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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 22, 2024 20:27:40 GMT -8
I will say there is a small booster (seems ironic) group that's raised funds for such an occasion. Not $8.7 mil though, but 7 figures. IF the season doesn't end as poorly as some people think, and IF Tinkle is to be retained, and IF that group of investors isn't just a bunch of whiny Tinkle haters who just want to get rid of him at all costs.... perhaps they should consider putting some portion of 1 year worth of that buyout money into a year's worth of NIL and try to retain our top 3 or 4 players who some have rumored to be hoping for NIL deals elsewhere, maybe even enough to buy a ringer or two like some other teams do. That's a lot of "IFs", but they could actually potentially help the team next year, and still have their opportunity to buy him out for nearly 3 million less after next season. That NIL money should go to the women honestly. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 22, 2024 20:29:29 GMT -8
The consensus is that they don't want to use $ to "buy" talent until there is someone they trust to recruit & develop, then retain talent. They are not whiners but either retired or astute business folk that see $ going to the NIL with WT in charge: (a) not in their control unless they create a hoops only NIL. As of now that's not the interest; (b) tossing good money away after seeing the inconsistency in the current regime; (c) after this long they are patient. Although some highly thought of candidates get hired each year; (d) along with "c" us the uncertainty of the next two years. It maybe in the best interest of OSU to keep WT no matter and then hire when a conference/future is set. With no extension/or negotiation (IF... Barnes will be on the block if he opens that can of worms) on the table the "dead man walking" message will be sent. Most think a reset will happen for the '26-27 season unless Barnes is forced to make a move sooner. This group wouldn't be that instrument. If that happens more than likely we'll have a hoops only NIL for the new hire. But, it's all just possibilities now. Who knows?? What bugs me is we have people complaining that Tinkle is THE problem and they won't contribute to something most successful programs apparently do... I'll say it really slow for those people in the back, OSU shouldn't be in this spot to begin with. That's why money isn't being thrown at men's hoops. Blame the head moron in charge...the man who most certainly won't be taking a paycut next year as OSU's athletic department revenue dwindles to a trickle (or in this case, a tinkle). |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 22, 2024 21:21:01 GMT -8
In the West Coast Conference? I am pretty sure that it would be a step back for Linder. Richey has lived in South Carolina almost his entire life. He coaches less than 30 miles from where he graduated from high school. He spent five seasons in Charleston, but that is about the only time that he has travelled more than 30 miles from where he grew up. I agree both of these guys would be real long shots. That said, I’d guess most people thought Mike Hopkins was a long shot for WA after spending close to 30 years at Syracuse. And, yes, I know he hasn’t worked out all that well outside of his first 2 years. This is well-said. Oregon State's greatest hire ever was probably Ralph Miller. Miller had spent almost his entire life in the Midwest except for World War II and shortly after the ware, when he was in California. Despite that, Oregon State was able to pluck him out of the Big Ten. That was back when James Barratt was the AD, though. Miller was his big hire. Barratt followed that up with hiring Jack Riley a couple of years later. The football team was imploding at the same time, though, Andros taking over the athletic department from Barratt. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 22, 2024 23:04:46 GMT -8
I agree both of these guys would be real long shots. That said, I’d guess most people thought Mike Hopkins was a long shot for WA after spending close to 30 years at Syracuse. And, yes, I know he hasn’t worked out all that well outside of his first 2 years. This is well-said. Oregon State's greatest hire ever was probably Ralph Miller. Miller had spent almost his entire life in the Midwest except for World War II and shortly after the ware, when he was in California. Despite that, Oregon State was able to pluck him out of the Big Ten. That was back when James Barratt was the AD, though. Miller was his big hire. Barratt followed that up with hiring Jack Riley a couple of years later. The football team was imploding at the same time, though, Andros taking over the athletic department from Barratt. Miller was COTY in 2 major conferences, twice in each conference, before he was hired at OSU. No way OSU will hire anyone with that kind of background, maybe ever, you can't hire a basketball coach on a teacher's salary any more. People thinking OSU can pull off hiring the next Ralph Miller are reaching. At some point Tinkle will be gone, and people will be all excited for a year or two, maybe this year, maybe not, but the saying "better be careful what you ask for" is something people should keep in mind. Refusing to invest in basketball earlier has been a big contributor to OSU's current and past basketball troubles, and there's no signs it's changing, the next guy is very likely going to be hamstrung as well. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 23, 2024 4:30:22 GMT -8
