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Post by gnawitall on Feb 14, 2024 13:10:58 GMT -8
The LMU game when Kimble scored 51 or whatever was even better. I think we lost 117-113. They had a couple other guys (Per Stemer, Jeff Frye) who could spot-shoot the lights out. I think LMU made the Elite 8 that year. We got jobbed in SLC by Ball State. Jobbed? I only remember Tao's shot putting us up two and going full Eyeore thinking, 'oh beaver, we'll find a way to lose this one too,' and then OMG! We did. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2024 13:21:22 GMT -8
The LMU game when Kimble scored 51 or whatever was even better. I think we lost 117-113. They had a couple other guys (Per Stemer, Jeff Frye) who could spot-shoot the lights out. I think LMU made the Elite 8 that year. We got jobbed in SLC by Ball State. Jobbed? I only remember Tao's shot putting us up two and going full Eyeore thinking, 'oh beaver, we'll find a way to lose this one too,' and then OMG! We did. I think that Oregon State being given a five seed that year as the Pac-10 Regular Season Champion seemed ridiculous. Also, 24-6 Ball State's RPI numbers did not include their MAC Tournament run. Ball State had nine seniors and may have been the second-best team in the entire Tournament. Ball State was the only team to stay within nine points of eventual National Champion UNLV. Basically a terrible seed for both Oregon State and Ball State to set up the meeting. After beating Oregon State, Ball State then took down the Metro Regular Season and Tourney Champion, Louisville by two before bowing out to UNLV by two in Oakland. The year before, Ball State went 29-2 and upset Pittsburgh in the first round before bowing out to Final Four-bound Illinois. Just a great Ball State team that was underrated against an Oregon State team, who got screwed in the seeding. |
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 14, 2024 13:44:41 GMT -8
Jobbed? I only remember Tao's shot putting us up two and going full Eyeore thinking, 'oh beaver, we'll find a way to lose this one too,' and then OMG! We did. I think that Oregon State being given a five seed that year as the Pac-10 Regular Season Champion seemed ridiculous. Also, 24-6 Ball State's RPI numbers did not include their MAC Tournament run. Ball State had nine seniors and may have been the second-best team in the entire Tournament. Ball State was the only team to stay within nine points of eventual National Champion UNLV. Basically a terrible seed for both Oregon State and Ball State to set up the meeting. After beating Oregon State, Ball State then took down the Metro Regular Season and Tourney Champion, Louisville by two before bowing out to UNLV by two in Oakland. The year before, Ball State went 29-2 and upset Pittsburgh in the first round before bowing out to Final Four-bound Illinois. Just a great Ball State team that was underrated against an Oregon State team, who got screwed in the seeding. Thanks for the info! They were good. The way we lost was magical, for them. Osu might have the record for unlikely losses 😄 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2024 14:21:46 GMT -8
I think that Oregon State being given a five seed that year as the Pac-10 Regular Season Champion seemed ridiculous. Also, 24-6 Ball State's RPI numbers did not include their MAC Tournament run. Ball State had nine seniors and may have been the second-best team in the entire Tournament. Ball State was the only team to stay within nine points of eventual National Champion UNLV. Basically a terrible seed for both Oregon State and Ball State to set up the meeting. After beating Oregon State, Ball State then took down the Metro Regular Season and Tourney Champion, Louisville by two before bowing out to UNLV by two in Oakland. The year before, Ball State went 29-2 and upset Pittsburgh in the first round before bowing out to Final Four-bound Illinois. Just a great Ball State team that was underrated against an Oregon State team, who got screwed in the seeding. Thanks for the info! They were good. The way we lost was magical, for them. Osu might have the record for unlikely losses 😄 In their past 10 Tournament appearances, the Boilermakers have lost to two #1 seeds, a #2, a #3, an #8, an #11, a #12, a #13, a #15, and a #16. In their past 10 Tournament appearances, the Beavs have lost to a #1 seed, a #2, a #5, a #7, an #8, two #10 seeds, two #11 seeds, and a #12. I just remember this from last year. Purdue has some awful losses. Also, I should point out that Oregon State's 10 appearances represent all Beaver appearances, where the Tournament was seeded. Purdue, on the other hand, has been to 14 of the last 16 Tourneys, appeared in one of the 6 Tourneys before that, and then was in 14 of the previous 16 Tourneys before that. All told, Purdue has been to three times as many Tourneys since the Tourneys started to be seeded, despite having a just awful basketball history before that. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 14, 2024 14:22:58 GMT -8
We totally blew the in-bounds play under the basket but Karl Anderson was backing away from Paris McCurdy on that last shot yet somehow was called for a foul, even though there was absolutely no contact. Payton was grabbed, held and hacked the entire game but somehow all the fouls were on him and he fouled out in OT.
Yes, jobbed.
