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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 7, 2024 13:34:23 GMT -8
His contract runs thru 2026-27. Firing WT is the easy part. I'd give him this year and maybe one more year at OSU. Pope will be gone after this year. Maybe Tyler too if he continues to develop. The position of MBB head coach at Oregon State has historically been the worst job in the Pac12 for years (Yes, WSU is a better job). Now with the transfer portal and NIL, it's gotten even worse. Changing conferences brings a new dynamic, but it's a double edged sword. People say there are young, hungry coaches out there wanting the job. I disagree. You typically always disagree... but, this statement is ridiculous. You are really saying there are NO "young, hungry" coaches wanting to be a HC? And, a HC of a P6 team? No matter the current state of affairs, there are young coaches everywhere in EVERY sport waiting for their chances. And the one key characteristic of almost every coach is that they can make a change/difference. It is part of the coaching ego... I can do better than the last guy. And, with OSU the bar is not extremely high. New conference, new connections, new system, new "voice"/enthusiasm... and most of all a salary in the high 6 figures to start with escalation clauses vs extensions. There will be a ton of interested younger coaches... and we do not need an old retread. Buyout could easily be covered in HC/Staff savings. In looking at WCC and similar staff salaries, OSU could save over $2 million per year. While at the same the recruiting budget will be more in line with the new conference as a whole and also has some room to be increased. With Gill on the schedule to get an interior face lift (we'll see?) a new direction is needed. Whether or not it will happen?? But, to say there aren't young assistants and HCs out there that would not want the OSU is crazy talk. He also thinks that WSU is a better job, which it isn’t. |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 7, 2024 13:34:26 GMT -8
Not what I said. There are young hungry coaches out there looking for a chance, but they won't take the OSU MBB job because it's one of the worst jobs in college basketball AND it's a graveyard job. Look: 3 of the last 5 OSU MBB coaches never returned to head coaching again after getting fired. Why is that?
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Post by beaverology on Jan 7, 2024 13:40:35 GMT -8
Look at the NBA players WSU has had drafted compared to OSU in recent years. We've had 1 player selected in the NBA draft since 1998. WSU has had 6 players drafted since 2008. Why is that?
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Post by beaverology on Jan 7, 2024 13:46:35 GMT -8
Look at the recent history of head coach hires with WSU: Tony Bennett and Kyle Smith both stand out. Now look at ours. Nothing really stands out. Why is that? Can a program hire that many bad coaches in a row?
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 7, 2024 13:49:43 GMT -8
You typically always disagree... but, this statement is ridiculous. You are really saying there are NO "young, hungry" coaches wanting to be a HC? And, a HC of a P6 team? No matter the current state of affairs, there are young coaches everywhere in EVERY sport waiting for their chances. And the one key characteristic of almost every coach is that they can make a change/difference. It is part of the coaching ego... I can do better than the last guy. And, with OSU the bar is not extremely high. New conference, new connections, new system, new "voice"/enthusiasm... and most of all a salary in the high 6 figures to start with escalation clauses vs extensions. There will be a ton of interested younger coaches... and we do not need an old retread. Buyout could easily be covered in HC/Staff savings. In looking at WCC and similar staff salaries, OSU could save over $2 million per year. While at the same the recruiting budget will be more in line with the new conference as a whole and also has some room to be increased. With Gill on the schedule to get an interior face lift (we'll see?) a new direction is needed. Whether or not it will happen?? But, to say there aren't young assistants and HCs out there that would not want the OSU is crazy talk. He also thinks that WSU is a better job, which it isn’t. And, shows that a new coach, voice, recruiting chops, system can do after the "Ernie" debacle that was actually worse than CR's tenure. And, at an original amount of $1.4 mil per year for 6 years. Not sure what the 2 year s extension was for in '21. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 7, 2024 13:54:56 GMT -8
Not what I said. There are young hungry coaches out there looking for a chance, but they won't take the OSU MBB job because it's one of the worst jobs in college basketball AND it's a graveyard job. Look: 3 of the last 5 OSU MBB coaches never returned to head coaching again after getting fired. Why is that? LOL... you've never coached or been around coaches have you? Do you think young, hungry coaches look at the former coaches? Retreads do as they want to climb higher than they already are. Young guys want an opportunity to be a HC to be able to prove themselves. Get a grip... past hires do not determine the future of the program. Hiring a coach is not an exact science not a guarantee of success. But, by your logic we just keep paying WT almost $3 mil per year? I believe the he and the staff with bennies are costing over $5 mil/yr. So, since the last hires have sucked: A) you just keep the guy we have; B) absolutely no one else will want the job; Got it... luckily GAG resigned/quit or he'd still be here by your way of thinking! |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 7, 2024 13:57:32 GMT -8
