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Post by rgeorge on Jan 12, 2024 16:22:44 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the 2021 team could hold a candle to Ralph's teams in '80-'82 is plum bat sh&t crazy. Could care less about the NCAA results as different eras are just that. But, those teams were some much more talented and well coached it would be an embarrassment to watch as WT''s team would go scoreless for 4-5 min multiple times. Sort like now. Wonder if the current guards could actually get the ball across half court vs their pressure?!
FFS... folks want to argue WT''s recruiting ability as good. Really? Look at his record. Good recruiter must be the worst coach in history of the game to win 1 of his last, what, 22 road games? To be 136-165 (.452) overall, 59-114 (.341) in conference play... 7-38 in Pac12 play since the "program changing E8" run. All for about $10.4 mil over these last 3+ years
Yeah... effing fantastic recruiting. Coaching. Player development.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 12, 2024 16:38:18 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the 20121 team could hold a candle to Ralph's teams in '80-'82 is plum bat sh&t crazy. Could care less about the NCAA results as different eras are just that. But, those teams were some much more talented and well coached it would be an embarrassment to watch as WT''s team would go scoreless for 4-5 min multiple times. Sort like now. Wonder if the current guards could actually get the ball across half court vs their pressure?! FFS... folks want to argue WT''s recruiting ability as good. Really? Look at his record. Good recruiter must be the worst coach in history of the game to win 1 of his last, what, 22 road games? To be 136-165 (.452) overall, 59-114 (.341) in conference play... 7-38 in Pac12 play since the "program changing E8" run. All for about $10.4 mil over these last 3+ years Yeah... effing fantastic recruiting. Coaching. Player development. I doubt anyone here will be alive in 20121 to verify that for you. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 12, 2024 16:43:42 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the 20121 team could hold a candle to Ralph's teams in '80-'82 is plum bat sh&t crazy. Could care less about the NCAA results as different eras are just that. But, those teams were some much more talented and well coached it would be an embarrassment to watch as WT''s team would go scoreless for 4-5 min multiple times. Sort like now. Wonder if the current guards could actually get the ball across half court vs their pressure?! FFS... folks want to argue WT''s recruiting ability as good. Really? Look at his record. Good recruiter must be the worst coach in history of the game to win 1 of his last, what, 22 road games? To be 136-165 (.452) overall, 59-114 (.341) in conference play... 7-38 in Pac12 play since the "program changing E8" run. All for about $10.4 mil over these last 3+ years Yeah... effing fantastic recruiting. Coaching. Player development. I doubt anyone here will be alive in 20121 to verify that for you. Good point... but WT will not be either, so I guess there is a better chance the teams would be more competitive! |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 12, 2024 16:54:31 GMT -8
I remember I didn't watch the OSU Lamar game. Assumed it was in the bag, no way we'd lose the first game. When we found out, my entire neighborhood was stunned. Still remember the shock and sadness.
Next year, I remember Rolando Blackman hitting that shot, and it was over. Again disbelief. I can remember where I was at both times.
Is it really even a question that winning the 2021 Pac12 tournament was way better than those stunning losses? Then the march thru the NCAA tournament. We were underdogs every game and just like the Pac12 tournament, nobody gave us a chance. Far and away much better memories.
