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Post by ochobeavo on Feb 20, 2024 16:16:07 GMT -8
These are great memories for the over 40 crowd. Unfortunately, the under 40 crowds memories are mostly of losing. 2009 CBI Champions. #NeverForget BracketBusters |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 20, 2024 16:39:10 GMT -8
These are great memories for the over 40 crowd. Unfortunately, the under 40 crowds memories are mostly of losing. 2009 CBI Champions. #NeverForget BracketBustersThat one should come with a huge asterisk. They were 13 wins against 17 losses, #8 in a 10 team conference, without a Pac-10 tourney win, when they got the invite to that tournament. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Feb 20, 2024 16:41:37 GMT -8
That one should come with a huge asterisk. They were 13 wins against 17 losses, #8 in a 10 team conference, without a Pac-10 tourney win, when they got the invite to that tournament. That and the fact if Robinson wasn't the coach, it wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have been invited. |
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Post by beaver94 on Feb 20, 2024 16:51:29 GMT -8
That one should come with a huge asterisk. They were 13 wins against 17 losses, #8 in a 10 team conference, without a Pac-10 tourney win, when they got the invite to that tournament. That and the fact if Robinson wasn't the coach, it wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have been invited. They still managed to gut it out and win it all. #NeverForget |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2024 17:14:26 GMT -8
There were six National Player of the Year Awards given in 1990. Winners were: Naismith Lionel Simmons
AP Lionel SimmonsWooden Lionel Simmons
Robertson Lionel Simmons
NABC Lionel Simmons
The Sporting News gave their Player of the Year Award to Georgia Tech's Dennis Scott. Freaking joke! It is not lost on me that the East Coast Nets chose Derrick Coleman 1-1, allowing the West Coast Sonics to snatch up Payton at 1-2. Payton was the only future NBA Hall of Famer, who played domestically in 1990. It's not like Derrick Coleman was a bust. He still have a very good career despite battling numerous injuries. Coleman had a bad heart and was toxic early in his career, demanding a trade out of New Jersey after five years. The Nets dumped him for Shawn Bradley. While the Nets were trading Coleman for Bradley, Payton was being named to nine consecutive All-NBA teams. Coleman hated Karl Malone, referring to him as "Uncle Tom" and was suspended for punching Malone in 2001. Coleman was one of the nine players suspended after the Malice at the Palace. He was cut midseason by the Pistons in 2005 and retired. The year after Coleman was out of basketball, Payton was winning his ring with the Heat. Coleman declared bankruptcy in 2010. Since then, he seems to have been doing what he can to help the people of Michigan, an entirely noble goal. Maybe not a complete bust, but he was not in the same stratosphere as Payton. Once Payton got up-to-speed in the NBA, he was one of the 20 or so best players for almost a decade. The same could never be said of Coleman. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2024 17:26:00 GMT -8
That one should come with a huge asterisk. They were 13 wins against 17 losses, #8 in a 10 team conference, without a Pac-10 tourney win, when they got the invite to that tournament. That and the fact if Robinson wasn't the coach, it wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have been invited. The CBI was a scam. You bought into the CBI. You had to pay $35K to host an octofinal, $50K to host a quarterfinal, and $75K to host a game thereafter. Oregon State paid $235K to hold the four games at Gill. UTEP actually out-bid Oregon State for the Championship Game but still did not pay as much as the Beavs did for their four home games, because the Miners played at Reno and Richmond en route to the Championship Series against Oregon State. Ridiculous that Oregon State played in the CBI. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 20, 2024 17:47:14 GMT -8
