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Post by beaver55to7 on Mar 27, 2024 5:05:54 GMT -8
It's a self fulfilling prophecy... since the committee used it (no longer will it be as big of factor) heavily to select 33 at large teams. And the 31 auto berths are conference champs so likely to have better RPI. Generally the top 52-56 in RPI are strongly considered regardless of other factors. Hence, the heavy SEC/ACC bias in the field. Again it's not predictive when it's used to pick the teams. So in the last 3 seasons (what other were worse?) RPI wasn't accurate 37% of the time? Why? Because RPI calculation is based on how opponents do. So, inherently stronger conferences have a huge RPI advantage. It doesn't make it an accurate data set and is why other sports moved away from it. And, college baseball has begun to also beginning this season... www.baseballamerica.com/stories/college-baseball-tweaked-the-ncaa-tournament-selection-process-but-will-it-change-anything/ Proponents of RPI will say it indicates the strength of teams. I'm not proclaiming RPI as good or bad. Hard to argue that it is meaningless if one of your points is that it is a self fulfilling prophecy. Not to state the obvious, but to get to Omaha a team has to win a tournament and then a series. A 63% success in predicting the eight teams that will accomplish that feat seems to be a pretty good number. The statistical odds based on the format without measuring a teams strength would be 12.5% to get to Omaha. The most surprising data point to me is that teams outside the top 16 went to Omaha at a 2% rate. One of those, Stanford had an RPI of 17. Virginia came in as a 27 and Oral Roberts at 47. Very hard to beat top 20 teams on the road in a series, and that is what you have to do to get to Omaha. If a top 8 seed doesn't win it's regional, you are still probably traveling to a top 16 site for the super. The playoff system itself skews all the data, so whatever system you use to rank teams will end up with top ranked teams in that ranking system getting to Omaha at a high rate. This will be the same result in the new CFP, higher ranked teams will host, higher ranked teams will mostly likely win (winning on the road at top 20 teams is damn hard) higher ranked teams winning at home will justify higher ranked teams hosting. They deserve to host because they always win. |
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Post by ag87 on Mar 27, 2024 8:04:18 GMT -8
I believe you are exactly correct. In March madness there used to be bets available that I loved but now you can't find. The bet was an over or an under on wins by a conference. For example, you would see Big 10 at 11.5. And you would bet more wins or less wins. I loved it because the outcome was contingent on the seeds, not the quality of the teams. I'm going from memory but you would assign 2.3 wins to a 2 seed, 1,9 wins to a three seed and so on. You had historical data to get those numbers. Then you used a statistical model called Poissen distribution to get percentage chance outcome for each number. Back to the example, for example, 19% chance the B10 wins 10 games, same for 11, 17% for 12 and so on. Anyway, for a 7-seed, it didn't matter how good the team was. They had something like a 55% of winning the first game and then a 20% chance of winning the second game. Unfortunately the casinos got smarter and the lines disappeared.