If you disagree, I understand. Also, as mentioned, some of those post seasons have been scrubbed by the NCAA so they're technically not available to select.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 12, 2024 17:00:53 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the 20121 team could hold a candle to Ralph's teams in '80-'82 is plum bat sh&t crazy. Could care less about the NCAA results as different eras are just that. But, those teams were some much more talented and well coached it would be an embarrassment to watch as WT''s team would go scoreless for 4-5 min multiple times. Sort like now. Wonder if the current guards could actually get the ball across half court vs their pressure?! FFS... folks want to argue WT''s recruiting ability as good. Really? Look at his record. Good recruiter must be the worst coach in history of the game to win 1 of his last, what, 22 road games? To be 136-165 (.452) overall, 59-114 (.341) in conference play... 7-38 in Pac12 play since the "program changing E8" run. All for about $10.4 mil over these last 3+ years Yeah... effing fantastic recruiting. Coaching. Player development. I doubt anyone here will be alive in 20121 to verify that for you.  |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 13, 2024 2:37:00 GMT -8
I remember I didn't watch the OSU Lamar game. Assumed it was in the bag, no way we'd lose the first game. When we found out, my entire neighborhood was stunned. Still remember the shock and sadness. Next year, I remember Rolando Blackman hitting that shot, and it was over. Again disbelief. I can remember where I was at both times. Is it really even a question that winning the 2021 Pac12 tournament was way better than those stunning losses? Then the march thru the NCAA tournament. We were underdogs every game and just like the Pac12 tournament, nobody gave us a chance. Far and away much better memories. If you disagree, I understand. Also, as mentioned, some of those post seasons have been scrubbed by the NCAA so they're technically not available to select. They’re available to select. We’re fans talking Beaver teams, not the NCAA compliance committee. If Kansas St had been declared ineligible for that game 10 years later would that have wiped away your disbelief, shock and sadness? |
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Post by takethatbeav on Jan 13, 2024 6:52:40 GMT -8
I can promise Pope, Dexter and Chol will not be here next year
I can 75% promise that Rataj, Bilodeau and Ibekwe will take NIL
Stevens probably transferring to a smaller school.
This will be a whole new team
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Post by takethatbeav on Jan 13, 2024 7:20:44 GMT -8
Wonderful. As I mentioned other than the four players i mentioned who else has wayne recruited prior to the pac12 blowing up? I'm looking at just high school recruits for this answer. Uh, Pope for one. I also think Bilodeau and Rataj could start on most Pac-12 teams, if not this year, by next. I'm thinking Ndong could be quite a player in 2 years, and we've got some others with potential to be very good players in the future (Marrs, Lake, etc) and I'm thinking Ibekwe is continuing to improve and will be a very solid player for us. Today is not tomorrow. We also have players he successfully recruited here that are playing international Pro ball, nothing to sneer at. The last 2 classes have set this team up for a potentially solid future. Whether he can keep them together or not has yet to be seen. I'm hoping they stick around and continue to improve. Edit: Among the players that transferred out who've done well, Warren Washington is on like team number 4 now and will quite probably play pro somewhere at some point. Tinkle recruited him, first, he just has never stuck with anyone but did make the All Pac-12 defensive team last year. It'll be curious to see if Taylor Jr. ever really pans out or not. I actually really like the roster quite a bit. I think there are a lot of very talented players here. My 3 gripes, too many guards that can’t score. No guards that are good at drive and dish for easy buckets Our defense inside is lacking |
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Post by takethatbeav on Jan 13, 2024 7:22:58 GMT -8
If a person would take the time to go back and look at the last 5 minutes of the game they will see all the problems with this team in a nutshell.
Edit: last 5 minutes of regulation
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Post by beaverology on Jan 13, 2024 10:47:10 GMT -8
I can promise Pope, Dexter and Chol will not be here next year I can 75% promise that Rataj, Bilodeau and Ibekwe will take NIL Stevens probably transferring to a smaller school. This will be a whole new team What if Dam Nation "Martinez's" Pope and gives him a bag? What if Dam Nation provides for Rataj, Tyler and KC and stops them from leaving? Pope could be expensive, the rest are probably doable. "whole new team"? We'll see. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 13, 2024 12:41:46 GMT -8
