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Post by rgeorge on Jan 22, 2024 14:26:08 GMT -8
In the West Coast Conference? I am pretty sure that it would be a step back for Linder. Richey has lived in South Carolina almost his entire life. He coaches less than 30 miles from where he graduated from high school. He spent five seasons in Charleston, but that is about the only time that he has travelled more than 30 miles from where he grew up. I agree both of these guys would be real long shots. That said, I’d guess most people thought Mike Hopkins was a long shot for WA after spending close to 30 years at Syracuse. And, yes, I know he hasn’t worked out all that well outside of his first 2 years. He can recruit though!! No wonder "Cuse dropped off after he left... |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 22, 2024 15:08:37 GMT -8
I agree both of these guys would be real long shots. That said, I’d guess most people thought Mike Hopkins was a long shot for WA after spending close to 30 years at Syracuse. And, yes, I know he hasn’t worked out all that well outside of his first 2 years. He can recruit though!! No wonder "Cuse dropped off after he left... Yeah, given how he started there and his recruiting ability, his subsequent lack of success has baffled me. Haven’t watched enough of his games, so is he just a bad with the X’s and O’s or what? |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 22, 2024 15:30:49 GMT -8
Apologies - I'm sure it's buried in one of these Tinkle threads.. what do we owe him if he is fired at the end of the year? Am I going to be angry when I see the number?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 22, 2024 15:31:30 GMT -8
Apologies - I'm sure it's buried in one of these Tinkle threads.. what do we owe him if he is fired at the end of the year? Am I going to be angry when I see the number? $8.7 million |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 22, 2024 15:34:16 GMT -8
Apologies - I'm sure it's buried in one of these Tinkle threads.. what do we owe him if he is fired at the end of the year? Am I going to be angry when I see the number? $8.7 million Thanks Judge (I guess). so yeah, that's a lot. Even if i contributed $50 to our Benny's House Orange Depressed Freedom Fund that's still (checks notes) $8.7M. see you again next year WT. sigh. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 22, 2024 16:42:21 GMT -8
Thanks Judge (I guess). so yeah, that's a lot. Even if i contributed $50 to our Benny's House Orange Depressed Freedom Fund that's still (checks notes) $8.7M. see you again next year WT. sigh. I will say there is a small booster (seems ironic) group that's raised funds for such an occasion. Not $8.7 mil though, but 7 figures. |
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Post by 86BEAVER on Jan 22, 2024 17:50:28 GMT -8
Let's wait until we can actually afford to fire him after 2-3 more seasons; there will be a whole different batch of potentials available at that point.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 22, 2024 17:52:49 GMT -8
Thanks Judge (I guess). so yeah, that's a lot. Even if i contributed $50 to our Benny's House Orange Depressed Freedom Fund that's still (checks notes) $8.7M. see you again next year WT. sigh. I will say there is a small booster (seems ironic) group that's raised funds for such an occasion. Not $8.7 mil though, but 7 figures. IF the season doesn't end as poorly as some people think, and IF Tinkle is to be retained, and IF that group of investors isn't just a bunch of whiny Tinkle haters who just want to get rid of him at all costs.... perhaps they should consider putting some portion of 1 year worth of that buyout money into a year's worth of NIL and try to retain our top 3 or 4 players who some have rumored to be hoping for NIL deals elsewhere, maybe even enough to buy a ringer or two like some other teams do. That's a lot of "IFs", but they could actually potentially help the team next year, and still have their opportunity to buy him out for nearly 3 million less after next season. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 22, 2024 17:56:58 GMT -8
So let's recap so far, good thread...