What bugs me is we have people complaining that Tinkle is THE problem and they won't contribute to something most successful programs apparently do...but... they are all in on hiring some other guy, hopefully at a lower price, to become the next guy. If this is a good enough program that there are "hundreds" (I think that's the word somebody used recently) of coaches that can do better at OSU, one should probably wonder why after 7 straight new hires over 35 plus years, not one could apparently an acceptable job here. We have the 2nd smallest and second oldest arena in the Pac-12, at the bottom 2 in overall non-coaching and recruiting basketball budgets in the Pac 2, and apparently among the bottom in the league NIL basketball budgets (not that that one is controlled by the university, it's controlled by those who would rather continue firing coaches apparently). What's the guarantee spending millions to fire another coach is gonna help... they've apparently it wrong 7 times in a row now. "They've" not. Past ADs/Admins did... with vastly different outlooks in vastly different eras of athletics. Money is not a solution. You can't expect people to dole out $ to a program they don't have confidence in. Do you toss out $ for things you don't like? Have no confidence in? There are "hundreds" (hyperbole) that would want the job. How successful? No one knows. But, just as Coach Bray with zero HC experience brought immediate excitement and renewed NIL interest. You don't think a new hoop hire would increase interest & excitement vs what's happening now? And, if folks are looking for guarantees they shouldn't be fans... of any sport at any level. Well said! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 23, 2024 11:19:19 GMT -8
IF the season doesn't end as poorly as some people think, and IF Tinkle is to be retained, and IF that group of investors isn't just a bunch of whiny Tinkle haters who just want to get rid of him at all costs.... perhaps they should consider putting some portion of 1 year worth of that buyout money into a year's worth of NIL and try to retain our top 3 or 4 players who some have rumored to be hoping for NIL deals elsewhere, maybe even enough to buy a ringer or two like some other teams do. That's a lot of "IFs", but they could actually potentially help the team next year, and still have their opportunity to buy him out for nearly 3 million less after next season. That NIL money should go to the women honestly. They have their own NIL plan, through Toyota. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 23, 2024 12:40:14 GMT -8
This is well-said. Oregon State's greatest hire ever was probably Ralph Miller. Miller had spent almost his entire life in the Midwest except for World War II and shortly after the ware, when he was in California. Despite that, Oregon State was able to pluck him out of the Big Ten. That was back when James Barratt was the AD, though. Miller was his big hire. Barratt followed that up with hiring Jack Riley a couple of years later. The football team was imploding at the same time, though, Andros taking over the athletic department from Barratt. Miller was COTY in 2 major conferences, twice in each conference, before he was hired at OSU. No way OSU will hire anyone with that kind of background, maybe ever, you can't hire a basketball coach on a teacher's salary any more. People thinking OSU can pull off hiring the next Ralph Miller are reaching. At some point Tinkle will be gone, and people will be all excited for a year or two, maybe this year, maybe not, but the saying "better be careful what you ask for" is something people should keep in mind. Refusing to invest in basketball earlier has been a big contributor to OSU's current and past basketball troubles, and there's no signs it's changing, the next guy is very likely going to be hamstrung as well. Well-said! |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 24, 2024 2:39:25 GMT -8
IF the season doesn't end as poorly as some people think, and IF Tinkle is to be retained, and IF that group of investors isn't just a bunch of whiny Tinkle haters who just want to get rid of him at all costs.... perhaps they should consider putting some portion of 1 year worth of that buyout money into a year's worth of NIL and try to retain our top 3 or 4 players who some have rumored to be hoping for NIL deals elsewhere, maybe even enough to buy a ringer or two like some other teams do. That's a lot of "IFs", but they could actually potentially help the team next year, and still have their opportunity to buy him out for nearly 3 million less after next season. The consensus is that they don't want to use $ to "buy" talent until there is someone they trust to recruit & develop, then retain talent. They are not whiners but either retired or astute business folk that see $ going to the NIL with WT in charge: (a) not in their control unless they create a hoops only NIL. As of now that's not the interest; (b) tossing good money away after seeing the inconsistency in the current regime; (c) after this long they are patient. Although some highly thought of candidates get hired each year; (d) along with "c" us the uncertainty of the next two years. It maybe in the best interest of OSU to keep WT no matter and then hire when a conference/future is set. With no extension/or negotiation (IF... Barnes will be on the block if he opens that can of worms) on the table the "dead man walking" message will be sent. Most think a reset will happen for the '26-27 season unless Barnes is forced to make a move sooner. This group wouldn't be that instrument. If that happens more than likely we'll have a hoops only NIL for the new hire. But, it's all just possibilities now. Who knows?? So one can’t designate his or her donation to go to a specific sport? I assumed donations at a certain level (higher than the Dam Nation Collective membership levels and more than I donate) could be designated for a particular sport. That seems like a major flaw in the system. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 24, 2024 4:02:10 GMT -8
