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Post by beaverology on Jan 18, 2024 9:53:15 GMT -8
Judge: I'll stand by the use of the word and maybe you should familiarize yourself with the recruitment of Sabrina, Eddie and former OSU coach Mark Campbell. Eddie? The fact that you don't know who Eddie is, says a lot. If you don't want to research it, fine. If I find the time, I'll summarize it. Gotta go to work now.
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Post by beaverology on Jan 18, 2024 9:54:03 GMT -8
The Oregon ducks have the top payroll in all of CFB (and MBB too) which allows them to skim any recruit from the state of Oregon they want. OSU is powerless to do anything. Pritchard, Bittle, Shelstad, etc. This has a huge effect of local kids from the Beaver State. Again, it's not something Ralph and Jimmy had to worry about. Today is a different story. Again, you are just throwing s%#t out there. You have no proof of that. Pritchard, Bittle and Shelstad all went to uo because they have a much better program. Pritchard went there before NIL was a thing. Bittle wouldn't have come here even if we were good. His dad is a huge duck honk and always has been. He would have never let his son go to OSU. Before NIL, there was a thing called a bribe. All the Oregon kids who committed to UO over OSU in the last 20 years? Even the kids who had OSU and Oregon in their final Top 5. People are in a huge level of denial here. Wow.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2024 9:55:14 GMT -8
Again, you are just throwing s%#t out there. You have no proof of that. Pritchard, Bittle and Shelstad all went to uo because they have a much better program. Pritchard went there before NIL was a thing. Bittle wouldn't have come here even if we were good. His dad is a huge duck honk and always has been. He would have never let his son go to OSU. Before NIL, there was a thing called a bribe. Yes, we got in trouble for illegal benefits in the early 80's......it has nothing to do with your claim that they have they largest NIL, but with no proof.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2024 9:56:06 GMT -8
The fact that you don't know who Eddie is, says a lot. If you don't want to research it, fine. If I find the time, I'll summarize it. Gotta go to work now. If your talking about Sabrina's brother, he was a garbage player and his name is spelled Eddy.
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Post by beaverology on Jan 18, 2024 9:58:01 GMT -8
What proof would you accept? There's nothing to make you say "Okay, I was wrong."
Oregon was caught bribing Lache Seastrunk with Willie Lyles back in 2011. They were punished. Do you deny this? The amount was $25,000.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2024 9:59:05 GMT -8
What proof would you accept? There's nothing to make you say "Okay, I was wrong." Oregon was caught bribing Lache Seastrunk with Willie Lyles back in 2011. They were punished. Do you deny this? The amount was $25,000. That has nothing to do with your claim that uo has the largest NIL payroll for football and MBB.
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Post by beaverology on Jan 18, 2024 9:59:27 GMT -8
The fact that you don't know who Eddie is, says a lot. If you don't want to research it, fine. If I find the time, I'll summarize it. Gotta go to work now. If your talking about Sabrina's brother, he was a garbage player and his name is spelled Eddy. Bring out the spelling police, you're either ignorant or in denial about the facts about Sabrina's recruitment.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 18, 2024 10:00:11 GMT -8
Ummm. OK. Duly noted. FB and MBB will be challenging going forward. I don't think anyone is denying that.