Teo made the go-ahead basket. Tao was the Hmong kid from Gran Torino.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2024 14:53:38 GMT -8
We totally blew the in-bounds play under the basket but Karl Anderson was backing away from Paris McCurdy on that last shot yet somehow was called for a foul, even though there was absolutely no contact. Payton was grabbed, held and hacked the entire game but somehow all the fouls were on him and he fouled out in OT. Yes, jobbed. Teo made the go-ahead basket. Tao was the Hmong kid from Gran Torino. I don't know what the ref saw on the shot. I cannot see the foul. Also, the call made no sense. If there was a foul, it was in regulation, so there should be time on the clock. If there was a foul with no time left, then there was no foul, because it came after the game was over. It would never be called like that today. Payton also fouled out with 2:18 left in regulation. He sat out about 10 minutes in the second half with four fouls before fouling out with 2:18 left. It seemed obvious that Ball State's game was to try and get Payton to accumulate fouls and foul out, which was ultimately successful. Oregon State only missed three free throws all game, but all three misses came in the final four minutes. The Beavs finished 2/5 from the charity stripe in that time period. Payton's first foul on the screen was garbage, but I do not know anything about the other four. Also, Tao? Teo is Slovenian and was Slovenia's all-time leading scorer for a time. Teo's nephew is Luka Garza. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2024 15:36:27 GMT -8
We totally blew the in-bounds play under the basket but Karl Anderson was backing away from Paris McCurdy on that last shot yet somehow was called for a foul, even though there was absolutely no contact. Payton was grabbed, held and hacked the entire game but somehow all the fouls were on him and he fouled out in OT. Yes, jobbed. Teo made the go-ahead basket. Tao was the Hmong kid from Gran Torino. I don't know what the ref saw on the shot. I cannot see the foul. Also, the call made no sense. If there was a foul, it was in regulation, so there should be time on the clock. If there was a foul with no time left, then there was no foul, because it came after the game was over. It would never be called like that today. Payton also fouled out with 2:18 left in regulation. He sat out about 10 minutes in the second half with four fouls before fouling out with 2:18 left. It seemed obvious that Ball State's game was to try and get Payton to accumulate fouls and foul out, which was ultimately successful. Oregon State only missed three free throws all game, but all three misses came in the final four minutes. The Beavs finished 2/5 from the charity stripe in that time period. Payton's first foul on the screen was garbage, but I do not know anything about the other four. Also, Tao? Teo is Slovenian and was Slovenia's all-time leading scorer for a time. Teo's nephew is Luka Garza. I just rewatched. Karl Anderson just stands there and Paris McCurdy puts his shoulder into Anderson, and they call the foul on Anderson. Ridiculous! Also, it seems quite clear that there should be at least a second left on the clock. That may not mean much, if anything, but McCurdy should not have just hit the free throw and won. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 14, 2024 15:50:46 GMT -8
We totally blew the in-bounds play under the basket but Karl Anderson was backing away from Paris McCurdy on that last shot yet somehow was called for a foul, even though there was absolutely no contact. Payton was grabbed, held and hacked the entire game but somehow all the fouls were on him and he fouled out in OT. Yes, jobbed. Teo made the go-ahead basket. Tao was the Hmong kid from Gran Torino. I don't know what the ref saw on the shot. I cannot see the foul. Also, the call made no sense. If there was a foul, it was in regulation, so there should be time on the clock. If there was a foul with no time left, then there was no foul, because it came after the game was over. It would never be called like that today. Payton also fouled out with 2:18 left in regulation. He sat out about 10 minutes in the second half with four fouls before fouling out with 2:18 left. It seemed obvious that Ball State's game was to try and get Payton to accumulate fouls and foul out, which was ultimately successful. Oregon State only missed three free throws all game, but all three misses came in the final four minutes. The Beavs finished 2/5 from the charity stripe in that time period. Payton's first foul on the screen was garbage, but I do not know anything about the other four. Also, Tao? Teo is Slovenian and was Slovenia's all-time leading scorer for a time. Teo's nephew is Luka Garza. Yeah, regulation, not OT, my bad. Charles McKinney missed the front end of a 1-1 very late that could have iced it for us. I don't think those officials worked another game, they were bad. Jimmy ripped them pretty good in the postgame. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2024 16:39:45 GMT -8
I don't know what the ref saw on the shot. I cannot see the foul. Also, the call made no sense. If there was a foul, it was in regulation, so there should be time on the clock. If there was a foul with no time left, then there was no foul, because it came after the game was over. It would never be called like that today. Payton also fouled out with 2:18 left in regulation. He sat out about 10 minutes in the second half with four fouls before fouling out with 2:18 left. It seemed obvious that Ball State's game was to try and get Payton to accumulate fouls and foul out, which was ultimately successful. Oregon State only missed three free throws all game, but all three misses came in the final four minutes. The Beavs finished 2/5 from the charity stripe in that time period. Payton's first foul on the screen was garbage, but I do not know anything about the other four. Also, Tao? Teo is Slovenian and was Slovenia's all-time leading scorer for a time. Teo's nephew is Luka Garza. Yeah, regulation, not OT, my bad. Charles McKinney missed the front end of a 1-1 very late that could have iced it for us. I don't think those officials worked another game, they were bad. Jimmy ripped them pretty good in the postgame. McKinney