Colby Blaine - College of Idaho
Danny Sprinkle- Utah State
Ben McCollum- NW Missouri State
Todd Simon- Bowling Green
Luke Jackson- former Duck and NWC coach
Bryce Drew- Grand Canyon
Tony Stubblefield- former Depaul
Jeff Linder- Wyoming
Bob Richey- Furman
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 22, 2024 18:17:56 GMT -8
I will say there is a small booster (seems ironic) group that's raised funds for such an occasion. Not $8.7 mil though, but 7 figures. IF the season doesn't end as poorly as some people think, and IF Tinkle is to be retained, and IF that group of investors isn't just a bunch of whiny Tinkle haters who just want to get rid of him at all costs.... perhaps they should consider putting some portion of 1 year worth of that buyout money into a year's worth of NIL and try to retain our top 3 or 4 players who some have rumored to be hoping for NIL deals elsewhere, maybe even enough to buy a ringer or two like some other teams do. That's a lot of "IFs", but they could actually potentially help the team next year, and still have their opportunity to buy him out for nearly 3 million less after next season. The consensus is that they don't want to use $ to "buy" talent until there is someone they trust to recruit & develop, then retain talent. They are not whiners but either retired or astute business folk that see $ going to the NIL with WT in charge: (a) not in their control unless they create a hoops only NIL. As of now that's not the interest; (b) tossing good money away after seeing the inconsistency in the current regime; (c) after this long they are patient. Although some highly thought of candidates get hired each year; (d) along with "c" us the uncertainty of the next two years. It maybe in the best interest of OSU to keep WT no matter and then hire when a conference/future is set. With no extension/or negotiation (IF... Barnes will be on the block if he opens that can of worms) on the table the "dead man walking" message will be sent. Most think a reset will happen for the '26-27 season unless Barnes is forced to make a move sooner. This group wouldn't be that instrument. If that happens more than likely we'll have a hoops only NIL for the new hire. But, it's all just possibilities now. Who knows?? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 22, 2024 18:45:21 GMT -8
IF the season doesn't end as poorly as some people think, and IF Tinkle is to be retained, and IF that group of investors isn't just a bunch of whiny Tinkle haters who just want to get rid of him at all costs.... perhaps they should consider putting some portion of 1 year worth of that buyout money into a year's worth of NIL and try to retain our top 3 or 4 players who some have rumored to be hoping for NIL deals elsewhere, maybe even enough to buy a ringer or two like some other teams do. That's a lot of "IFs", but they could actually potentially help the team next year, and still have their opportunity to buy him out for nearly 3 million less after next season. The consensus is that they don't want to use $ to "buy" talent until there is someone they trust to recruit & develop, then retain talent. They are not whiners but either retired or astute business folk that see $ going to the NIL with WT in charge: (a) not in their control unless they create a hoops only NIL. As of now that's not the interest; (b) tossing good money away after seeing the inconsistency in the current regime; (c) after this long they are patient. Although some highly thought of candidates get hired each year; (d) along with "c" us the uncertainty of the next two years. It maybe in the best interest of OSU to keep WT no matter and then hire when a conference/future is set. With no extension/or negotiation (IF... Barnes will be on the block if he opens that can of worms) on the table the "dead man walking" message will be sent. Most think a reset will happen for the '26-27 season unless Barnes is forced to make a move sooner. This group wouldn't be that instrument. If that happens more than likely we'll have a hoops only NIL for the new hire. But, it's all just possibilities now. Who knows?? What bugs me is we have people complaining that Tinkle is THE problem and they won't contribute to something most successful programs apparently do...but... they are all in on hiring some other guy, hopefully at a lower price, to become the next guy. If this is a good enough program that there are "hundreds" (I think that's the word somebody used recently) of coaches that can do better at OSU, one should probably wonder why after 7 straight new hires over 35 plus years, not one could apparently an acceptable job here. We have the 2nd smallest and second oldest arena in the Pac-12, at the bottom 2 in overall non-coaching and recruiting basketball budgets in the Pac 2, and apparently among the bottom in the league NIL basketball budgets (not that that one is controlled by the university, it's controlled by those who would rather continue firing coaches apparently). What's the guarantee spending millions to fire another coach is gonna help... they've apparently it wrong 7 times in a row now. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 22, 2024 19:59:05 GMT -8
