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Post by irimi on Apr 7, 2024 19:00:11 GMT -8
That not good team is putting the hurt on Utah. In Provo. 12-2. Why would they be playing Utah on BYU’s field? Glad we won in Eugene today. Utah is not a good team either. Bad loss for us. I give up. You’re always right and when you’re wrong you won’t even admit it. What a bore! And predictable. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 7, 2024 19:38:24 GMT -8
That not good team is putting the hurt on Utah. In Provo. 12-2. Why would they be playing Utah on BYU’s field? Glad we won in Eugene today. Utah is not a good team either. Bad loss for us. Salt Lake City, not Provo. Utah has the second-best RPI in the Pac-12, and CSUN has the third-best RBI in the Big West. Both teams are better than the mediocre Stanford, which is coming to Corvallis next weekend. And the Cardinal have finished in the top third of the Pac-12 every year for the past eight seasons. You want a bad team? Try Nevada. Oregon State is currently-slated to play two in Reno in nine days. Hopefully, they both rain out. The low is 27 tonight. The low is supposed to climb up to 35 in nine days. High of 58. |
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Post by messi on Apr 7, 2024 20:51:11 GMT -8
Why would they be playing Utah on BYU’s field? Glad we won in Eugene today. Utah is not a good team either. Bad loss for us. Salt Lake City, not Provo. Utah has the second-best RPI in the Pac-12, and CSUN has the third-best RBI in the Big West. Both teams are better than the mediocre Stanford, which is coming to Corvallis next weekend. And the Cardinal have finished in the top third of the Pac-12 every year for the past eight seasons. You want a bad team? Try Nevada. Oregon State is currently-slated to play two in Reno in nine days. Hopefully, they both rain out. The low is 27 tonight. The low is supposed to climb up to 35 in nine days. High of 58. So who should OSU be scheduling for the mid-weeks? Rather, how is OSU's quality of mid-week competition compare to the rest of the Pac-12 or the SEC for that matter? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 7, 2024 21:08:46 GMT -8
Salt Lake City, not Provo. Utah has the second-best RPI in the Pac-12, and CSUN has the third-best RBI in the Big West. Both teams are better than the mediocre Stanford, which is coming to Corvallis next weekend. And the Cardinal have finished in the top third of the Pac-12 every year for the past eight seasons. You want a bad team? Try Nevada. Oregon State is currently-slated to play two in Reno in nine days. Hopefully, they both rain out. The low is 27 tonight. The low is supposed to climb up to 35 in nine days. High of 58. So who should OSU be scheduling for the mid-weeks? Rather, how is OSU's quality of mid-week competition compare to the rest of the Pac-12 or the SEC for that matter? This moved in a weird direction. Nevada is bad this year. SEC teams might have Nevada-level competition on the schedule, but those games almost always "rain out." The SEC avoids bad teams like the plague in April and May. The SEC knows how to game RPI in a way that Oregon State fails to utilize. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 7, 2024 21:37:05 GMT -8
Salt Lake City, not Provo. Utah has the second-best RPI in the Pac-12, and CSUN has the third-best RBI in the Big West. Both teams are better than the mediocre Stanford, which is coming to Corvallis next weekend. And the Cardinal have finished in the top third of the Pac-12 every year for the past eight seasons. You want a bad team? Try Nevada. Oregon State is currently-slated to play two in Reno in nine days. Hopefully, they both rain out. The low is 27 tonight. The low is supposed to climb up to 35 in nine days. High of 58. So who should OSU be scheduling for the mid-weeks? Rather, how is OSU's quality of mid-week competition compare to the rest of the Pac-12 or the SEC for that matter? It's fine. There's always luck involved in how good competition is year to year. Just don't lose those games and you will stay comparable to other top teams. Everyone plays some crap teams. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 7, 2024 21:38:38 GMT -8
So who should OSU be scheduling for the mid-weeks? Rather, how is OSU's quality of mid-week competition compare to the rest of the Pac-12 or the SEC for that matter? This moved in a weird direction. Nevada is bad this year. SEC teams might have Nevada-level competition on the schedule, but those games almost always "rain out." The SEC avoids bad teams like the plague in April and May. The SEC knows how to game RPI in a way that Oregon State fails to utilize. The biggest way they game it is refusing to travel except in conference. They use home field advantage to boost their OOC record like crazy and consolidate losses to in conference. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 7, 2024 23:49:49 GMT -8
RPI isn't "gamed" by playing home games unless you're playing top 50 RPI teams (Q1 or Q2)!