That and the fact if Robinson wasn't the coach, it wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have been invited. The CBI was a scam. You bought into the CBI. You had to pay $35K to host an octofinal, $50K to host a quarterfinal, and $75K to host a game thereafter. Oregon State paid $235K to hold the four games at Gill. UTEP actually out-bid Oregon State for the Championship Game but still did not pay as much as the Beavs did for their four home games, because the Miners played at Reno and Richmond en route to the Championship Series against Oregon State. Ridiculous that Oregon State played in the CBI. The most ridiculous part was hanging the “championship” banner. Thankfully, they took it down. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 20, 2024 21:43:02 GMT -8
Craig Robinson will go down in history as one of the great CBI coaches of all time.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 21, 2024 5:32:47 GMT -8
These are great memories for the over 40 crowd. Unfortunately, the under 40 crowds memories are mostly of losing. 2009 CBI Champions. #NeverForget BracketBustersMy son and I thoroughly enjoyed that run marked by an incredible game three performance from Rickey Claitt. It was something anyway :-) I actually tried to find the game summary and box score on the beaver site but could not. Then, it dawned on me to google it and at least got a summary. Riel PASO, Texas(AP) Ricky Claitt was 5-of-6 on 3-pointers and finished with a game-high 28 points for Oregon State, carrying the Beavers to an 81-73 victory over UTEP in Game 3 of the College Basketball Invitational championship series Friday night. Oregon State made 12-of-19 3-point shots for a 2-1 series win, which clinched its first postseason title in school history. Lathen Wallace added 13 and Roeland Schaftenaar scored 12 for the Beavers. "I was shooting and everything was going in," Claitt said. "I kept shooting until I missed. This is phenomenal for us. This rockets us into next year."
Stefon Jackson, the all-time leading scorer for UTEP (23-14) and Conference USA, led the Miners with 26 points. Arnett Moultrie added 19, and Randy Culpepper had 16. Oregon State shot 56.5 percent from the field to 50 percent for the Miners. "For us, 19 3-pointers is too many," said Beavers coach Craig Robinson, whose team was 0-16 in the Pac-10 last season. "But when you make 12, it's not too many. It just shows our progression from a terrible shooting team to one that shoots 60 percent from the field." Oregon State held the lead for the final 31 minutes after an early 17-4 run, though UTEP trimmed a 10-point deficit to 52-50 on Culpepper's 3-pointer with 9:47 remaining. The Beavers answered with a 14-2 run to stretch the lead to 66-52, and they withstood a late Miner rally for the victory. I think Claitt was also perfect from the line. It was fun. Edit: I can't believe how long ago that was. I just noticed that the post said 2009 CBI Champs. I was looking at seasons '10 and beyond, duh. Claitt was 7-8 from the line and 8-9 from the field. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 21, 2024 10:23:27 GMT -8
I thoroughly enjoyed that run to the CBI title. I think every team we defeated won at least 20 games. The tournament more than paid for itself, that final home game against UTEP drew about 8500 and Gill was absolutely rocking.
So what if we had to buy our way in. It was an investment in the program, something some people here continue to insist we don't do, despite the tangible evidence (locker room, refurbished arena, video boards, scoreboard, practice facility, coaching salary commensurate to his peer group) that we have.
So what if we only got in because CR was the President's BIL. Use every weapon in your arsenal to succeed. And when we got there, we performed.
My family went down to Gill that night to welcome the team home from UTEP. There were 300 or 400 people there to greet them. It felt like the program had turned in the right direction after the debacle that was the Jay John era.
Other's mileage may vary.
