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Jan 8, 2024 19:15:18 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 8, 2024 19:15:18 GMT -8
Good defensive linemen have four attributes. !) Strength. 2) Co-ordination. 3) 10 yard quickness. and 4) hostility. 3b) with great lateral quicks... individual moves & stunts
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Jan 8, 2024 19:23:21 GMT -8
Post by grayman on Jan 8, 2024 19:23:21 GMT -8
Good defensive linemen have four attributes. !) Strength. 2) Co-ordination. 3) 10 yard quickness. and 4) hostility. I would bump that up to 20-yard quickness nowadays. So many speedy QBs to run down.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 8, 2024 20:24:37 GMT -8
Good defensive linemen have four attributes. !) Strength. 2) Co-ordination. 3) 10 yard quickness. and 4) hostility. 5) Size. I don't care how much they have of the first 4. If they weigh 200 they are getting murdered.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:30:13 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 8, 2024 20:30:13 GMT -8
Good defensive linemen have four attributes. !) Strength. 2) Co-ordination. 3) 10 yard quickness. and 4) hostility. 5) Size. I don't care how much they have of the first 4. If they weigh 200 they are getting murdered. If they weigh 200 tell me what D1/P5 school is recruiting them as a DL!? So, probably ot an issue.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:37:12 GMT -8
Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 8, 2024 20:37:12 GMT -8
I agree on Collins. At least from what I've heard, he's got that quickness and athleticism that might set him apart. But the Beavers had James Rawls (6-2, 284), Semisi Saluni (6-3, 286), Isaac Hodgins (6-0, 270) and Joe Golden (6-5, 290) getting a fair amount of playing time. I'm not saying they were bad or anything, but that's a pretty light D-line. So I'm looking forward to seeing an OSU D-line with some legit bulk. Ya that’s why I’m wondering if they felt the need for more beef or that’s what Tuiaki and Heyward want or what. But I’m all for it. I’ve said I really like Tuiaki and I’m excited to see what him and the DL bring next year. I think it was more of a case of misses and the S&T staff. Many of our players lost weight after coming to OSU but were in much better health and endurance was up. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys slim down 10-15 but thats fine as long as its intentional and for a purpose. We also just missed on DL all the time. Its an extremely hard position to recruit and most of our starters over the Smith tenure over 280 lbs were transfers or JC (Rawls, Shippen, Golden, Reichner, Whittley, Sandberg, Gumbs, Taylor, Schad)
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Jan 8, 2024 21:45:03 GMT -8
Post by grayman on Jan 8, 2024 21:45:03 GMT -8
Ya that’s why I’m wondering if they felt the need for more beef or that’s what Tuiaki and Heyward want or what. But I’m all for it. I’ve said I really like Tuiaki and I’m excited to see what him and the DL bring next year. I think it was more of a case of misses and the S&T staff. Many of our players lost weight after coming to OSU but were in much better health and endurance was up. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys slim down 10-15 but thats fine as long as its intentional and for a purpose. We also just missed on DL all the time. Its an extremely hard position to recruit and most of our starters over the Smith tenure over 280 lbs were transfers or JC (Rawls, Shippen, Golden, Reichner, Whittley, Sandberg, Gumbs, Taylor, Schad) Yeah and basically everyone that Bray and his coaches bring in are going to have to be transfers this offseason. It's just interesting that they are bringing in several bigger guys. Certainly seems like that is a focus for them. Although the Smith staff did have a few guys that were at or over 300 pounds, those guys really didn't play much at all. Rawls came in at like 264, gained to 294 and then slimmed down to play (284 this fall). Golden was 290. Schad was 288. Cody Anderson 282. Reichner 273, Hodgins 270, Saluni 286. The biggest DL to play in the last three years or so was Sandberg at 295 and he looked like a bodybuilder. Shippen has barely seen the field. Whittley wound up leaving. Gumbs was an edge guy, not a DT. Maybe it's a coincidence (Elu Aydon and Whittley both played in 2019) but it seems like Smith and his staff had a certain height/weight range that they favored. My guess is Bray and company aren't expecting their incoming transfers to trim down to 285.
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Post by fishbeav on Jan 8, 2024 22:38:08 GMT -8
People emphasize size. How many Beaver fans remember the name Inoke Breckterfield? 5' 11", 235 lbs. PAC 12 defensive player of the year as a defensive down lineman.
I make my point again. Strength, coordination, quickness, and hostility!
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Jan 8, 2024 22:54:05 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 8, 2024 22:54:05 GMT -8
People emphasize size. How many Beaver fans remember the name Inoke Breckterfield? 5' 11", 235 lbs. PAC 12 defensive player of the year as a defensive down lineman. I make my point again. Strength, coordination, quickness, and hostility! Get your point, but football and line play 25+ years ago was a bit different. In today's football he'd be a 3-4 edge LB. Had all the traits but there are guys with size that have all the speed & quicks he had... and more. S&C and athletes have evolved a lot. You can have both... size with all the rest.
