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Post by rgeorge on Apr 2, 2024 21:50:45 GMT -8
OK, but why? Why break up an Elite Eight team just because you have to play in the WCC? Unless they all are getting big payouts to leave, It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I get that TVO might want to play for USC but beyond that...
Put yourself in the shoes of a college basketball player. Especially players at this level who have been the best player on every team they played on until they got to college. Then when they get there they only have 4 years to get the experience they desire. Spending one single year not playing enough, or not playing to your strengths, or playing with players you don't like is too many. The only power they have to control their situation is to transfer. Wait... this team had a great year. But, young or not they are not guaranteed squat next year, WCC or not. Some who choose to go to a more "elite" situation are going to find they might actually have competition for PT. Some here tend to exaggerate how good some of our players really are. To be honest, who really pushed them for PT? Certainly no one in the front court. As good as Dom was, if you saw enough tourney hoops there were many true frosh guards that were outstanding. But, who really could take her playing time on this roster? To take the next step talented depth is needed. Players to truly oush the others... very better or you'll be sitting. The WCC isn't strong, but winning it will still get this team a great seed in the Tourney. In afraid like most portal players some are going to find the new home isn't all that great! Think about all the transfers. Think how many you actually hear about excelling? How many portal again? And, again? Youngsters will be youngsters. But, TVO really comes across in a negative fashion from what she was spouting for over a year until just recently then adds something like, "... I left it better than I found it..." Really girl? WBB was on very solid footing before you ever sniffed the court at Gill. Covid hit, the portal began, etc... but TVO you leave on a "high", yet also leave with a losing Pac12 record. And, well... I'll leave it there. Her comments were first of a hypocrite then one of an inflated ego... pissed me off as I held her in high regard. Pissed or disappointed? Not sure...
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 2, 2024 21:58:31 GMT -8
Team? Posting before reading the rest of the thread... had to see Dune Part 2 finally. First... what team does she think she can transfer to that... - she'll have an such an integral role; - the team will be as good; - that school, team, coach chemistry is known and as developed; Second, she's just not a "national brand" big time NIL player. The large NIL deals are corporate not school affiliated organizations. She's not Dunne, Clark, Reese, Bueckers, etc. But, good luck. As I've stated before, as a fan I root for OSU players, the ones (recruits, current players) that want to be here. I really don't care what transfers out do or the why. I don't wish them ill, and don't like them disparaged... but don't give them a second thought. She posted that NIL had zero factor in her decision As stated... posted before reading entire thread, but also was editing/adding to my NIL thoughts as you quoted. 😒
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 2, 2024 22:04:40 GMT -8
Look in the mirror. You're the one casually and ignorantly accusing OSU leadership of not aggressively pursuing membership in P5 (P4?) conferences. They're on record as having done so. Not going to apologize for the factual pushback Thanks for the feedback. However, I don’t think lack of information is ignorance. If you have the facts then share what yoy know. I would be interested! Dude/Dudette... you've been on this board since 2020. They're had maybe been 100+ pages on Pac12/Pac2 issues, court cases, opinions, and any other BS imaginable. Do you read... here, the web? Listen/watch TV/radio? Or just come on for posts #136-138 to make ignorant & ridiculous blame game statements?
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 2, 2024 22:07:02 GMT -8
So when Talia and maybe others leave do we get to badmouth them as some have badmouthed others that have transferred? I already sorta did! 😳 Just didn't like the "how", don't really care about the what. And, her last defensive tweet was just what I'd expect. Just stay off social media girl...
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 2, 2024 22:09:22 GMT -8
FWIW, Daschel says more transfers to come. Don't know if he actually has any sources on this or is just throwing it out there. But it sounds bad. Daschel has strong ties to Scott and his family. Daschel does not just throw rumors out there and is fairly measured on things but it is bad as he says, then it is bad. I'm only quoting you as yours is the last to mention ND. So, "more to come". Couldn't it just mean more to the story? More info will be released by OSU wbb? Doesn't necessarily mean more transfers??
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Post by jimbob on Apr 2, 2024 22:17:00 GMT -8
Her boyfriend is transferring to USC, one of the players Bray said was bought by the Trojans. She'll end up there, caddying for Watkins. She played her four, got her degree. Good on her. I agree Henry---It is very simple: She just stated that "NIL has played ZERO (!!!!!) factor in this decision. it is deeply personal". She is a girl and her boyfriend is transferring to USC---She will follow---and it just so happens that USC will be one of the top teams in the country next year so she will get another chance to get to the Final 4. My wife and I raised 2 girls and starting when they were about age 6 or 7 we took them to almost every home OS women's basketball game for the next 10-12 years and they became die-hard OS fans, but when it came time to pick a college none of that mattered---the only thing that mattered was which college is boyfriend going to and both girls followed their boyfriends to college---one to hated UO of all places!