You drug other sports into the conversation, and I don't think the comparison (for the majority of athletes...let's say 95%+...) is as pronounced as you are portraying it to be. I'm open to a dialogue, but using 1 example that is not even in the NIL era seems weak. Which OSU athlete(non FB/MBB)...that played on an OSU team for a year or more...has left for a bag of money?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 18, 2024 10:43:56 GMT -8
Taylor probably made a mistake (IMHO). He committed to St. John's early in the Pitino transition process, when lots of PT looked probable. Now he's been recruited over and won't play anywhere near as much as he would here. Plus he has to live in Queens.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 18, 2024 12:18:21 GMT -8
Lucas says he is getting a lot more money in Nevada. I don't remember reading anything about Taylor saying money is the reason he changed his mind on OSU but, really, do you think he developed a Mets fetish? As a guess, until we increase our payroll to about $1M/year, it's going to be difficult to get out of the bottom of the old PAC. I'm guessing we will have to increase our commitment to even be consistently in the top half of the WCC.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 18, 2024 12:34:39 GMT -8
If NIL is the excuse today for MBB what was the excuse for tinkle and team before the NIL? It's like some want to pretend that under tinkle prior to NIL the team was .500 and more and after NIL the team sunk. Come on don't you know... past program history makes this job untenable. No chance anyone would want this job let alone succeed in having a respectable overall record. I mean under 3% (1-34 I believe?) on the road/neutral since E8 season (11-40 with that anomaly) that was supposed to be a boon to recruiting/the program. For some, WT is and always will be the best option, the program is unfixable cuz we do not pout more $$ into a program that is 29 games under .500 overall (136-165) and 55 under .500 in conference play (59-114). Every season there is repeated and new excuses for the low expectations. It's just par for the course. Of course it is athletics, and OSU could come out shooting lights out, Utah have an off night. Same in Boulder... and then of course we'll have to hear how the program has turned the corner... AGAIN.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 18, 2024 12:50:59 GMT -8
If NiL is the excuse for players leaving why did Hollins and Mclaughlin and others leave? Don't forget Warren who really blossomed under different coaching. There have been multiple seasons where players rumors, coaching statements, and even some player comments that show the locker room atmosphere has not been the best. It began way back with the supposed "special treatment" given coaches' sons. I know it was an issue in some players leaving. But the exodus after a E8 shows there is something amiss more than just x's & o's. And, as in most programs the "issues" are generally never just one thing. The first, thing that caught my attention was the lack of buy in to other top tier recruits when other 4/5* players were interested/signed. Although coaches' sons, kids of that type usually have some influence/pull on other elite players. Those signings and couple seasons of play really drew no significant interest even after tw0 19 win seasons and a tourney berth. That to me was the beginning of wondering about the future with Wayne. The rest has played out as feared... poor recruiting... poor schemes (mainly on offense), poor locker room atmosphere, and overall inconsistency. I'll never say I'd know what would have happened, but one has to wonder if the GAG era hadn't of happened would WT be here. Getting football on track was the #1 priority by far. Even though MBB was limping along it took a seat far in the rear, right or wrong. The E8 gave the AD hope the wait paid off before they were forced to fix the issue. The mistake was the extension... WT was going no where. And, if he did, the program had the bodies (before the exodus was known) and recent success to draw decent applicants. Anyway... in a repeat of sorts, the football program is again the #1 priority for the next couple years. But this time I'm not seeing anything close to an E8 type run, nor a similar national situation where it happened. If this season continues downhill I do not envy Barnes. He'll be in a tough situation as OSU really can't afford $8.7 million to buy out. But, they also can't afford to pay $8.7 million over 3 years for a "WCC" coach.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 18, 2024 12:53:24 GMT -8
Again, you are just throwing s%#t out there. You have no proof of that. Pritchard, Bittle and Shelstad all went to uo because they have a much better program. Pritchard went there before NIL was a thing. Bittle wouldn't have come here even if we were good. His dad is a huge duck honk and always has been. He would have never let his son go to OSU. Before NIL, there was a thing called a bribe. All the Oregon kids who committed to UO over OSU in the last 20 years? Even the kids who had OSU and Oregon in their final Top 5. People are in a huge level of denial here. Wow. LOL... do you make up as much BS while at work too?? You lose all credibility here with all the plain made up BS. Not that you post much that is "credible" to begin with. Just stop with you made up crap. Post it as a crazy opinion... but not as some known fact. Stick to your cut & paste game summaries.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 18, 2024 13:00:19 GMT -8
Lucas says he is getting a lot more money in Nevada. I don't remember reading anything about Taylor saying money is the reason he changed his mind on OSU but, really, do you think he developed a Mets fetish? As a guess, until we increase our payroll to about $1M/year, it's going to be difficult to get out of the bottom of the old PAC. I'm guessing we will have to increase our commitment to even be consistently in the top half of the WCC. And you really think the numbers thrown out on here or a=other rumor sites are fact? More than OSU means over $5k. And as Nevada's AD stated in an article that I posted quotes, similar to Kansas, they have NO 6 figure NIL deals. That 80%+ are merch deals that people turn into $ amounts. Nevada's NIL is almost 70% toward football. That said... do you think either player leaves if they are in a highly successful program? St John's had the pull of a new staff and great tradition. Nevada MBB has been far more successful and give Lucas postseason opportunities with a much better coach/staff. But, the question remains... IF WT did not have such a poor overall program would they have been as apt to leave? Folks seem to think it is "only" NIL... when some players just want more PT. Others like the two you mention have the PT, but maybe they also want to be in a better program and gain some $. Maybe???