This is well-said. Oregon State's greatest hire ever was probably Ralph Miller. Miller had spent almost his entire life in the Midwest except for World War II and shortly after the ware, when he was in California. Despite that, Oregon State was able to pluck him out of the Big Ten. That was back when James Barratt was the AD, though. Miller was his big hire. Barratt followed that up with hiring Jack Riley a couple of years later. The football team was imploding at the same time, though, Andros taking over the athletic department from Barratt. Miller was COTY in 2 major conferences, twice in each conference, before he was hired at OSU. No way OSU will hire anyone with that kind of background, maybe ever, you can't hire a basketball coach on a teacher's salary any more. People thinking OSU can pull off hiring the next Ralph Miller are reaching. At some point Tinkle will be gone, and people will be all excited for a year or two, maybe this year, maybe not, but the saying "better be careful what you ask for" is something people should keep in mind. Refusing to invest in basketball earlier has been a big contributor to OSU's current and past basketball troubles, and there's no signs it's changing, the next guy is very likely going to be hamstrung as well. No one was claiming that OSU could hire a coach with the same type of credentials as Miller had prior to coming here. His name was brought up (by a “Tinkle-ite” I might add) in the context of not eliminating a coach merely because of geography. But then I think you know that. As for “better be careful what you ask for,” we are very familiar with that phrase and its “power” because we’re living in that hell right now created by those that asked for Tinkle to be the coach through the 2026-27. Why they gave him a 3-year extension on top of the 1-year he automatically got for making NCAA tourney is beyond me. We’d be coming to the end of all this if they had just stuck with a raise and the automatic 1-year. Heck, I would have been fine with them giving him an extra 1 year at that time, but 3? How could they have looked at his body of work at that time and concluded that there was no way the E8 run was an aberration and we certainly want Wayne for another 6 seasons? We all wish the powers that be had heeded your advice and been careful what they asked for. I think all but the most ardent anti-Tinkle posters understand there are no guarantees that the new hire whenever it happens will be more successful than Tinkle. But not because of a hire 35 years ago. 30 years ago or 25 years ago. Just because there are no guarantees. But we’ve seen how well Tinkle is handling the new landscape of college basketball. Is OSU basketball the best funded or have a strong NIL program? No. But I and apparently others don’t believe that’s the main issue or at least the only issue. So why would donors invest more in a guy who has to be close to orchestrating the worst 3 year run for the program — leading to severe apathy for the program. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 24, 2024 9:37:12 GMT -8
The consensus is that they don't want to use $ to "buy" talent until there is someone they trust to recruit & develop, then retain talent. They are not whiners but either retired or astute business folk that see $ going to the NIL with WT in charge: (a) not in their control unless they create a hoops only NIL. As of now that's not the interest; (b) tossing good money away after seeing the inconsistency in the current regime; (c) after this long they are patient. Although some highly thought of candidates get hired each year; (d) along with "c" us the uncertainty of the next two years. It maybe in the best interest of OSU to keep WT no matter and then hire when a conference/future is set. With no extension/or negotiation (IF... Barnes will be on the block if he opens that can of worms) on the table the "dead man walking" message will be sent. Most think a reset will happen for the '26-27 season unless Barnes is forced to make a move sooner. This group wouldn't be that instrument. If that happens more than likely we'll have a hoops only NIL for the new hire. But, it's all just possibilities now. Who knows?? So one can’t designate his or her donation to go to a specific sport? I assumed donations at a certain level (higher than the Dam Nation Collective membership levels and more than I donate) could be designated for a particular sport. That seems like a major flaw in the system. Some NIL collectives do that, buy mostly when they are specific to a sport. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 24, 2024 9:45:06 GMT -8
