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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 7:35:18 GMT -8
Exhibit A:
One year ago, the Florida Gators signed 5 star QB Jaden Rashida to a $13M NIL agreement. It was a big deal. Remember, Rashida was not even the top recruit in class of 2023 (he was the 7th ranked QB in 2023). And yes, the deal collapsed and was not honored, but a financial precedent was set and valuation marker was made public: a $13 million NIL deal. What about all the duck NIL deals that ARE being honored. I haven't heard of one that wasn't. To think that Phil Knight and Division Street/Oregon isn't doing the same thing or more, is just denial.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 20, 2024 7:37:21 GMT -8
A year ago, the Florida Gators signed 5 star QB Jaden Rashida to a $13M NIL agreement. It was a big deal. Remember, Rashida was not even the top recruit in class of 2023 (he was the 7th ranked QB in 2023). And yes, the deal collapsed was not honored, but a financial precedent was set. What about all the duck NIL deals that ARE honored. I haven't heard of one that wasn't. To think that Phil Knight and Division Street/Oregon isn't doing the same thing or more, is just denial. Again, you have no proof that Phil spent $12 million on the signing class. And to throw out a deal that never happened doesn’t help your case. It doesn’t set any precedent because it wasn’t paid. |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 7:40:41 GMT -8
I present the $13M NIL deal as proof. Yes, the deal collapsed, but what about all the others that didn't?
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 20, 2024 7:42:54 GMT -8
I present the $13M NIL deal as proof. Yes, the deal collapsed, but what about all the others that didn't? what about these non existent deals? |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 7:44:40 GMT -8
I'm here to talk about the deals that do exist. People realize Oregon is paying players, maybe more than anybody. The deals are in place and being honored. The real disagreement is: how much?
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Post by bdc101 on Jan 20, 2024 8:02:54 GMT -8
The reason there is no "proof" is because the NIL deals are not required to be reported or publicized.
The universities are supposed to be told about them, but there's no NCAA oversight of that at all.
Thus, if "pay to play" is a de facto part of the contract (or at least pay to participate on the team) there is no mechanism in place to report it. The public doesn't know the amounts or details of the contracts, and the university isn't able to enforce, and isn't even a little bit interested in enforcing, the one thing about these details that's against the rules: pay to play.
Again, Judge Smalls and rgeorge have chosen to fight and die on the hill that people like Uncle Phil couldn't possibly be cheating, because that would be, like, super unethical.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 20, 2024 8:29:15 GMT -8
The reason there is no "proof" is because the NIL deals are not required to be reported or publicized. The universities are supposed to be told about them, but there's no NCAA oversight of that at all. Thus, if "pay to play" is a de facto part of the contract (or at least pay to participate on the team) there is no mechanism in place to report it. The public doesn't know the amounts or details of the contracts, and the university isn't able to enforce, and isn't even a little bit interested in enforcing, the one thing about these details that's against the rules: pay to play. Again, Judge Smalls and rgeorge have chosen to fight and die on the hill that people like Uncle Phil couldn't possibly be cheating, because that would be, like, super unethical. No, I’m not denying uo’s NIL collective is paying players. I just have an issue with someone posting an amount without anything to back it up. I’m also doubtful that it’s anywhere close to the amount the poster threw out. |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 8:37:23 GMT -8
Folks, here's how the sausage is made. A suggested price list for the Oregon Ducks 2024 signing day and transporter:
QB Dillon Gabriel received $2M to commit to Oregon
QB Dante Moore received $1.5M to commit as a back up QB
5 star recruits receive $1M plus Nike job
4 star recruits receive $500,000 plus Nike job
All football players receive $100,000/year stipend
*Nike job for life is a guaranteed job with Nike as a fall back when a player's career is over. It's a very comfortable salary and they have a job for life if they need it.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jan 20, 2024 8:41:36 GMT -8
