No game thread tonight not a great sign

The point is I'm tired of the NIL excuses, corvallis is tough to recruit to, etc..and tinkle is the best we could ever hope for as no one would ever take the job. There are plenty of coaches out there that would jump at the chance to coach at oregon state. And yes if Kyle Smith said he wanted to come to oregon state I'd grab him.

That’s my kind of player! Can’t take ‘em with you!

Both. We started with a 2019 Sixto Chardonnay from WA. Then on to reds — a Chateauneuf, a Clos Mogador, two Syrah and two Cabs, including a Leonetti from WA. All wines showed well with the Leonetti being the WOTN.

I drank two “Sticky Hands” IPAs while re-watching Ken Burn’s documentary “The War.” Switched back and forth to check score from time to time.

Kyle Smith is interesting, because he was basically the brains behind Randy Bennett's St. Mary's teams for nine years.  He then spent six years in Columbia before starting his three-year run at San Francisco.  At San Francisco, Smith took down Utah in 2016-17 and then swept California and Stanford in 2018-19.

He was an obvious up-and-comer in 2019, and his wife was from Washington.

Add to that that Smith is a heavy analytics guy, who really appealed to a very young and highly intelligent AD in Chun.

It's a no-brainer at the time for Washington State, but I am not so sure that Smith would have ever considered Oregon State.  Part of that is that the St. Mary's coach tree have typically hated how Oregon State's Athletic Department was handled under BDC and what everyone on the West Coast has seen as a complete mismanagement and misallocation of resources by the Oregon State Athletic Department historically under BDC (which includes the hiring of Tinkle), when it comes to funding basketball.

When BDC was looking to hire a replacement that ultimately became Robinson, BDC interviewed Bennett at St. Mary's.  And Bennett was very publicly shocked at the lack of effort by BDC to court him and the lack of resources that he could count on at that time.

And Kyle Smith was second-in-command at St. Mary's at that time, so I have to imagine that Smith heard about the whole BDC-Bennett dust-up.

Given how Oregon State's Elite Eight run and how the administration supported Tinkle afterwards, maybe the position will not be viewed as so toxic?

During the Great Recession, BDC began funding basketball at the lowest levels in the Pac-12, shifting money from football and basketball to the other sports.

This is known, and it may taint how anyone views the Oregon State job going forward.

And the fact that we will be moving from the Pac-12 to the West Coast Conference and have no idea what the schedule will look like next year and will have even less of an idea what the schedule will look like in three years......

I think that you are overselling Oregon State's current position compared to Wazzu's position 4+ years ago.

It is not apples-to-apples.  BDC was a terrible AD.  The effects of BDC being a terrible AD are still being felt a decade after BDC.  The fact that we are in this position at all.  BDC killed the goose laying golden eggs.  And we are moving on sans 10 Pac-12 members as a result.

It would be a hard-off for BDC, right?  You would have the hard-on, right?  Very confusing.

I don't know why Bennett visited Oregon State, then.  And I do not know why Bennett badmouthed BDC like he did after the fact.

I know that he was angling for the Cal or Stanford job, though, so he may have just been saying what he was saying to try and stay in line for a spot at Cal or Stanford that year.

I do not doubt that BDC was a great numbers guy.  I could see him as a phenomenal number two.  Where BDC failed was seeing the big picture and keeping his eyes on the prize that were football and basketball, instead using the two as piggy banks to fund construction for other money-losing programs.

BDC also failed at keeping boosters contributing without interfering in football.  BDC also also failed at promoting Oregon State football and basketball, increasing donations, and keeping the gears working for everything after Raising Reser.

The above explains why teams other than basketball and football found success.  They were being overfunded, using profits from football and basketball.

He re-hired Riley, which was a great decision.  He supported Riley up until the Great Recession.  He then ran bare bones and refused to increase assistant salaries to stay competitive.  He then caved in to booster pressure to "shake up" the football coaching staff and refused to re-sign Langs after Langs put together the best offense in Oregon State history.  (Still is the best offense in Oregon State history.)

You can point out a bunch of minor "successes" in BDC's first five years at the helm.  But they are more than washed out by the colossal failures over the final seven years: scaring off/pissing off Bennett in a public way, hiring Robinson, not paying Johnson, chasing off Langs, hiring GAG, etc.

You added in Billy Greier.  Thinking that he was a good hire and then failing to hire him over Robinson.

Wait, the best offense in OSU history?   OSU should have been in the Rose Bowl right?  I think this may be one of the first pro-Langsdorf posts I've ever seen on a message board anywhere outside of his kidney donation.