Miller was COTY in 2 major conferences, twice in each conference, before he was hired at OSU. No way OSU will hire anyone with that kind of background, maybe ever, you can't hire a basketball coach on a teacher's salary any more. People thinking OSU can pull off hiring the next Ralph Miller are reaching. At some point Tinkle will be gone, and people will be all excited for a year or two, maybe this year, maybe not, but the saying "better be careful what you ask for" is something people should keep in mind. Refusing to invest in basketball earlier has been a big contributor to OSU's current and past basketball troubles, and there's no signs it's changing, the next guy is very likely going to be hamstrung as well. No one was claiming that OSU could hire a coach with the same type of credentials as Miller had prior to coming here. His name was brought up (by a “Tinkle-ite” I might add) in the context of not eliminating a coach merely because of geography. But then I think you know that. As for “better be careful what you ask for,” we are very familiar with that phrase and its “power” because we’re living in that hell right now created by those that asked for Tinkle to be the coach through the 2026-27. Why they gave him a 3-year extension on top of the 1-year he automatically got for making NCAA tourney is beyond me. We’d be coming to the end of all this if they had just stuck with a raise and the automatic 1-year. Heck, I would have been fine with them giving him an extra 1 year at that time, but 3? How could they have looked at his body of work at that time and concluded that there was no way the E8 run was an aberration and we certainly want Wayne for another 6 seasons? We all wish the powers that be had heeded your advice and been careful what they asked for. I think all but the most ardent anti-Tinkle posters understand there are no guarantees that the new hire whenever it happens will be more successful than Tinkle. But not because of a hire 35 years ago. 30 years ago or 25 years ago. Just because there are no guarantees. But we’ve seen how well Tinkle is handling the new landscape of college basketball. Is OSU basketball the best funded or have a strong NIL program? No. But I and apparently others don’t believe that’s the main issue or at least the only issue. So why would donors invest more in a guy who has to be close to orchestrating the worst 3 year run for the program — leading to severe apathy for the program. It took a guy all the way from Ohio to state the truth. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 24, 2024 13:17:52 GMT -8
No one was claiming that OSU could hire a coach with the same type of credentials as Miller had prior to coming here. His name was brought up (by a “Tinkle-ite” I might add) in the context of not eliminating a coach merely because of geography. But then I think you know that. As for “better be careful what you ask for,” we are very familiar with that phrase and its “power” because we’re living in that hell right now created by those that asked for Tinkle to be the coach through the 2026-27. Why they gave him a 3-year extension on top of the 1-year he automatically got for making NCAA tourney is beyond me. We’d be coming to the end of all this if they had just stuck with a raise and the automatic 1-year. Heck, I would have been fine with them giving him an extra 1 year at that time, but 3? How could they have looked at his body of work at that time and concluded that there was no way the E8 run was an aberration and we certainly want Wayne for another 6 seasons? We all wish the powers that be had heeded your advice and been careful what they asked for. I think all but the most ardent anti-Tinkle posters understand there are no guarantees that the new hire whenever it happens will be more successful than Tinkle. But not because of a hire 35 years ago. 30 years ago or 25 years ago. Just because there are no guarantees. But we’ve seen how well Tinkle is handling the new landscape of college basketball. Is OSU basketball the best funded or have a strong NIL program? No. But I and apparently others don’t believe that’s the main issue or at least the only issue. So why would donors invest more in a guy who has to be close to orchestrating the worst 3 year run for the program — leading to severe apathy for the program. It took a guy all the way from Ohio to state the truth. Are you guys going to trade names, then? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 24, 2024 13:25:23 GMT -8
Miller was COTY in 2 major conferences, twice in each conference, before he was hired at OSU. No way OSU will hire anyone with that kind of background, maybe ever, you can't hire a basketball coach on a teacher's salary any more. People thinking OSU can pull off hiring the next Ralph Miller are reaching. At some point Tinkle will be gone, and people will be all excited for a year or two, maybe this year, maybe not, but the saying "better be careful what you ask for" is something people should keep in mind. Refusing to invest in basketball earlier has been a big contributor to OSU's current and past basketball troubles, and there's no signs it's changing, the next guy is very likely going to be hamstrung as well. No one was claiming that OSU could hire a coach with the same type of credentials as Miller had prior to coming here. His name was brought up (by a “Tinkle-ite” I might add) in the context of not eliminating a coach merely because of geography. But then I think you know that. As for “better be careful what you ask for,” we are very familiar with that phrase and its “power” because we’re living in that hell right now created by those that asked for Tinkle to be the coach through the 2026-27. Why they gave him a 3-year