Teams can't read the tea leaves on how good a team will be when scheduling them. BUT... when you schedule teams that are weak sisters on a regular basis...
OSU has what appears to be a great record, but...
- how legit tourney teams have they played? Won?
At the last look OSU had the 2nd fewest Q1+Q2 games/wins of any top 20 RPI team... 5-4. Irvine is 3-1.
OSU has the 3rd worst SOS of any of the top 20, 61... Dallas Baptist at 66, Irvine 82.
The NC SOS is 10th in the top 20 only because of the invite to Texas.
And, now the Pac12 is a 6th rated conference RPI wise. So not much help coming there with 18 games vs...
Zona 45
Oregon 54
Cal 103
WSU 136
Stanford147
Ucla 153
Nonconference left...
Oregon 54
Portland 61 (x2)
Gonzaga 167
Nevada 193 (x2)
So, no matter the record entering the Pac12 tourney, OSU will not be tourney tested. Hence, improvements need to be made vs inferior competition... mental lapses, physical miscues, consistency on the bump and at the plate.
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Apr 8, 2024 0:01:44 GMT -8
That not good team is putting the hurt on Utah. In Provo. 12-2. Why would they be playing Utah on BYU’s field? Glad we won in Eugene today. Utah is not a good team either. Bad loss for us. Utah at this point is on track to make a regional. Top 40 RPI team nationally (#2 RPI team in the PAC12). Not saying they will end up being that but they have been playing really good baseball. Bad take. |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Apr 8, 2024 0:08:55 GMT -8
So who should OSU be scheduling for the mid-weeks? Rather, how is OSU's quality of mid-week competition compare to the rest of the Pac-12 or the SEC for that matter? This moved in a weird direction. Nevada is bad this year. SEC teams might have Nevada-level competition on the schedule, but those games almost always "rain out." The SEC avoids bad teams like the plague in April and May. The SEC knows how to game RPI in a way that Oregon State fails to utilize. Agree with everything said here. SEC will purposely drop midweeks to stave off bad RPI. I will say that the one good thing that the west coast will gain out of schools moving to the B1G, ACC, and BIG 12 is better SOS and RPI. You will have schools like UCI and UCSB be on the same playing field as schools like Campbell and ECU who have easy drives to multiple power 5 schools. We will probably see more west coast schools in regionals than ever before. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 8, 2024 5:21:00 GMT -8
RPI isn't "gamed" by playing home games unless you're playing top 50 RPI teams (Q1 or Q2)! Teams can't read the tea leaves on how good a team will be when scheduling them. BUT... when you schedule teams that are weak sisters on a regular basis... OSU has what appears to be a great record, but... - how legit tourney teams have they played? Won? At the last look OSU had the 2nd fewest Q1+Q2 games/wins of any top 20 RPI team... 5-4. Irvine is 3-1. OSU has the 3rd worst SOS of any of the top 20, 61... Dallas Baptist at 66, Irvine 82. The NC SOS is 10th in the top 20 only because of the invite to Texas. And, now the Pac12 is a 6th rated conference RPI wise. So not much help coming there with 18 games vs... Zona 45 Oregon 54 Cal 103 WSU 136 Stanford147 Ucla 153 Nonconference left... Oregon 54 Portland 61 (x2) Gonzaga 167 Nevada 193 (x2) So, no matter the record entering the Pac12 tourney, OSU will not be tourney tested. Hence, improvements need to be made vs inferior competition... mental lapses, physical miscues, consistency on the bump and at the plate. Do we have to do this every year? Yes it can be gamed that way COLLECTIVELY. An individual team can't do it. If 16 teams all keep their RPI higher by not losing non conference games then keep all loses confined to their conference it conflates their RPI. 25% D1 record (high), 50% opponent D1 (high). 25% opponents opponents (push). SEC has done it for a decade, go look at the data and it's not hard to see that they go into conference play with very high RPI and they stay high even with terrible records because everything is a quality loss. The 0.7 home penalty isn't enough to counter if a group of opponents work together to inflate the 50% component. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 8, 2024 8:18:37 GMT -8