I think it is the same thing for baseball but less pronounced. A team hosting a SR, is much more likely to win than the visitors. The seed (and who gets to play at home) matters, not so much which team is better.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 27, 2024 10:36:46 GMT -8
Proponents of RPI will say it indicates the strength of teams. I'm not proclaiming RPI as good or bad. Hard to argue that it is meaningless if one of your points is that it is a self fulfilling prophecy. Not to state the obvious, but to get to Omaha a team has to win a tournament and then a series. A 63% success in predicting the eight teams that will accomplish that feat seems to be a pretty good number. The statistical odds based on the format without measuring a teams strength would be 12.5% to get to Omaha. The most surprising data point to me is that teams outside the top 16 went to Omaha at a 2% rate. One of those, Stanford had an RPI of 17. Virginia came in as a 27 and Oral Roberts at 47. Very hard to beat top 20 teams on the road in a series, and that is what you have to do to get to Omaha. If a top 8 seed doesn't win it's regional, you are still probably traveling to a top 16 site for the super. The playoff system itself skews all the data, so whatever system you use to rank teams will end up with top ranked teams in that ranking system getting to Omaha at a high rate. This will be the same result in the new CFP, higher ranked teams will host, higher ranked teams will mostly likely win (winning on the road at top 20 teams is damn hard) higher ranked teams winning at home will justify higher ranked teams hosting. They deserve to host because they always win. Exactly. How many NCAA hoop upsets do people think would happen if the Top 16 hosted a (4) team single elimination (as that is how hoops works) and then then Top 8 remaining seeds host a single game to see who gets to the E8? I'm betting far far fewer than in the current neutral court system. College baseball vastly skews who makes it to Omaha and it is why being a regional #1 seed is so important. Since 1999 thru last season: Regional Seeds making it to the CWS#1 seeds... 141 times means it happens 73.4% of the time #2 seeds... 32 times means it happens 16.7% of the time #3 seeds... 16 times means it happens 8.3% of the time #4 seeds... 3 times means it happens 1.6% of the time Over two decades, College World Series participants average 6 of 8 being No. 1 regional seeds. The 2013 CWS is the only one where all eight participants came from the top-seed line. Last year, five of the eight were regional 1-seeds. There have been eight seasons where seven No. 1 seeds to make the final field. But, even with this high probability of making the CWS final 8, winning the title is not automatic. Since the seeding reveal changed from only 8 national seeds to 16 in 2018 (?) if you make it consistent and also use 1999-2023 and look at the Top 8 seeds and the number of appearances and who has won the title: Seeds Appearances Titles#1 15 1 (1999 Miami) #2 17 3 #3 15 2 #4 11 1 #5 14 2 #6 11 0 #7 12 0 #8 12 0 So in 24 tourneys only (9) titles come from the top 8 national seeds. So being a Regional host has is important. Statistically three-quarters of all CWS teams and champions have been host teams. BUT, being a Top 8 national seed doesn't always mean success. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2024 12:51:16 GMT -8
Very hard to beat top 20 teams on the road in a series, and that is what you have to do to get to Omaha. If a top 8 seed doesn't win it's regional, you are still probably traveling to a top 16 site for the super. The playoff system itself skews all the data, so whatever system you use to rank teams will end up with top ranked teams in that ranking system getting to Omaha at a high rate. This will be the same result in the new CFP, higher ranked teams will host, higher ranked teams will mostly likely win (winning on the road at top 20 teams is damn hard) higher ranked teams winning at home will justify higher ranked teams hosting. They deserve to host because they always win. Exactly. How many NCAA hoop upsets do people think would happen if the Top 16 hosted a (4) team single elimination (as that is how hoops works) and then then Top 8 remaining seeds host a single game to see who gets to the E8? I'm betting far far fewer than in the current neutral court system. College baseball vastly skews who makes it to Omaha and it is why being a regional #1 seed is so important. Since 1999 thru last season: Regional Seeds making it to the CWS#1 seeds... 