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Post by jimbob on Apr 2, 2024 22:41:42 GMT -8
Daschel has strong ties to Scott and his family. Daschel does not just throw rumors out there and is fairly measured on things but it is bad as he says, then it is bad. I'm only quoting you as yours is the last to mention ND. So, "more to come". Couldn't it just mean more to the story? More info will be released by OSU wbb? Doesn't necessarily mean more transfers?? Yes it could mean that, but I and most others took it to mean that there will be more transfers out and unfortunately most likely RB and TG. What I'd really like to see would be for RB to step up here and come out with a tweet along the lines of TVO's loyalty tweet a couple of years ago when things looked bleak after Taya, Taylor, and Kennedy opted for the portal. That might hold the rest of the team together but chances of this happening are very low IMO.
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Post by 93beav on Apr 3, 2024 6:47:48 GMT -8
Her boyfriend is transferring to USC, one of the players Bray said was bought by the Trojans. She'll end up there, caddying for Watkins. She played her four, got her degree. Good on her. I agree Henry---It is very simple: She just stated that "NIL has played ZERO (!!!!!) factor in this decision. it is deeply personal". She is a girl and her boyfriend is transferring to USC---She will follow---and it just so happens that USC will be one of the top teams in the country next year so she will get another chance to get to the Final 4. My wife and I raised 2 girls and starting when they were about age 6 or 7 we took them to almost every home OS women's basketball game for the next 10-12 years and they became die-hard OS fans, but when it came time to pick a college none of that mattered---the only thing that mattered was which college is boyfriend going to and both girls followed their boyfriends to college---one to hated UO of all places! Wow...that's...kind of an odd take that one would simply ascribe it to her being a girl and wanting to follow a boy. I mean, maybe. But I don't see that from a lot of modern girls/women (speaking as the father of daughters myself) and certainly wouldn't expect that to be the sole reason for TVO as a leader ... unless they were getting married or something. It's only one year. There are so many reasons that could be personal: - A family member is sick and she wants to be closer to them. - One / all of the coaches are leaving. - One / many of the other players, who she considers like family, are leaving. - She just wants to experience a different environment to see if she can grow in some way - maybe it's an opportunity to grad coach after a bit. There's just so many possible reasons. But the important thing is it's personal, not public. So we can speculate all day but ultimately we'll (probably) never know.
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Post by lotrader on Apr 3, 2024 7:26:44 GMT -8
I don't think it would be a stretch to see all the reasons TvO would land at USC Trojans:
1. Boyfriend 2. USC Graduate Degree 3. Playing in the BIG10 and being on broadcast TV all next year playing with JuJu Watkins 4. Coach Gotlieb is well connected in Women's basketball and would be a great reference for a career in basketball (player, coach, etc.) 5. USC lost 3 starters who were all 1-year graduate transfers. Gotlieb saw TvO play some of her best basketball vs USC. Gotlieb could plug TvO into the starting line-up as her PG/wing 6. Fill in the rest of the reasons why USC could make a lot of sense
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 3, 2024 7:30:23 GMT -8
"given the circumstances" what's that sposed to mean? Is she saying playing at OSU is no longer good enough for her? We don't have her grad program? What other "circumstances" could it be? just spit balling here..but how about going from a P5 conference to the WCC? Ok, then see ya! Daschel is reporting "more to follow". I thought the culture was going to be strong enough to withstand this. If TVO is using the success the program had as self promotion, I guess anyone will......I thought she was 100% a Beaver. It's disappointing to say the least. My daughter was going to get TVO merch.....she was her favorite player. I haven't asked her if she still wants to get the merch.....I'm pretty sure she won't.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 3, 2024 7:38:15 GMT -8
I love how these students athletes pretend to be all in, but when the chips are down, and we need everything we have, they bail for self interest.....how bout save the emotional exit social media post.......really glad that she threw in the "current circumstances" line in her speech though.....is that supposed to make us go "oh, yea, well of course, the great TVO can't toil away on a healthy program going to the WCC. She deserves better than us. We suck. Thanks for shining up the turd we are for a bit!"
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Post by sweetpea on Apr 3, 2024 8:08:05 GMT -8
Here’s a wild one: SR is leaving and taking the best of the team with him? Loyalty to a coach vs loyalty to a school. Nahh. Who but teams that have huge booster $$$ and organizations could entice him.
Speculations are rampant and clueless. But fun.
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Post by ftd on Apr 3, 2024 8:14:22 GMT -8
just spit balling here..but how about going from a P5 conference to the WCC? Ok, then see ya! Daschel is reporting "more to follow". I thought the culture was going to be strong enough to withstand this. If TVO is using the success the program had as self promotion, I guess anyone will......I thought she was 100% a Beaver. It's disappointing to say the least. My daughter was going to get TVO merch.....she was her favorite player. I haven't asked her if she still wants to get the merch.....I'm pretty sure she won't. Check Corvallis Goodwill Store
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Post by markwbeaver on Apr 3, 2024 8:16:02 GMT -8
There's nothing fun about this one.
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Post by lotrader on Apr 3, 2024 8:24:27 GMT -8
Here’s a wild one: SR is leaving and taking the best of the team with him? Loyalty to a coach vs loyalty to a school. Nahh. Who but teams that have huge booster $$$ and organizations could entice him. Speculations are rampant and clueless. But fun. We never thought it could happen with Jonathan Smith....
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