was an 80% foul shooter, too, but a freshman. I think that the bright lights may have got him there. McKinney missed the front end of a 1-1 up 50-47 with three minutes left. Ball State went down and missed two free throws, but Teo did not box out, so Ball State kept possession. And that is when Payton committed the obvious reach for foul #5 with 2:18 left. Ball State makes two to pull within 50-49. Martin misses a free throw but makes the second to go up 51-49. Ball State misses twice but gets the rebounds both times. Allan Celestine knocks it out of bounds to save a basket with 67 seconds left. Celestine then reaches to put Ball State back on the line with 41 seconds left. Chandler Thompson makes both free throws to tie the game at 51. Teo makes his bucket with three seconds left, and Ball State calls its last timeout. Ball State throws it almost the length of court, and, unbelievably, they connect. Anderson recovers to knock the ball out of bounds, which may have been too bad, because it may have been a charge, if Anderson had not knocked the ball away. No one fronts the inbounds man, which allows Paris McCurdy to catch an easy inbounds pass four feet away from the basket. Anderson just stands there (didn't put his arms up), and McCurdy jumps into him for the "foul," making the shot in the process. One second should be left, but it was not called that way. McCurdy converts the free throw for the 54-53 win. Payton's second and fourth fouls were garbage. The second foul looked like a good boxout. The fourth foul looks like McCurdy dove to draw the foul away from the ball. The first foul was Payton being way too aggressive, and Payton tripped a guy, who was going into score for his third foul. That would clearly be some kind of intentional foul nowadays. Between points and assists, Payton accounted for 52% of Oregon State's offense in 1989-90. The Beavs clearly missed him for those 12+ minutes in the second half. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 14, 2024 17:36:58 GMT -8
So timely it was in the post that started this thread! Well look at that. You’re right. |
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Post by 93beav on Feb 18, 2024 20:46:59 GMT -8
Hey, I was at this game as well (as a student). Best (college) game of my life..
Wasn't Payton on the SI cover shortly after this? I have that issue somewhere around here...
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 18, 2024 20:51:57 GMT -8
Hey, I was at this game as well (as a student). Best (college) game of my life.. Wasn't Payton on the SI cover shortly after this? I have that issue somewhere around here... I have that SI, autographed, framed, and hung on my office wall. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 18, 2024 20:57:36 GMT -8
Hey, I was at this game as well (as a student). Best (college) game of my life.. Wasn't Payton on the SI cover shortly after this? I have that issue somewhere around here... Payton was on the cover of SI two Mondays later. The article, though, was written before Oregon State beat Arizona in the regular season finale. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Feb 18, 2024 22:19:48 GMT -8
Hey, I was at this game as well (as a student). Best (college) game of my life.. Wasn't Payton on the SI cover shortly after this? I have that issue somewhere around here... Payton was on the cover of SI two Mondays later. The article, though, was written before Oregon State beat Arizona in the regular season finale. OSU beat Arizona in their 3rd game of the season. It was an early season conference game played on Dec 2. OSU got blown out 87-60 in the regular season finale in Tucson. Then lost to ASU 6 days later in the PAC 10 tournament. Then they lost to Ball State 6 days after that to end the season with a 3 game skid. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/oregon-state/men/1990-schedule.html |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 19, 2024 0:22:58 GMT -8
Jobbed? I only remember Tao's shot putting us up two and going full Eyeore thinking, 'oh beaver, we'll find a way to lose this one too,' and then OMG! We did. I think that Oregon State being given a five seed that year as the Pac-10 Regular Season Champion seemed ridiculous. Also, 24-6 Ball State's RPI numbers did not include their MAC Tournament run. Ball State had nine seniors and may have been the second-best team in the entire Tournament. Ball State was the only team to stay within nine points of eventual National Champion UNLV. Basically a terrible seed for both Oregon State and Ball State to set up the meeting. After beating Oregon State, Ball State then took down the Metro Regular Season and Tourney Champion, Louisville by two before bowing out to UNLV by two in Oakland. The year before, Ball State went 29-2 and upset Pittsburgh in the first round before bowing out to Final Four-bound Illinois. Just a great Ball State team that was underrated against an Oregon State team, who got screwed in the seeding. I’m not sure you really understand seeding. Oregon State was ranked 22 after we lost in final game of regular season. We then lost first game in conf. tourney by 8 to the .500 ASU. We also had a 1-3 record against ranked opponents. Beavers seeding wasn’t ridiculous, especially when you look at the 4 seeds. Should LaSalle have been a 5 seed? Maybe the weakest resume, but they had only lost 1 game heading into tourney. Ga Tech was only 3rd in ACC, but was 5-2 against ranked teams in regular season and won ACC tourney. Like today when seeding is very much impacted by Quad 1/2 wins and Quad 3/4 losses, wins/record against ranked teams were key to seeding back then. Ball St might have been under-seeded, but again you have to rely on what happened prior to tournament to determine that not tourney results. But teams from the Mac and conferences like it were often under-seeded back then. However, they weren’t the second best team in the tournament. They were a well-coached, experienced, disciplined team whose style created problems for opponents. Ball St’s more deliberate style was the reason game was so close, but to their credit they could and maybe should have beat UNLV that night. But coming the closest to beating the champs doesn’t make you the second best team. |
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