RPI isn't "gamed" by playing home games unless you're playing top 50 RPI teams (Q1 or Q2)! Teams can't read the tea leaves on how good a team will be when scheduling them. BUT... when you schedule teams that are weak sisters on a regular basis... OSU has what appears to be a great record, but... - how legit tourney teams have they played? Won? At the last look OSU had the 2nd fewest Q1+Q2 games/wins of any top 20 RPI team... 5-4. Irvine is 3-1. OSU has the 3rd worst SOS of any of the top 20, 61... Dallas Baptist at 66, Irvine 82. The NC SOS is 10th in the top 20 only because of the invite to Texas. And, now the Pac12 is a 6th rated conference RPI wise. So not much help coming there with 18 games vs... Zona 45 Oregon 54 Cal 103 WSU 136 Stanford147 Ucla 153 Nonconference left... Oregon 54 Portland 61 (x2) Gonzaga 167 Nevada 193 (x2) So, no matter the record entering the Pac12 tourney, OSU will not be tourney tested. Hence, improvements need to be made vs inferior competition... mental lapses, physical miscues, consistency on the bump and at the plate. Do we have to do this every year? Yes it can be gamed that way COLLECTIVELY. An individual team can't do it. If 16 teams all keep their RPI higher by not losing non conference games then keep all loses confined to their conference it conflates their RPI. 25% D1 record (high), 50% opponent D1 (high). 25% opponents opponents (push). SEC has done it for a decade, go look at the data and it's not hard to see that they go into conference play with very high RPI and they stay high even with terrible records because everything is a quality loss. The 0.7 home penalty isn't enough to counter if a group of opponents work together to inflate the 50% component. "Eveery year"?? Yep, I guess if you mean this is like the nonsensical LOB argument! If your opponents are weak and their opponents are weak you aren't gaming the system. 75% of the meaningless RPI is NOT what "your" team does. It's what the opponents and their opponents do. So unless a team can not only make a schedule, then predict each opponents future RPI... AND also then know each opponent's schedule and predict each of their RPIs. FFS... Lol SEC RPI is based on their initial overall rankings and playing more Q1+Q2 games. Look at the data. Then figure out that a if your "theory" is correct OSU must be just clueless. So if "gaming" means you play better opponents overall, and can do so because you don't have to spend 2 weeks away from home due to weather. But, true "gaming" of a team's RPI does happen... when an opponent turns out far worse than previous years and a team will cancel games. It's been an issue (among many) coacheshave asked the NCAA to consider in revamping their heavy emphasison RPI. SEC has been consistently the best overall conference... period. That benefit gets them much more pub and leeway in rankings. Fair or unfair as a conference, but they have that reputation and it isn't going away. You play who you schedule. You need to win in the post season no matter your seed. The rest is made up conspiracy excuses. BTW... there is a great research paper from a kid at Samford on biggest influence(s) on gaming/gaining RPI jumps. Combo of bunt%, SB%, HR/g... teams that have the best rates that rise above the D1 averages make huge jumps. If you want to "game" RPI you create a well rounded team that consistently puts pressure on opponents. And, schedule better! |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 8, 2024 10:59:10 GMT -8
Do we have to do this every year? Yes it can be gamed that way COLLECTIVELY. An individual team can't do it. If 16 teams all keep their RPI higher by not losing non conference games then keep all loses confined to their conference it conflates their RPI. 25% D1 record (high), 50% opponent D1 (high). 25% opponents opponents (push). SEC has done it for a decade, go look at the data and it's not hard to see that they go into conference play with very high RPI and they stay high even with terrible records because everything is a quality loss. The 0.7 home penalty isn't enough to counter if a group of opponents work together to inflate the 50% component. "Eveery year"?? Yep, I guess if you mean this is like the nonsensical LOB argument! If your opponents are weak and their opponents are weak you aren't gaming the system. 75% of the meaningless RPI is NOT what "your" team does. It's what the opponents and their opponents do. So unless a team can not only make a schedule, then predict each opponents future RPI... AND also then know each opponent's schedule and predict each of their RPIs. FFS... Lol SEC RPI is based on their initial overall rankings and playing more Q1+Q2 games. Look at the data. Then figure out that a if your "theory" is correct OSU must be just clueless. So if "gaming" means you play better opponents overall, and can do so because you don't have to spend 2 weeks away from home due to weather... No s%#t George it's right there in the calc. Read gooder man. If all your conference opponents have great out of conference records then 50% of your RPI will be good. The SEC murders OOC because they almost exclusively play neutral site tourneys or at home. This means they take no penalty or leverage home field for wins. If every team does that it boosts your RPI as you play conference because everyone looks good. They also schedule many of the same OOC which boosts that schools RPI a great deal even if they are getting wrecked. |
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