I can promise Pope, Dexter and Chol will not be here next year I can 75% promise that Rataj, Bilodeau and Ibekwe will take NIL Stevens probably transferring to a smaller school. This will be a whole new team What if Dam Nation "Martinez's" Pope and gives him a bag? What if Dam Nation provides for Rataj, Tyler and KC and stops them from leaving? Pope could be expensive, the rest are probably doable. "whole new team"? We'll see. You realize the average NIL at OSU is in the $5k range as of June of 2023? And that number is skewed by Jade's NIL that was in place before arriving. The OSU collectives do not have "bags", not are they giving anything close to a "bag" to a single MBB player in a program that is at or near the bottom of the Pac12. Football runs the show and always will. Football will garner the vast majority of NIL and from the actual numbers reported by other schools it is the same elsewhere. Kansas hoops has a few "5-figure" NIL deals... none in 6 figures as reported by their AD. There is not "bags" of money for most hoop programs and 80% of all NIL deals are merch based. Foreign players like MR can easily make more money at home playing in the lower professional leagues. If a player like him wants $$ that is his best bet. Pope is a good D1 player. He is not a difference maker in terms of lifting a team (like the last two) into the top tier of a conference. Nor does he seem to be a draw to attract other players. If Pope wants to be on a tourney team he will head likely head closer to home. Who knows if he or others will or want to stay. But, WT certainly has not built a program that makes it a tough decision to leave. But, "whole new team" is not far fetched. I mean what happened after the supposed program changing E8 run? |
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Post by 93beav on Jan 13, 2024 13:29:35 GMT -8
What if Dam Nation "Martinez's" Pope and gives him a bag? What if Dam Nation provides for Rataj, Tyler and KC and stops them from leaving? Pope could be expensive, the rest are probably doable. "whole new team"? We'll see. You realize the average NIL at OSU is in the $5k range as of June of 2023? And that number is skewed by Jade's NIL that was in place before arriving. The OSU collectives do not have "bags", not are they giving anything close to a "bag" to a single MBB player in a program that is at or near the bottom of the Pac12. Football runs the show and always will. Football will garner the vast majority of NIL and from the actual numbers reported by other schools it is the same elsewhere. Kansas hoops has a few "5-figure" NIL deals... none in 6 figures as reported by their AD. There is not "bags" of money for most hoop programs and 80% of all NIL deals are merch based. Foreign players like MR can easily make more money at home playing in the lower professional leagues. If a player like him wants $$ that is his best bet. Pope is a good D1 player. He is not a difference maker in terms of lifting a team (like the last two) into the top tier of a conference. Nor does he seem to be a draw to attract other players. If Pope wants to be on a tourney team he will head likely head closer to home. Who knows if he or others will or want to stay. But, WT certainly has not built a program that makes it a tough decision to leave. But, "whole new team" is not far fetched. I mean what happened after the supposed program changing E8 run? If that were true, about NIL, and I'm not saying it isn't - wouldn't that mean for as little as $125K or so, we could buy a whole new team? (5 players x $25K a piece) I'd have to believe that $125K as a target for a Beaver collective + past athletes would be fairly obtainable (and yes, I realize that's every year but if the first year turned out well....) The only question I'd have is do you want to go through the effort, get the money, and have it potentially wasted by Tinkle coached teams? |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 13, 2024 13:38:28 GMT -8
You realize the average NIL at OSU is in the $5k range as of June of 2023? And that number is skewed by Jade's NIL that was in place before arriving. The OSU collectives do not have "bags", not are they giving anything close to a "bag" to a single MBB player in a program that is at or near the bottom of the Pac12. Football runs the show and always will. Football will garner the vast majority of NIL and from the actual numbers reported by other schools it is the same elsewhere. Kansas hoops has a few "5-figure" NIL deals... none in 6 figures as reported by their AD. There is not "bags" of money for most hoop programs and 80% of all NIL deals are merch based. Foreign players like MR can easily make more money at home playing in the lower professional leagues. If a player like him wants $$ that is his best bet. Pope is a good D1 player. He is not a difference maker in terms of lifting a team (like the last two) into the top tier of a conference. Nor does he seem to be a draw to attract other players. If Pope wants to be on a tourney team he will head likely head closer to home. Who knows if he or others will or want to stay. But, WT certainly has not built a program that makes it a tough decision to leave. But, "whole new team" is not far fetched. I mean what happened after the supposed program changing E8 run? If that were true, about NIL, and I'm not saying it isn't - wouldn't that mean for as little as $125K or so, we could buy a whole new team? (5 players x $25K a piece) I'd have to believe that $125K as a target for a Beaver collective + past athletes would be fairly obtainable (and yes, I realize that's every year but if the first year turned out well....) The only question I'd have is do you want to go through the effort, get the money, and have it potentially wasted by Tinkle coached teams? You can't "buy" teams or players. They have to want to be at OSU. A collective can't (legally) entice recruits... see FSU debacle. The point is once players are enrolled NIL deals become "real". Besides, a whole new team would have to "agree" to amounts if you could entice. But, OSU collectives decide where their $ are best spent. As of now I know one doesn't see MBB as a focus for any "major" deals. |
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