The reason there is no "proof" is because the NIL deals are not required to be reported or publicized. The universities are supposed to be told about them, but there's no NCAA oversight of that at all. Thus, if "pay to play" is a de facto part of the contract (or at least pay to participate on the team) there is no mechanism in place to report it. The public doesn't know the amounts or details of the contracts, and the university isn't able to enforce, and isn't even a little bit interested in enforcing, the one thing about these details that's against the rules: pay to play. Again, Judge Smalls and rgeorge have chosen to fight and die on the hill that people like Uncle Phil couldn't possibly be cheating, because that would be, like, super unethical. No, I’m not denying uo’s NIL collective is paying players. I just have an issue with someone posting an amount without anything to back it up. I’m also doubtful that it’s anywhere close to the amount the poster threw out. With all due respect, Judge, it isn't a stretch at all when you consider the past behavior of both Uncle Phil and hole. And, when looking at the donations that are known to Stanford, UofO and the crumbs for us, 12 mil is peanuts. For one of the richest men in the world, it is definitely peanuts. Especially when you can see that the chances of getting caught, or any kind of penalty, for "skirting the law" is virtually non-existent. Willie Lyles, et al was just an outlier, right? Hell, it wouldn't surprise me with that crowd if it was more than 12 mil. Think of the financial boon for Nike U to be in the natty again. Barf |
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 20, 2024 8:41:58 GMT -8
Folks, here's how the sausage is made. A suggested price list for the Oregon Ducks 2024 signing day and transporter: QB Dillon Gabriel received $2M to commit to Oregon QB Dante Moore received $1.5M to commit as a back up QB 5 star recruits receive $1M plus Nike job 4 star recruits receive $500,000 plus Nike job All football players receive $100,000/year stipend *Nike job for life is a guaranteed job with Nike as a fall back when a player's career is over. It's a very comfortable salary and they have a job for life if they need it. Do you have a source for this “suggested” price list? |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 8:53:01 GMT -8
It's a composite taken from known NIL deals, reported NIL team stipends, internet rumor and common sense projections.
I understand some people have a problem with it, but I think it's pretty accurate.
*edit* If Florida gave the 7th ranked 2023 QB a $13M NIL deal, are my numbers really that unreasonable?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 20, 2024 9:35:14 GMT -8
It's a composite taken from known NIL deals, reported NIL team stipends, internet rumor and common sense projections. I understand some people have a problem with it, but I think it's pretty accurate. *edit* If Florida gave the 7th ranked 2023 QB a $13M NIL deal, are my numbers really that unreasonable? Florida didn’t. Using something that didn’t occur to make your point. Nice. And those On3 numbers have no factual basis behind them. They’re just guesstimates. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2024 9:44:47 GMT -8
Exhibit A: One year ago, the Florida Gators signed 5 star QB Jaden Rashida to a $13M NIL agreement. It was a big deal. Remember, Rashida was not even the top recruit in class of 2023 (he was the 7th ranked QB in 2023). And yes, the deal collapsed and was not honored, but a financial precedent was set and valuation marker was made public: a $13 million NIL deal. What about all the duck NIL deals that ARE being honored. I haven't heard of one that wasn't. To think that Phil Knight and Division Street/Oregon isn't doing the same thing or more, is just denial. You're full of sh$t. FL had nothing to do with that "offer". It was a booster and they or NIL organizations can't "sign" anyone. Your a rumor monger and love to create controversy with exaggerated BS. It's your MO as you live to try to garner attention. Facts... NIL deals are 80%+ merch based... not some bag of cash. Merch deals have inflated retail values. NIL deals aren't school offers and as with FSU can't be inducements to sign with a program. The large NIL deals are the miniscule exception to the typical 4 figure NIL deals reported by AD across the country. Your posts are laughable. And, to wit "poor" suffering, behind the NIL 8-ball OSU recruiting in the same ranking window as normal before and after NIL began. And, comparably have done better in the portal players coming in. Take your catastrophizing somewhere else. Your constant need for histrionics isn't needed, nor is it serving your need to be bmoc. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2024 9:47:12 GMT -8
It's a composite taken from known NIL deals, reported NIL team stipends, internet rumor and common sense projections. I understand some people have a problem with it, but I think it's pretty accurate. *edit* If Florida gave the 7th ranked 2023 QB a $13M NIL deal, are my numbers really that unreasonable? Florida didn’t. Using something that didn’t occur to make your point. Nice. And those On3 numbers have no factual basis behind them. They’re just guesstimates. AND most know that site is like People magazine of athletic sites! Composites made from rumor, internet projections, then of course common sense! FFS... sure he read his own stuff?Lol... |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 20, 2024 9:47:25 GMT -8
The On3 numbers aren't legit or useful. They were never factored into the equation.
People here are smart enough to realize the unofficial connection between an NIL collective and the school. To deny this is foolish.
Lastly, the $13M deal was made with Rashada, it was official, it was just broken later.
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