141 times means it happens 73.4% of the time #2 seeds... 32 times means it happens 16.7% of the time #3 seeds... 16 times means it happens 8.3% of the time #4 seeds... 3 times means it happens 1.6% of the time Over two decades, College World Series participants average 6 of 8 being No. 1 regional seeds. The 2013 CWS is the only one where all eight participants came from the top-seed line. Last year, five of the eight were regional 1-seeds. There have been eight seasons where seven No. 1 seeds to make the final field. But, even with this high probability of making the CWS final 8, winning the title is not automatic. Since the seeding reveal changed from only 8 national seeds to 16 in 2018 (?) if you make it consistent and also use 1999-2023 and look at the Top 8 seeds and the number of appearances and who has won the title: Seeds Appearances Titles#1 15 1 (1999 Miami) #2 17 3 #3 15 2 #4 11 1 #5 14 2 #6 11 0 #7 12 0 #8 12 0 So in 24 tourneys only (9) titles come from the top 8 national seeds. So being a Regional host has is important. Statistically three-quarters of all CWS teams and champions have been host teams. BUT, being a Top 8 national seed doesn't always mean success. Basketball Seeds making it to the Elite Eight #1-#4 seeds... 142 times means it happens 74.0% of the time #5-#8 seeds... 32 times means it happens 16.7% of the time #9-#12 seeds... 18 times means it happens 9.4% of the time #13-#16 seeds... 1 time means it happens 0.5% of the time In the last 24 Basketball Tournaments, a #1 or #2 seed (analogous to a top 8 national seed) has won 19 titles. And a #1-#4 seed has won 23 of 24. Only #7 seed Connecticut won the whole shebang back in 2014. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2024 13:29:24 GMT -8
Very hard to beat top 20 teams on the road in a series, and that is what you have to do to get to Omaha. If a top 8 seed doesn't win it's regional, you are still probably traveling to a top 16 site for the super. The playoff system itself skews all the data, so whatever system you use to rank teams will end up with top ranked teams in that ranking system getting to Omaha at a high rate. This will be the same result in the new CFP, higher ranked teams will host, higher ranked teams will mostly likely win (winning on the road at top 20 teams is damn hard) higher ranked teams winning at home will justify higher ranked teams hosting. They deserve to host because they always win. Exactly. How many NCAA hoop upsets do people think would happen if the Top 16 hosted a (4) team single elimination (as that is how hoops works) and then then Top 8 remaining seeds host a single game to see who gets to the E8? I'm betting far far fewer than in the current neutral court system. College baseball vastly skews who makes it to Omaha and it is why being a regional #1 seed is so important. Since 1999 thru last season: Regional Seeds making it to the CWS#1 seeds... 141 times means it happens 73.4% of the time #2 seeds... 32 times means it happens 16.7% of the time #3 seeds... 16 times means it happens 8.3% of the time #4 seeds... 3 times means it happens 1.6% of the time Over two decades, College World Series participants average 6 of 8 being No. 1 regional seeds. The 2013 CWS is the only one where all eight participants came from the top-seed line. Last year, five of the eight were regional 1-seeds. There have been eight seasons where seven No. 1 seeds to make the final field. But, even with this high probability of making the CWS final 8, winning the title is not automatic. Since the seeding reveal changed from only 8 national seeds to 16 in 2018 (?) if you make it consistent and also use 1999-2023 and look at the Top 8 seeds and the number of appearances and who has won the title: Seeds Appearances Titles#1 15 1 (1999 Miami) #2 17 3 #3 15 2 #4 11 1 #5 14 2 #6 11 0 #7 12 0 #8 12 0 So in 24 tourneys only (9) titles come from the top 8 national seeds. So being a Regional host has is important. Statistically three-quarters of all CWS teams and champions have been host teams. BUT, being a Top 8 national seed doesn't always mean success. 2018 was the first year that they seeded the top 16. Your seed title numbers are wrong: Seeds Appearances Titles