The consensus is that they don't want to use $ to "buy" talent until there is someone they trust to recruit & develop, then retain talent. They are not whiners but either retired or astute business folk that see $ going to the NIL with WT in charge: (a) not in their control unless they create a hoops only NIL. As of now that's not the interest; (b) tossing good money away after seeing the inconsistency in the current regime; (c) after this long they are patient. Although some highly thought of candidates get hired each year; (d) along with "c" us the uncertainty of the next two years. It maybe in the best interest of OSU to keep WT no matter and then hire when a conference/future is set. With no extension/or negotiation (IF... Barnes will be on the block if he opens that can of worms) on the table the "dead man walking" message will be sent. Most think a reset will happen for the '26-27 season unless Barnes is forced to make a move sooner. This group wouldn't be that instrument. If that happens more than likely we'll have a hoops only NIL for the new hire. But, it's all just possibilities now. Who knows?? What bugs me is we have people complaining that Tinkle is THE problem and they won't contribute to something most successful programs apparently do...but... they are all in on hiring some other guy, hopefully at a lower price, to become the next guy. If this is a good enough program that there are "hundreds" (I think that's the word somebody used recently) of coaches that can do better at OSU, one should probably wonder why after 7 straight new hires over 35 plus years, not one could apparently an acceptable job here. We have the 2nd smallest and second oldest arena in the Pac-12, at the bottom 2 in overall non-coaching and recruiting basketball budgets in the Pac 2, and apparently among the bottom in the league NIL basketball budgets (not that that one is controlled by the university, it's controlled by those who would rather continue firing coaches apparently). What's the guarantee spending millions to fire another coach is gonna help... they've apparently got it wrong 7 times in a row now. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 22, 2024 20:03:33 GMT -8
The consensus is that they don't want to use $ to "buy" talent until there is someone they trust to recruit & develop, then retain talent. They are not whiners but either retired or astute business folk that see $ going to the NIL with WT in charge: (a) not in their control unless they create a hoops only NIL. As of now that's not the interest; (b) tossing good money away after seeing the inconsistency in the current regime; (c) after this long they are patient. Although some highly thought of candidates get hired each year; (d) along with "c" us the uncertainty of the next two years. It maybe in the best interest of OSU to keep WT no matter and then hire when a conference/future is set. With no extension/or negotiation (IF... Barnes will be on the block if he opens that can of worms) on the table the "dead man walking" message will be sent. Most think a reset will happen for the '26-27 season unless Barnes is forced to make a move sooner. This group wouldn't be that instrument. If that happens more than likely we'll have a hoops only NIL for the new hire. But, it's all just possibilities now. Who knows?? What bugs me is we have people complaining that Tinkle is THE problem and they won't contribute to something most successful programs apparently do...but... they are all in on hiring some other guy, hopefully at a lower price, to become the next guy. If this is a good enough program that there are "hundreds" (I think that's the word somebody used recently) of coaches that can do better at OSU, one should probably wonder why after 7 straight new hires over 35 plus years, not one could apparently an acceptable job here. We have the 2nd smallest and second oldest arena in the Pac-12, at the bottom 2 in overall non-coaching and recruiting basketball budgets in the Pac 2, and apparently among the bottom in the league NIL basketball budgets (not that that one is controlled by the university, it's controlled by those who would rather continue firing coaches apparently). What's the guarantee spending millions to fire another coach is gonna help... they've apparently it wrong 7 times in a row now. "They've" not. Past ADs/Admins did... with vastly different outlooks in vastly different eras of athletics. Money is not a solution. You can't expect people to dole out $ to a program they don't have confidence in. Do you toss out $ for things you don't like? Have no confidence in? There are "hundreds" (hyperbole) that would want the job. How successful? No one knows. But, just as Coach Bray with zero HC experience brought immediate excitement and renewed NIL interest. You don't think a new hoop hire would increase interest & excitement vs what's happening now? And, if folks are looking for guarantees they shouldn't be fans... of any sport at any level. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 22, 2024 20:25:10 GMT -8
Apologies - I'm sure it's buried in one of these Tinkle threads.. what do we owe him if he is fired at the end of the year? Am I going to be angry when I see the number? You most certainly shouldn't be happy. Dips%#t Barnes didn't put a buyout clause in sTinkle's contract. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 22, 2024 20:25:46 GMT -8
Let's wait until we can actually afford to fire him after 2-3 more seasons; there will be a whole different batch of potentials available at that point. By that time, Wayne may have his recruits in the system... |
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