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Post by bigorangebeaver on Feb 5, 2024 19:06:00 GMT -8
It's happening: A National Labor Relations Board regional official ruled on Monday that Dartmouth basketball players are employees of the school, clearing the way for an election that would create the first-ever labor union for NCAA athletes.All 15 members of the Dartmouth men's basketball team signed a petition in September asking to join Local 560 of the Service Employees International Union, which already represents some other employees at the Ivy League school in Hanover, New HampshA National Labor Relations Board regional official ruled on Monday that Dartmouth basketball players are employees of the school, clearing the way for an election that would create the first-ever labor union for NCAA athletes.Article Link |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 5, 2024 20:05:49 GMT -8
Simple solution: Cancel Dartmouth men’s basketball.
Only 37 people will care.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 5, 2024 21:03:26 GMT -8
Seems to me that this potentially makes the point that basketball (and other sports players) are being paid and all sports scholarships should be taxable. I assume they aren't currently, so it could be an interesting development that affects every single sports scholarship player in the country.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 5, 2024 22:18:29 GMT -8
Seems to me that this potentially makes the point that basketball (and other sports players) are being paid and all sports scholarships should be taxable. I assume they aren't currently, so it could be an interesting development that affects every single sports scholarship player in the country. The Ivy League does not have athletic scholarships. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 6, 2024 8:35:01 GMT -8
After reading up on this some, Spud’s suggestion probably could be one of Dartmouth’s options going forward. The NLRB apparently ruled Dartmouth players are getting paid through various benefits they receive (coaching, counseling,nutrition,etc) and being in effect employed because of encouraged to schedule classes around sports and other such things while Dartmouth appears to be getting a benefit from having a basketball program. It could really hit the Ivy League hard, then head everywhere else.. if it doesn’t go everywhere all at once. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
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Post by rob85 on Feb 6, 2024 10:13:23 GMT -8
I have been wondering for about the last five years whether (or when) universities will hit the point of saying "Nope" and ending athletics.
The spiralling costs, coupled with the fact that athletics is not remotely close to their primary mission(s), might lead some to the conclusion that it's way more trouble than it's worth to field teams.
Portland State comes to mind as a local example.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Feb 6, 2024 12:30:59 GMT -8
I have been wondering for about the last five years whether (or when) universities will hit the point of saying "Nope" and ending athletics. The spiralling costs, coupled with the fact that athletics is not remotely close to their primary mission(s), might lead some to the conclusion that it's way more trouble than it's worth to field teams. Portland State comes to mind as a local example. What is the primary mission if not to turn a profit? There may have been a more altruistic mission at some point in history....... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 6, 2024 21:30:03 GMT -8
Seems to me that this potentially makes the point that basketball (and other sports players) are being paid and all sports scholarships should be taxable. I assume they aren't currently, so it could be an interesting development that affects every single sports scholarship player in the country. Scholarships are not taxable, if they are used for tuition, fees, or “qualified education expenses.” "Qualified education expenses" include educational books and "supplies." Basically, if you are using the scholarships on education, why would they be taxable? If you are getting paid more than the educational costs, though, that amount should be taxable, unless some kind of credit applies. |
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Post by p8nted on Feb 7, 2024 8:05:17 GMT -8
I have been wondering for about the last five years whether (or when) universities will hit the point of saying "Nope" and ending athletics. The spiralling costs, coupled with the fact that athletics is not remotely close to their primary mission(s), might lead some to the conclusion that it's way more trouble than it's worth to field teams. Portland State comes to mind as a local example. What is the primary mission if not to turn a profit? There may have been a more altruistic mission at some point in history....... IF we take away the required Student fees and state support I wonder how many athletic programs actually turn a profit? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 7, 2024 10:26:20 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 7, 2024 11:21:14 GMT -8
Remember when Vanderbilt (I believe) said they were going to drop all sports? I'm starting to think they were ahead of the curve.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 7, 2024 11:30:05 GMT -8
Remember when Vanderbilt (I believe) said they were going to drop all sports? I'm starting to think they were ahead of the curve. More than 20 years ago at this point. They dissolved the Athletic Department and created an Office of Student Athletics, Recreation and Wellness. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Feb 7, 2024 11:48:37 GMT -8
What is the primary mission if not to turn a profit? There may have been a more altruistic mission at some point in history....... IF we take away the required Student fees and state support I wonder how many athletic programs actually turn a profit? I was responding to the idea of what a universities mission actually is these days, not their stated mission, but what is demonstrated by action. Profitable athletic departments is a different topic. Universities are looking to grow, expand their budgets, enrollments, programs, staff, and facilities. Those who are power 5/4 competitors are well aware of the link between a successful athletic department and alumni financial engagement. Money pours in after feel good seasons. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 7, 2024 12:40:16 GMT -8
Of those 18 I found 13 that receive funds from the university General fund. Which means they are being propped up and actually not making a legit "profit". The others I didn't have time to dig. My guess is none make an actual profit within the AD "only" revenue - expenses. And, that didn't count if they are getting "discounts" on what they charge for tuition, r&b, etc on schollies?! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 7, 2024 12:53:35 GMT -8
Of those 18 I found 13 that receive funds from the university General fund. Which means they are being propped up and actually not making a legit "profit". The others I didn't have time to dig. My guess is none make an actual profit within the AD "only" revenue - expenses. And, that didn't count if they are getting "discounts" on what they charge for tuition, r&b, etc on schollies?! There is a lot of voodoo accounting by some of the ones that show a profit. I knew a guy that worked in accounting at uo and he said there are facility expenses at uo that flow through the university that should be showing up under the AD. This is done so they show a profit. |
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