#1 15 1 1999 Miami#2 17 3 2000 LSU, 2001 Miami, & 2019 Vandy#3 15 3 2009 LSU, 2017 Florida, & 2018 Oregon State#4 11 1 2011 South Carolina#5 14 3 2002 Texas, 2003 Rice, & 2023 LSU#6 11 0 #7 12 1 2021 Mississippi State#8 12 0 19 of 24 baseball champions were regional hosts, 12 top 8 national seeds and 7 other regional hosts. The seven other regional hosts are: 2004 Fullerton (out of the #7 pod), 2005 Texas (out of the #5 pod), 2006 Oregon State (out of the #3 pod), 2010 South Carolina (our of the #4 pod), 2012 Arizona (out of the #6 pod), 2013 UCLA (out of the #5 pod), & 2014 Vandy (out of the #4 pod). The five teams, which have won a National Championship after not hosting a regional are 2007 Oregon State (out of the #1 pod), 2008 Fresno (out of the #3 pod), 2015 Virginia (out of the #1 pod), 2016 Coastal Carolina (out of the #8 pod), and 2022 Ole Miss (out of the #6 pod). Your overall point is a great point, though. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 27, 2024 14:57:18 GMT -8
Didn't really vet #s that came directly from NCAA.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2024 20:51:31 GMT -8
Didn't really vet #s that came directly from NCAA. Their numbers are wrong then. I remember Mississippi State winning out of the #7 spot in 2022, so I had to double-check. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 27, 2024 21:04:33 GMT -8
Didn't really vet #s that came directly from NCAA. Their numbers are wrong then. I remember Mississippi State winning out of the #7 spot in 2022, so I had to double-check. Yeah their own two sets of data doesn't match for the 3, 5 ('23 CWS hadn't been completed at the time of their data), & 7 seeds. |
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Post by messi on Mar 30, 2024 16:45:58 GMT -8
March 30 standings
| Conference
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| 6-3
| 19-7
| Oregon State
| 5-3
| 21-4
| Utah
| 7-5
| 18-8
| Arizona
| 7-5
| 13-13
| USC
| 6-5
| 11-15
| Washington State
| 6-6
| 16-11
| Arizona State
| 6-6
| 14-14
| California
| 5-7
| 15-10
| Stanford
| 4-5
| 10-13
| UCLA
| 4-8
| 10-15
| Washington
| 3-6
| 8-12-1
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Conference USC def. Oregon State 2-1, 17-4 Utah def. Stanford 3-2, 7-5, 6-13 Arizona def. UCLA 5-3, 3-2, 10-9 Washington def. Washington State 0-4, 14-5, 11-5 Arizona State def. California 14-8, 10-9, 9-6
Non-conference o def. Seattle 5-4, 10-2, 9-2, 14-7 New Mexico State def. Arizona 12-9 USC def. Fresno State 10-1 Portland def. Washington State 3-2 Arizona State def. UNLV 10-9 California def. Santa Clara 6-4 UCLA def. UC-Santa Barbara 13-12
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Post by messi on Apr 7, 2024 21:38:09 GMT -8
April 7 Standings
| Conference
| Overall
| Oregon State
| 8-3
| 26-4
| Arizona
| 10-5
| 17-13
| o
| 8-4
| 22-8
| USC
| 9-5
| 15-16
| Utah
| 7-5
| 21-8
| Stanford
| 6-6
| 13-16
| Washington State
| 7-8
| 17-13
| Arizona State
| 6-9
| 15-17
| California
| 5-10
| 16-13
| UCLA
| 5-10
| 12-17
| Washington
| 3-9
| 9-15-1
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Conference Oregon State def. Arizona State 13-8, 9-1, 9-7 Arizona def. California 5-3, 5-0, 7-3 o def. UCLA 8-4, 3-4, 6-3 USC def. Washington 6-2, 9-5, 6-5 Stanford def. Washington State 5-3, 3-1, 7-9
Non-Conference Oregon State def. Gonzaga 14-0, 13-5 Arizona def. New Mexico 9-1 o def. Portland 7-4 San Diego def. USC 9-3 USC def. UC-San Diego 5-0
Utah def. Utah Valley 10-1, 13-8 Utah split CSUN 14-10, 4-18 Texas Tech def. Stanford 10-9, 15-12 Arizona State def. Grand Canyon 9-8 California def. Pacific 17-1 UCLA def. LMU 4-1 Washington def. Seattle 3-0
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 7, 2024 21:41:10 GMT -8