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2024 13:08:12 GMT -8
If NiL is the excuse for players leaving why did Hollins and Mclaughlin and others leave? Don't forget Warren who really blossomed under different coaching. There have been multiple seasons where players rumors, coaching statements, and even some player comments that show the locker room atmosphere has not been the best. It began way back with the supposed "special treatment" given coaches' sons. I know it was an issue in some players leaving. But the exodus after a E8 shows there is something amiss more than just x's & o's. And, as in most programs the "issues" are generally never just one thing. The first, thing that caught my attention was the lack of buy in to other top tier recruits when other 4/5* players were interested/signed. Although coaches' sons, kids of that type usually have some influence/pull on other elite players. Those signings and couple seasons of play really drew no significant interest even after tw0 19 win seasons and a tourney berth. That to me was the beginning of wondering about the future with Wayne. The rest has played out as feared... poor recruiting... poor schemes (mainly on offense), poor locker room atmosphere, and overall inconsistency. I'll never say I'd know what would have happened, but one has to wonder if the GAG era hadn't of happened would WT be here. Getting football on track was the #1 priority by far. Even though MBB was limping along it took a seat far in the rear, right or wrong. The E8 gave the AD hope the wait paid off before they were forced to fix the issue. The mistake was the extension... WT was going no where. And, if he did, the program had the bodies (before the exodus was known) and recent success to draw decent applicants. Anyway... in a repeat of sorts, the football program is again the #1 priority for the next couple years. But this time I'm not seeing anything close to an E8 type run, nor a similar national situation where it happened. If this season continues downhill I do not envy Barnes. He'll be in a tough situation as OSU really can't afford $8.7 million to buy out. But, they also can't afford to pay $8.7 million over 3 years for a "WCC" coach. I agree with a lot of what you said, but I do think the AD's hand was forced to give him an extension after the E8 run. Not doing that would have created a lot of doubt with future coaches taking the job. The AD has to reward the coach for that run. Should it have been shorter? Maybe. I also think that WT has decent offensive schemes. The issue is that he has had difficulty getting his players to run them and that is on him. I don't know if that's an issue of depth, but if the guys that are on the court aren't running the O, they should be on the bench. The one big coaching issue that I have with him is with out-of-bounds plays. They are terrible and we always have a difficult time getting the ball in bounds. His also does have issues controlling the locker room. This was never more evident than the clowns he brought in for 21-22. The only one left that is decent is Dexter. The other guys pissed off the likes of Lucas, Taylor and Rand, who were not part of the problem. Taylor hung on for 1 more year, Lucas and Rand both left due to the atmosphere. It was not due to $$. Lucas later got more money at Nevada, but that is not why he left. I like WT as a person and I still think he is a slightly above average coach. But, if you can't get players to listen to you, you're a below average recruiter and you produce a dumpster fire in 21-22 after an E8 run, it's time for us to look elsewhere. He may get 1 more year due to his contract, but if he loses Pope and/or Tyler, Michael.....etc., it's not going to be any better next year.
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