talk. Perfectly fine to vent. Last thing you want is for players that don't want to be here to stay. |
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Post by ftd on Apr 11, 2024 11:54:54 GMT -8
There's almost always been a logical reason why starters (or non-starters) have transferred. That's been talked over many times on these boards. I'd have respond with: If it is Rueck that is ' the problem', why would two of his former players (outstanding ones at that) return to work with him? I'm guessing ( I could be wrong) that the rate of loss through the portal experienced by OSU WBB is similar to a common/average level of loss throughout D-1 ranks. Going to the WCC would typically be a strong reason but we've all questioned how logical it is when considering the opportunity this team had if it stayed together. Just because some former players swear by Rueck doesn't mean he's loved by all as a coach and/or person. It could be that his hyper focus on defense isn't something that some players really enjoyed. Maybe they find him to be abrasive. Decisions to transfer can have multiple reasons. Maybe the WCC was the main reason for some or maybe it was the final straw. regarding the focus on defense. If a player didn't know that was SR's approach they didn't pay attention when being recruited. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 12:12:47 GMT -8
Going to the WCC would typically be a strong reason but we've all questioned how logical it is when considering the opportunity this team had if it stayed together. Just because some former players swear by Rueck doesn't mean he's loved by all as a coach and/or person. It could be that his hyper focus on defense isn't something that some players really enjoyed. Maybe they find him to be abrasive. Decisions to transfer can have multiple reasons. Maybe the WCC was the main reason for some or maybe it was the final straw. regarding the focus on defense. If a player didn't know that was SR's approach they didn't pay attention when being recruited. So you've never signed up for something or joined an activity or group, whatever, thinking that it would be fun and coming in with your own idea of what it would be like only to discover you didn't like it or it just wasn't what you thought it would be? High school players don't have a full grasp of what they are signing up for as far as joining a college program until they experience it. It works out just fine in many cases but it doesn't in many cases as well. |
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 11, 2024 12:30:04 GMT -8
I keep thinking about Rueck's rant at the end of the season about how the university has been repeatedly sh*t-on by the media as being second-rate.
I thought it was out of character for him to be so angry at the close of a beautiful season. Looking back, it seems he already knew things were going to get ugly, because he likely knew that propaganda had already taken effect and the vultures had been swirling all season and gotten their claws into players, these vultures leveraging the garbage the media had been spewing. WSU is also getting stripped like a Cadillac parked in the shady part of town.
I'm most concerned about Rueck. Indeed he loves OSU, but he also loves competing at the highest level. That postgame interview was likely a glimpse of his broader mental state around staying at OSU. No question he's in a very tough spot. This rebuilding job will be tougher than the original.
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