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Post by easyheat on Feb 9, 2024 16:56:17 GMT -8
Bro, you get the final word.
I made my point.
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Post by richard44 on Feb 9, 2024 20:44:27 GMT -8
I know this is a Caraway thread, but there has been some talk about Turley (as if he underperformed?) and the hype he had coming in to college, so I figured I would comment on him again.
Yes, Turley had a good amount of hype coming in. But, if you remember, he dropped a lot in the draft, and I believe it had a lot to do with his consistent bat to ball ability/tendancy to swing and miss (and that was in high school). Even though he was highly touted, he only batted .317 as a senior in high school. For those of you that either played high school baseball or know high school baseball, you know .317 is nothing too exciting. It’s decent for a high school kid, but that’s about it. It’s actually very underwhelming for a D1 recruit. Just check out the numbers for guys like Caraway and Guerra in high school (Guerra hit .592 as a senior at the 6A level). Where Turley was ridiculous in high school was his bat speed and power. He hit 15 home-runs that same year that he hit .317. 15 home runs in a high school season is incredible (Guerra only hit 6 as a senior the same year he hit .592).
In saying all that, Turley had hype, but the hype came with the understanding that he’s not a guy that’s consistently going to hit for a high average. He is streaky and will slump followed by mashing for an extended period of time. People have pointed out that he slumped last year, and I say, “okay, so your point is what exactly?” To use a quote similar to Dennis Green, “He was who we thought he was.” In other words, he was exactly who he was projected to be. Big power, athletic, will drive in a lot of runs, but isn’t going to be a Rutchman/Bazanna/Conforto when it comes to bat to ball/hit for average skills.
Maybe that changes this year, who knows? I suspect and hope he takes a step forward this year with his overall game.
Go Beavs, it’s going to be a really fun season!
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Post by irimi on Feb 10, 2024 7:24:58 GMT -8
I know this is a Caraway thread, but there has been some talk about Turley (as if he underperformed?) and the hype he had coming in to college, so I figured I would comment on him again. Yes, Turley had a good amount of hype coming in. But, if you remember, he dropped a lot in the draft, and I believe it had a lot to do with his consistent bat to ball ability/tendancy to swing and miss (and that was in high school). Even though he was highly touted, he only batted .317 as a senior in high school. For those of you that either played high school baseball or know high school baseball, you know .317 is nothing too exciting. It’s decent for a high school kid, but that’s about it. It’s actually very underwhelming for a D1 recruit. Just check out the numbers for guys like Caraway and Guerra in high school (Guerra hit .592 as a senior at the 6A level). Where Turley was ridiculous in high school was his bat speed and power. He hit 15 home-runs that same year that he hit .317. 15 home runs in a high school season is incredible (Guerra only hit 6 as a senior the same year he hit .592). In saying all that, Turley had hype, but the hype came with the understanding that he’s not a guy that’s consistently going to hit for a high average. He is streaky and will slump followed by mashing for an extended period of time. People have pointed out that he slumped last year, and I say, “okay, so your point is what exactly?” To use a quote similar to Dennis Green, “He was who we thought he was.” In other words, he was exactly who he was projected to be. Big power, athletic, will drive in a lot of runs, but isn’t going to be a Rutchman/Bazanna/Conforto when it comes to bat to ball/hit for average skills. Maybe that changes this year, who knows? I suspect and hope he takes a step forward this year with his overall game. Go Beavs, it’s going to be a really fun season! In all fairness, this wasn’t the evaluation of Turkey’s skills here on the board before the season began. Here, we read how Turley has plus ability in just about everything, that he’ll play immediately, and he could be rookie of the year. Sounds a bit like what we are hearing about Caraway, so naturally people are going to be a bit skeptical. Personally, I don’t mind. I expect kids to struggle a bit “on stage” as a Beaver. After reading about Kwan’s mental battles and not feeling like he belonged, I realized that being a Beaver is not only a coveted thing, but also a heavy weight on their shoulders. I was happy to see Turley redeem himself at the end of the season. He’s making the adjustments and should be stronger for it. If Caraway comes in ready right out of the box, so to speak, he will be one of very few players to do so. I’m looking forward to seeing it. |
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Post by cake on Feb 10, 2024 18:38:56 GMT -8
Whatever. Caraway looks really good. Everybody is unproven until they prove it. I think he will.
But I'm a sunshine guy.