extension on top of the 1-year he automatically got for making NCAA tourney is beyond me. We’d be coming to the end of all this if they had just stuck with a raise and the automatic 1-year. Heck, I would have been fine with them giving him an extra 1 year at that time, but 3? How could they have looked at his body of work at that time and concluded that there was no way the E8 run was an aberration and we certainly want Wayne for another 6 seasons? We all wish the powers that be had heeded your advice and been careful what they asked for. I think all but the most ardent anti-Tinkle posters understand there are no guarantees that the new hire whenever it happens will be more successful than Tinkle. But not because of a hire 35 years ago. 30 years ago or 25 years ago. Just because there are no guarantees. But we’ve seen how well Tinkle is handling the new landscape of college basketball. Is OSU basketball the best funded or have a strong NIL program? No. But I and apparently others don’t believe that’s the main issue or at least the only issue. So why would donors invest more in a guy who has to be close to orchestrating the worst 3 year run for the program — leading to severe apathy for the program. We re-upped on Tinkle for three reasons. The first was that, at the time, we were afraid that Tinkle would be hired away, which seems laughable now, but it was a concern. The second is that we were financially-secure and believe that we were going to be financially secure for years to come. The UCLA and USC bombshells landed the next year. The third is that we wanted to make sure that everyone knew that Oregon State supported and rewarded their coaches' success. Regardless of what happens to Tinkle, no one can say that Oregon State does not support their head coaches, when they have successful seasons. While I agree with your third paragraph in total, you have to admit that Oregon State's almost complete lack of success the past 25-35 plays into the individuals who would be interested in the position and thereby has to affect a level-headed analysis in what the Beavers' best course forward is. You have a proven commodity now, who has shown that he can win here, even if it is twice a decade. Or you can spin the same wheel that bit you five (six if you include Tinkle) times previously. |
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 24, 2024 16:05:41 GMT -8
No one was claiming that OSU could hire a coach with the same type of credentials as Miller had prior to coming here. His name was brought up (by a “Tinkle-ite” I might add) in the context of not eliminating a coach merely because of geography. But then I think you know that. As for “better be careful what you ask for,” we are very familiar with that phrase and its “power” because we’re living in that hell right now created by those that asked for Tinkle to be the coach through the 2026-27. Why they gave him a 3-year extension on top of the 1-year he automatically got for making NCAA tourney is beyond me. We’d be coming to the end of all this if they had just stuck with a raise and the automatic 1-year. Heck, I would have been fine with them giving him an extra 1 year at that time, but 3? How could they have looked at his body of work at that time and concluded that there was no way the E8 run was an aberration and we certainly want Wayne for another 6 seasons? We all wish the powers that be had heeded your advice and been careful what they asked for. I think all but the most ardent anti-Tinkle posters understand there are no guarantees that the new hire whenever it happens will be more successful than Tinkle. But not because of a hire 35 years ago. 30 years ago or 25 years ago. Just because there are no guarantees. But we’ve seen how well Tinkle is handling the new landscape of college basketball. Is OSU basketball the best funded or have a strong NIL program? No. But I and apparently others don’t believe that’s the main issue or at least the only issue. So why would donors invest more in a guy who has to be close to orchestrating the worst 3 year run for the program — leading to severe apathy for the program. We re-upped on Tinkle for three reasons. The first was that, at the time, we were afraid that Tinkle would be hired away, which seems laughable now, but it was a concern. The second is that we were financially-secure and believe that we were going to be financially secure for years to come. The UCLA and USC bombshells landed the next year. The third is that we wanted to make sure that everyone knew that Oregon State supported and rewarded their coaches' success. Regardless of what happens to Tinkle, no one can say that Oregon State does not support their head coaches, when they have successful seasons. While I agree with your third paragraph in total, you have to admit that Oregon State's almost complete lack of success the past 25-35 plays into the individuals who would be interested in the position and thereby has to affect a level-headed analysis in what the Beavers' best course forward is. You have a proven commodity now, who has shown that he can win here, even if it is twice a decade. Or you can spin the same wheel that bit you five (six if you include Tinkle) times previously.  |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 24, 2024 16:50:22 GMT -8
That NIL money should go to the women honestly. They have their own NIL plan, through Toyota. But this time they can actually receive the use of a car. |
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