Thanks Messi, very helpful to see consolidated. Also I hate rooting for USC.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 8, 2024 14:19:25 GMT -8
Current RPI: 6 Oregon State 17-2 27 Utah 12-6 36 Cal 12-547 Oregon 13-6 69 Arizona State 9-10 98 Arizona 8-10 108 Washington 6-8-1 150 Wazzu 10-8 174 USC 6-13 176 UCLA 7-11 179 Stanford 9-9 Oregon State now plays at Portland with an RPI, the team with the second-best RPI in the West Coast Conference. Portland would have the sixth-best RPI in the Pac-12, were they a member. Oregon State plays no team with a better RPI until April, when Oregon State plays the next three best teams in the Pac-12 in RPI behind Utah right now (Arizona State, @ Cal, Oregon series, & @ Oregon). The fourth series between Arizona State & @ Cal is against Stanford in Goss with the current worst RPI, but the Cardinal were voted #2 in the Pac-12 before the season started. Oregon State also has two other games against Portland in April, one at Goss and the other at Ron Tonkin. Between Stanford and @ Cal is a two-game trip to Reno to play Nevada. Nevada currently has the second-highest RPI in the Mountain West at 99, which would currently be seventh-best in the Pac-12. Just to complete the April analysis, the month of April kicks off with two games against Gonzaga with their current 246 RPI poison. Only Bakersfield's 280 RPI is worse than Gonzaga's RPI at this point. Unless Gonzaga really kicks it into gear over the next two weeks, it might be better that those early April games against Gonzaga rain out. Oregon State finishes March with series against #7 in RPI Washington & @ #9 in RPI USC. Those are two slightly better series than the RPI poison that Oregon State will play in early May: @ #8 in RPI Wazzu, @ Gonzaga, & #10 in RPI UCLA. Hopefully Oregon State builds up a great RPI through April, because win or lose, the RPI looks to take a huge hit in early May. Oregon State finishes the regular season in the single worst road trip to end the regular season of any Pac-12 team, in inhospitable Tucson in the second half of May against an Arizona team, which is currently in the middle of the conference in RPI. Assuming that Oregon State does not finish bottom two, the Beavs will drive the two hours North from Tucson to play in Scottsdale the week following. Current RPI: 4 Oregon State 21-2 22 Utah 16-7 43 Cal 14-7 62 Oregon 15-7 93 Washington 6-11-1 94 Arizona 10-12 96 Wazzu 15-8 128 Arizona State 10-14 164 UCLA 9-12 175 USC 8-15 186 Stanford 10-11 Oregon State finishes March with a series @ #10 in RPI USC. Washington and @ USC were looking like better series than @ Wazzu and UCLA. But UCLA's series win against USC has flipped that script, and those two games look better now. Oregon State finishes the regular season in the single worst road trip to end the regular season of any Pac-12 team, in inhospitable Tucson in the second half of May against an Arizona team, which is currently in the middle of the conference in RPI. Assuming that Oregon State does not finish bottom two, the Beavs will drive the two hours North from Tucson to play in Scottsdale the week following. In April, Oregon State plays three of the four best teams in the Pac-12 in RPI behind Utah and Washington right now (Arizona State, @ Cal, Oregon series, & @ Oregon). The fourth series between Arizona State & @ Cal is against Stanford in Goss still with the current worst RPI, but the Cardinal were voted #2 in the Pac-12 before the season started. Oregon State also has two other games against Portland in April, one at Goss and the other at Ron Tonkin. Between Stanford and @ Cal is a two-game trip to Reno to play Nevada. Nevada still the second-highest RPI in the Mountain West at 124, which would now be eighth-best in the Pac-12. Just to complete the April analysis, the month of April kicks off with two games against Gonzaga with their current 210 RPI poison. Only Bakersfield's 267 RPI is worse than Gonzaga's RPI at this point on the Beavs' schedule. Unless Gonzaga really kicks it into gear over the next couple of days, it might be better that those early April games against Gonzaga rain out. I just wanted to point out