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Post by richard44 on Feb 10, 2024 19:12:29 GMT -8
Whatever. Caraway looks really good. Everybody is unproven until they prove it. I think he will. But I'm a sunshine guy. Caraway will have a great year. He won’t play like a freshman, and he will be our next star. |
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Post by cake on Feb 10, 2024 19:20:03 GMT -8
Whatever. Caraway looks really good. Everybody is unproven until they prove it. I think he will. But I'm a sunshine guy. Caraway will have a great year. He won’t play like a freshman, and he will be our next star. year older than a typical freshmen helps. Plus the fact that he can rake. Agreed. |
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Post by Bodhisattva on Feb 11, 2024 8:01:12 GMT -8
Never confuse realism with negativity. I understand there is uncertainty with college freshman but why the constant need to ding everybody as unproven, and untested? To what purpose? Caraway has hit Trinity League pitching (as good as it gets), elite travel team pitching while playing with Canes National, Area Code pitching. USA Baseball, etc. Scouts had him ticketed in the first 3 rounds of the MLB draft and our coaches started recruiting him when he was 15 (what were they thinking?). He has hit over .400 at every level of competition so chances are, he'll be a good hitter at the next one . . . but let's make sure everyone knows he is unproven and hasn't hit all that brutal PAC-12 pitching yet in spite of his performance all fall against some of the best pitching in the PAC - ours! It's hard to imagine a born hitter with a probability factor of about 98% of being successful at OSU, carrying an "unproven" label on his jersey. Baseball America's writer didn't just randomly select him as "freshman of the Year", he earned that with his career performance. Casting a shadow over all of that seems odd if not downright weird. See that's the issue. You make up crap. No specific player was mentioned. You went off on your arrogant high horse that stating "potential" was somehow not only a negative, but shouldn't be posted. Then you add all this extraneous crap that has zero, nothing to do with the topic. Levels, scouting, POY? WTF dude, none is based on D1 results. I wonder how many wonderkins have not lived up to such hype. But, the funny thing, no one mentioned he or the other frosh wouldn't. Just that it was hype and meant they had potential. Read. No player was dissed. It was stated none have played an inning of D1 ball. You... in you ultimate "fake" wisdom deemed it inappropriate to post. Negativity would be stating a specific player would fail or not live up to hype. That was not what began your BS post about what should be posted. Your consistent gerrymandering the actual topic indicates your elementary level of the topic. Surprise... you are not the guru of college baseball. You also don't determine what is posted nor what is negativity or realism for everyone. You mainly post other people's info and thoughts. Then base your own words on those of others. Above you naively reiterate certain players are indeed "unproven", as they have not faced opposition. Just using one aspect of the above post... there are more, but anything else is a waste of space. Just a hint, obviously your coaching knowledge is very, VERY, limited. If you think facing minimal pitches in practices from your own staff is the same as game situations vs opposing pitchers. Lol Dude, I posted a short, simple message that stated there had been no games to interpret anything about any of the newcomers. Go back, read. Hence, it's all potential at this point. PS... do you actually read your BS? "Born hitter", "98% probability of success", "over .400 at every level" except D1 right? ... FFS there is just so much to give pause.  |
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Post by easyheat on Feb 11, 2024 9:58:11 GMT -8
LOL.
I was thinking more along the lines of therapy or maybe electric shock.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 11, 2024 13:25:50 GMT -8
LOL. I was thinking more along the lines of therapy or maybe electric shock. Ha... guess you did want to have a last comment. So... are you capable of self examination? But, nah I don't think your blaming others for your own interpretation of posts and then stating what is allowed to be posted is quite to the level of any treatment... narcissism or narcissistic disorder or others... but then again your message board persona is only a tiny glimpse of who you are?! But, feel free to scroll back and reread my fairly innocuous initial post that you took umbrage to. And, your "level headed, mature" reply. Maybe it is a true reflection of a condition?? Do your posts, including that response have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance? Was my post a negative affront to any particular player, players, or coach? Did your off-the-wall response really fit the interpreted "crime" of my post? Or is more that you want people to admire you/baseball posts and so need and seek out as much attention as possible? Did my post imply a post of yours was wrong? Disparage you? Because, truly my post was pretty basic and not negative except by your interpretation of realism. And, your initial reply was very out of character even for a guy with a lot of "cut & paste" stuff?? Not sure how a simple post stating players with no D1 experience can have great skills, but it's all potential until they actual see that level of competition. Is "potential" a dirty word to you? I believe "negative" might be more along the lines of: "?? is all hype and will never be a stud." As always you do you. But, don't think your interpretations are the gospel. Nor think your interpretation lends to what can and can't be posted. |
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Post by seastape on Feb 11, 2024 20:05:18 GMT -8
Never confuse realism with negativity. I understand there is uncertainty with college freshman but why the constant need to ding everybody as unproven, and untested? To what purpose? Caraway has hit Trinity League pitching (as good as it gets), elite travel team pitching while playing with Canes National, Area Code pitching. USA Baseball, etc. Scouts had him ticketed in the first 3 rounds of the MLB draft and our coaches started recruiting him when he was 15 (what were they thinking?). He has hit over .400 at every level of competition so chances are, he'll be a good hitter at the next one . . . but let's make sure everyone knows he is unproven and hasn't hit all that brutal PAC-12 pitching yet in spite of his performance all fall against some of the best pitching in the PAC - ours! It's hard to imagine a born hitter with a probability factor of about 98% of being successful at OSU, carrying an "unproven" label on his jersey. Baseball America's writer didn't just randomly select him as "freshman of the Year", he earned that with his career performance. Casting a shadow over all of that seems odd if not downright weird.
By definition, EVERY player in contention for FRESHMAN of the year, is unproven at the collegiate level. I'm glad they're talking about our guy. It's bizarre to me that this even needed to be said! |
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