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Post by steinlager on Feb 21, 2024 11:06:50 GMT -8
I also enjoyed the CBI games the year they won it. The end of the Jay John era was brutal and for the Beavs to win some games was cool. It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy bit about throwing a starving man a cracker! Fans were desperate at the time.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 21, 2024 13:10:13 GMT -8
I also enjoyed the CBI games the year they won it. The end of the Jay John era was brutal and for the Beavs to win some games was cool. It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy bit about throwing a starving man a cracker! Fans were desperate at the time. speaking of Jay John, Lamar Hurd believes if he wouldn't have gotten hurt we'd have made some noise. What does the board think? |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 21, 2024 13:41:24 GMT -8
I also enjoyed the CBI games the year they won it. The end of the Jay John era was brutal and for the Beavs to win some games was cool. It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy bit about throwing a starving man a cracker! Fans were desperate at the time. speaking of Jay John, Lamar Hurd believes if he wouldn't have gotten hurt we'd have made some noise. What does the board think? I like LH, but... ah, I'd have to say nope... Games 102 PTS 4.9 RB 3.4 AST 3.7 Not really the difference maker for any of those teams to say they'd make "noise". If "noise" means win a ton more games. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 21, 2024 13:50:07 GMT -8
speaking of Jay John, Lamar Hurd believes if he wouldn't have gotten hurt we'd have made some noise. What does the board think? I like LH, but... ah, I'd have to say nope... Games 102 PTS 4.9 RB 3.4 AST 3.7 Not really the difference maker for any of those teams to say they'd make "noise". If "noise" means win a ton more games. Unfortunately, LH kind of regressed through his career. He was a good defender and decent distributor, but he could never shoot. That's a problem with your PG. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 21, 2024 17:49:43 GMT -8
Warning, long post incoming.
Wilky —
I fully acknowledge that East Coast bias is real and it was worse back then. There is also a thing called fan bias and it is just as real. And I don’t think I leaned heavily on AP. I just included another thing that the committee uses that you code to completely omit. So let’s say the Beavs were under-ranked in AP. You really think they should have ended the regular season ranked #12 — the lowest ranking needed to be a 3 seed if only AP was used for seeding? Let’s say they should have been ranked 12 before Arizona blew them out. They dropped 6 spots with that loss (16 to 22), so I think it is reasonable to assume they would have dropped at least 4 spots from #12. That puts them at #16 or last #4 seed if AP was all that was used.
Back quickly to East Coast bias. You wrote: “Sports Illustrated made a point of highlighting that Payton and Oregon State were criminally underrated, because they are on late.” I assume you’re talking about the early March issue that had Payton on cover. If so, that article was about how Payton was underrated not OSU. The only real mention of OSU the team by Kirkpatrick (great writer by the way) is “Remove Payton from the Pac-10-leading-but-lord-knows-how Beavers (21-4 overall through Sunday, 14-2 in the conference), and Oregon State makes an emergency call to the NAIA.” Hmmmm don’t see the word underrated there. In fact, that doesn’t read to me like the author thought Beavers were underrated let alone criminally so. I’ll also point out that his take was very similar to mine calling Beavers in large part a one man team for which I was taken to task by someone on here (though not you I don’t think).
So, since you like ranking/rating systems that rely on SOS, I’ll throw another one out there — Simple Rating System, which uses SOS and margin of victory. Again, system has its problems, but premise is if playing an easier schedule should have a better MIOV. And MOV is used by selection committee I believe.
Oregon State — 27
Michigan — 13
Duke — 5
Georgetown — 4
Louisville — 17
LaSalle — 30
Arkansas — 7
What drew me to it though is that I found a sortable source for it, which made it easy to expand “Quad 1” games beyond just AP ranked to better approximate Quad 1 games. I decided on top 50 SRS teams (seemed like a nice round number). That moves OSU “Quad 1” record to 4-3 (from 1-3) and LaSalle’s to 4-1 (from 0-1).
I don’t know how looking at these various “data points” you can honestly say Beavers should have been a 3 seed. I’m a Beavers fan and that smells of fan bias to me. Should they have been a 4 and LaSalle a 5 seed? I think they were both 4/5 seeds and can make a case for both teams. If the Beavs hadn’t lost to AZ by 27 points in final regular season and then lost to a sub .500 Arizona St in first game of P-12 tourney, they would likely have been a 4 seed. I think that finish versus a 21-game winning streak is why they didn’t not East Coast bias. but I know I won’t convince you of that and that’s OK. But a 3 seed? C’mon.
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