that RPI sucks. Oregon State swept Washington, and the Huskies rose 15 spots in RPI. Current RPI: 10 Oregon State 26-4 40 Utah 21-942 Arizona 18-13 54 Oregon 22-8 73 Arizona State 15-17 98 USC 8-15 101 Cal 16-13 139 Wazzu 17-13 149 Washington 9-15-1 151 UCLA 12-17 153 Stanford 13-17 In April, Oregon State plays three of the four best teams in the Pac-12 left on the schedule (Arizona State, @ Cal, Oregon series, & @ Oregon). The fourth series between Arizona State & @ Cal is against Stanford in Goss, still with the current worst RPI. But the Cardinal were voted #2 in the Pac-12 before the season started. Oregon State also has two other games against Portland in April, one at Goss and the other at Ron Tonkin. Between Stanford and @ Cal is a two-game trip to Reno to play Nevada. Nevada has the third-highest RPI in the Mountain West at a terrible 193, which would be dead last in the Pac-12. In early May, Oregon State plays two of the four worst teams in the Pac-12 in @ Wazzu and UCLA. A game in Spokane against Gonzaga is sandwiched between the @wazzu and UCLA series. After the @wazzu and UCLA series, the regular season concludes with the single worst road trip to end the regular season of any Pac-12 team, in inhospitable Tucson in the second half of May against an Arizona team, which is currently third in the conference in RPI. Assuming that Oregon State does not finish bottom two, the Beavs will drive the two hours North from Tucson to play in Scottsdale the week following. |
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Post by messi on Apr 16, 2024 10:45:54 GMT -8
April 15 Standings
| Conference | Overall | | Oregon State | 10-4 | 29-5 | | o | 10-5 | 25-10 | | Arizona | 10-5 | 21-13 | | Utah | 9-6 | 23-11 | | USC | 10-7 | 17-18 | | Stanford | 7-8 | 14-19 | | California | 8-10 | 20-14 | | Washington State | 7-11 | 17-17 | | Arizona State | 7-11 | 16-20 | | UCLA | 6-12 | 13-20 | | Washington | 5-10 | 11-17-1 |
Conference Oregon State def. Stanford 6-0, 3-1, 10-11 o def. USC 4-1, 5-3, 2-5 Utah def. Arizona State 10-0, 3-8, 11-5 California def. Washington State 4-3, 13-5, 8-2 Washington def. UCLA 5-4, 5-13, 8-4 Non-conference Oregon State def. Portland 11-8 o split Sacramento State 8-15, 11-4 Arizona def. Stanford 12-1 Arizona def. Louisiana Tech 9-1, 6-5, 5-2 BYU def. Utah 7-3 USC def. UC-Irvine 12-5 California split St. Mary's 1-6, 14-11 Gonzaga def. Washington State 22-7 Grand Canyon def. Arizona State 5-3 Pepperdine def. UCLA 10-2 Seattle def. Washington 7-6 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 16, 2024 13:11:18 GMT -8
Current RPI: 4 Oregon State 21-2 22 Utah 16-7 43 Cal 14-7 62 Oregon 15-7 93 Washington 6-11-1 94 Arizona 10-12 96 Wazzu 15-8 128 Arizona State 10-14 164 UCLA 9-12 175 USC 8-15 186 Stanford 10-11 Oregon State finishes March with a series @ #10 in RPI USC. Washington and @ USC were looking like better series than @ Wazzu and UCLA. But UCLA's series win against USC has flipped that script, and those two games look better now. Oregon State finishes the regular season in the single worst road trip to end the regular season of any Pac-12 team, in inhospitable Tucson in the second half of May against an Arizona team, which is currently in the middle of the conference in RPI. Assuming that Oregon State does not finish bottom two, the Beavs will drive the two hours North from Tucson to play in Scottsdale the week following. In April, Oregon State plays three of the four best teams in the Pac-12 in RPI behind Utah and Washington right now (Arizona State, @ Cal, Oregon series, & @ Oregon). The fourth series between Arizona State & @ Cal is against Stanford in Goss still with the current worst RPI, but the Cardinal were voted #2 in the Pac-12 before the season started. Oregon State also has two other games against Portland in April, one at Goss and the other at Ron Tonkin. Between Stanford and @ Cal is a two-game trip to Reno to play Nevada. Nevada still the second-highest RPI in the Mountain West at 124, which would now be eighth-best in the Pac-12. Just to complete the April analysis, the month of April kicks off with two games against Gonzaga with their current 210 RPI poison. Only