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 9, 2024 0:08:58 GMT -8
People emphasize size. How many Beaver fans remember the name Inoke Breckterfield? 5' 11", 235 lbs. PAC 12 defensive player of the year as a defensive down lineman. I make my point again. Strength, coordination, quickness, and hostility! Get your point, but football and line play 25+ years ago was a bit different. In today's football he'd be a 3-4 edge LB. Had all the traits but there are guys with size that have all the speed & quicks he had... and more. S&C and athletes have evolved a lot. You can have both... size with all the rest. No. He wouldn't have the length to play edge in a 3-4. Playing alongside 3 other DL in a 4-3 allowed him to leverage bigger dudes. One of my fav players of all time, but he's not close to a modern edge. Modern edge is 6'3+++.
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Jan 9, 2024 6:24:54 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 9, 2024 6:24:54 GMT -8
Get your point, but football and line play 25+ years ago was a bit different. In today's football he'd be a 3-4 edge LB. Had all the traits but there are guys with size that have all the speed & quicks he had... and more. S&C and athletes have evolved a lot. You can have both... size with all the rest. No. He wouldn't have the length to play edge in a 3-4. Playing alongside 3 other DL in a 4-3 allowed him to leverage bigger dudes. One of my fav players of all time, but he's not close to a modern edge. Modern edge is 6'3+++. I only came into awareness in 1998 for football. What scheme were we running for DL and where was Inoke playing? Plenty of DE in that size range 30 years ago but they are rare today. It is true that if you don't have size you need the other traits in spades. The best modern DL in the NFL is 6'1 284 lbs of muscle and intensity.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jan 9, 2024 7:49:30 GMT -8
The "Fridge" was an anomaly in 1985 when he weighed in "a biscuit shy of 300"
I listened to Rocky Blier (sp) give a speech once and he said the average weight of the Steelers OL when they won their first SB was 225lbs.
Things have evolved.......
Go Beavs!!
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Post by bvrbred on Jan 9, 2024 8:01:37 GMT -8
No. He wouldn't have the length to play edge in a 3-4. Playing alongside 3 other DL in a 4-3 allowed him to leverage bigger dudes. One of my fav players of all time, but he's not close to a modern edge. Modern edge is 6'3+++. I only came into awareness in 1998 for football. What scheme were we running for DL and where was Inoke playing? Plenty of DE in that size range 30 years ago but they are rare today. It is true that if you don't have size you need the other traits in spades. The best modern DL in the NFL is 6'1 284 lbs of muscle and intensity. In 1998 Oregon State was running a 4-3. Brechterfield was not undersized relative to the rest of the defensive line. My memory is Brechterfield actually weighed in the 240s by then, the other end, Braithwaite, was similar size. The guys behind them were even lighter. Inside we had Aaron Wells at 250, Gruele at 270, Sean Ball at 280. I don't remember the first starter on the DL who weighed over 300. It might have been Alvin Smith.
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Post by jrbeav59 on Jan 9, 2024 8:15:02 GMT -8
The "Fridge" was an anomaly in 1985 when he weighed in "a biscuit shy of 300" I listened to Rocky Blier (sp) give a speech once and he said the average weight of the Steelers OL when they won their first SB was 225lbs. Things have evolved....... Go Beavs!! My first Oregon State football game was against Cal in 1958 with my high school football team. I still have the program, there was one player over 200 lbs on either starting lineup, the Cal QB.
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Jan 9, 2024 8:50:40 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 9, 2024 8:50:40 GMT -8
I only came into awareness in 1998 for football. What scheme were we running for DL and where was Inoke playing? Plenty of DE in that size range 30 years ago but they are rare today. It is true that if you don't have size you need the other traits in spades. The best modern DL in the NFL is 6'1 284 lbs of muscle and intensity. In 1998 Oregon State was running a 4-3. Brechterfield was not undersized relative to the rest of the defensive line. My memory is Brechterfield actually weighed in the 240s by then, the other end, Braithwaite, was similar size. The guys behind them were even lighter. Inside we had Aaron Wells at 250, Gruele at 270, Sean Ball at 280. I don't remember the first starter on the DL who weighed over 300. It might have been Alvin Smith. That sounds right. Grant was like 280 and I can't think of a bigger by besides him before Smith. RIP Alvin
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 9, 2024 9:13:17 GMT -8
In 1998 Oregon State was running a 4-3. Brechterfield was not undersized relative to the rest of the defensive line. My memory is Brechterfield actually weighed in the 240s by then, the other end, Braithwaite, was similar size. The guys behind them were even lighter. Inside we had Aaron Wells at 250, Gruele at 270, Sean Ball at 280. I don't remember the first starter on the DL who weighed over 300. It might have been Alvin Smith. That sounds right. Grant was like 280 and I can't think of a bigger by besides him before Smith. RIP Alvin Grant was listed at 255 on the 2000 roster. I remember by the time he did the combine he had bumped up 10-15 pounds at least, think he played at around 280 in the NFL.
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