Bakersfield's 267 RPI is worse than Gonzaga's RPI at this point on the Beavs' schedule. Unless Gonzaga really kicks it into gear over the next couple of days, it might be better that those early April games against Gonzaga rain out. I just wanted to point out that RPI sucks. Oregon State swept Washington, and the Huskies rose 15 spots in RPI. Current RPI: 10 Oregon State 26-4 40 Utah 21-942 Arizona 18-13 54 Oregon 22-8 73 Arizona State 15-17 98 USC 8-15 101 Cal 16-13 139 Wazzu 17-13 149 Washington 9-15-1 151 UCLA 12-17 153 Stanford 13-17 In April, Oregon State plays three of the four best teams in the Pac-12 left on the schedule (Arizona State, @ Cal, Oregon series, & @ Oregon). The fourth series between Arizona State & @ Cal is against Stanford in Goss, still with the current worst RPI. But the Cardinal were voted #2 in the Pac-12 before the season started. Oregon State also has two other games against Portland in April, one at Goss and the other at Ron Tonkin. Between Stanford and @ Cal is a two-game trip to Reno to play Nevada. Nevada has the third-highest RPI in the Mountain West at a terrible 193, which would be dead last in the Pac-12. In early May, Oregon State plays two of the four worst teams in the Pac-12 in @ Wazzu and UCLA. A game in Spokane against Gonzaga is sandwiched between the @wazzu and UCLA series. After the @wazzu and UCLA series, the regular season concludes with the single worst road trip to end the regular season of any Pac-12 team, in inhospitable Tucson in the second half of May against an Arizona team, which is currently third in the conference in RPI. Assuming that Oregon State does not finish bottom two, the Beavs will drive the two hours North from Tucson to play in Scottsdale the week following. Current RPI: 13 Oregon State 29-5 28 Arizona 21-13 47 Utah 24-11 63 Oregon 25-10 75 Cal 20-14 77 USC 17-8 82 Arizona State 16-20 128 Stanford 14-19 166 UCLA 13-20 173 Wazzu 17-17 187 Washington 11-17-1 In April, Oregon State plays three of the four best teams in the Pac-12 left on the schedule (Arizona State, @ Cal, Oregon series, & @ Oregon). Oregon State also has one other game against Portland remaining in April at Ron Tonkin. Between Stanford and @ Cal is a two-game trip to Reno to play Nevada. Nevada is exactly in the middle of the Mountain West in RPI a terrible 206, which would be dead last in the Pac-12. In early May, Oregon State plays two of the three worst teams in the Pac-12 in @ Wazzu and UCLA. A game in Spokane against Gonzaga is sandwiched between the @wazzu and UCLA series. After the @wazzu and UCLA series, the regular season concludes with the single worst road trip to end the regular season of any Pac-12 team, in inhospitable Tucson in the second half of May against an Arizona team, which is currently second in the conference in RPI, which may be for the Regular Season Pac-12 Championship. Assuming that Oregon State does not finish bottom two, the Beavs will drive the two hours North from Tucson to play in Scottsdale the week following. |
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Post by messi on Apr 22, 2024 6:39:24 GMT -8
April 22 Standings
| Conference | Overall | | Arizona | 13-5 | 24-14 | | o | 11-7 | 27-12 | | Utah | 11-7 | 26-12 | | USC | 10-7 | 19-21 | | Oregon State | 10-7 | 30-9 | | California | 11-10 | 24-14 | | Stanford | 9-9 | 17-20 | | Arizona State | 10-11 | 20-21 | | Washington State | 7-14 | 18-20 | | Washington | 6-12 | 13-19-1 | | UCLA | 6-15 | 13-24 |
Arizona def. Washington State 8-7, 7-1, 7-6 (11) Stanford def. o 19-7, 5-17, 10-7 Utah def. Washington 8-6, 8-13, 14-3 California def. Oregon State 10-8, 8-7, 4-3 Arizona State def. UCLA 5-3, 8-2, 13-1 Non-ConferenceGrand Canyon def. Arizona 5-4 o def. Gonzaga 14-9 Utah def. Utah Valley 27-4 USC def. UC-Irvine 12-4 Sacramento State def. USC 6-3, 5-4 USC def. Santa Clara 12-11 Oregon State split Nevada 12-5, 10-11 California def. San Francisco 6-3 Stanford def. Sacramento State 12-8 Arizona State split Cal State-Fullerton 3-1, 4-15 Washington State def. Grand Canyon 6-4 Washington def. Portland 11-2 UC-Santa Barbara def. UCLA 6-0 |
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