Geez. That does it. I've been convinced we can't do better. Give tinkle a life time contract.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 7, 2024 14:01:18 GMT -8
His contract runs thru 2026-27. Firing WT is the easy part. I'd give him this year and maybe one more year at OSU. Pope will be gone after this year. Maybe Tyler too if he continues to develop. The position of MBB head coach at Oregon State has historically been the worst job in the Pac12 for years (Yes, WSU is a better job). Now with the transfer portal and NIL, it's gotten even worse. Changing conferences brings a new dynamic, but it's a double edged sword. People say there are young, hungry coaches out there wanting the job. I disagree. You typically always disagree... but, this statement is ridiculous. You are really saying there are NO "young, hungry" coaches wanting to be a HC? And, a HC of a P6 team? No matter the current state of affairs, there are young coaches everywhere in EVERY sport waiting for their chances. And the one key characteristic of almost every coach is that they can make a change/difference. It is part of the coaching ego... I can do better than the last guy. And, with OSU the bar is not extremely high. New conference, new connections, new system, new "voice"/enthusiasm... and most of all a salary in the high 6 figures to start with escalation clauses vs extensions. There will be a ton of interested younger coaches... and we do not need an old retread. *******Buyout could easily be covered in HC/Staff savings.******* In looking at WCC and similar staff salaries, OSU could save over $2 million per year. While at the same the recruiting budget will be more in line with the new conference as a whole and also has some room to be increased. With Gill on the schedule to get an interior face lift (we'll see?) a new direction is needed. Whether or not it will happen?? But, to say there aren't young assistants and HCs out there that would not want the OSU is crazy talk. I don't get the logic here. You're saying we can save money by paying Tinkle's remaining contracted salary AND hiring a new Head coach and staff? Unless he's got some buyout clause that on pays him a fraction of his contract that I've never read about, that doesn't make sense until the remaining time on his contract is quite short. IF they can him and have to honor his contract, it ain't gonna save money |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 7, 2024 14:03:09 GMT -8
Look at the recent history of head coach hires with WSU: Tony Bennett and Kyle Smith both stand out. Now look at ours. Nothing really stands out. Why is that? Can a program hire that many bad coaches in a row? Not seeing how Kyle Smith "stands out." Two NIT berths in five seasons. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 7, 2024 14:07:14 GMT -8
Look at the recent history of head coach hires with WSU: Tony Bennett and Kyle Smith both stand out. Now look at ours. Nothing really stands out. Why is that? Can a program hire that many bad coaches in a row? Wait... by your logic Smith should have never been hired as it is a crap job too, just above OSU? So between Bennett and Smith there was the "Boner" era (80-86 / 26-62), followed by "Ernie" (58-98 / 22-68)... I mean now coach should have wanted that dead end, graveyard of a job... WSU Pac12 placing of: 10th, 6th, 8th, 11th, 11th, 8th, 12th, 10th, 11th, 11th OSU Pac12 placing (WT): 7th, 6th, 12th, 10th, 4th, 8th, 6th, 11th, 12th, ?? What's been the better job before Kyle took over at WSU? No reasoning arguing over what is obvious... OSU would have plenty of viable HC candidates. Guaranteed success? Nope, but here is none. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 7, 2024 14:08:14 GMT -8
Is it easier to recruit football players or basketball players? After 5 weeks of becoming head coach Bray has done pretty good. Yet there isn't one basketball committment for next year. Are we that loaded?
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 7, 2024 14:08:50 GMT -8
Look at the recent history of head coach hires with WSU: Tony Bennett and Kyle Smith both stand out. Now look at ours. Nothing really stands out. Why is that? Can a program hire that many bad coaches in a row? Not seeing how Kyle Smith "stands out." Two NIT berths in five seasons. He does compared to Bone and Ernie! |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 7, 2024 14:16:52 GMT -8
You typically always disagree... but, this statement is ridiculous. You are really saying there are NO "young, hungry" coaches wanting to be a HC? And, a HC of a P6 team? No matter the current state of affairs, there are young coaches everywhere in EVERY sport waiting for their chances. And the one key characteristic of almost every coach is that they can make a change/difference. It is part of the coaching ego... I can do better than the last guy. And, with OSU the bar is not extremely high. New conference, new connections, new system, new "voice"/enthusiasm... and most of all a salary in the high 6 figures to start with escalation clauses vs extensions. There will be a ton of interested younger coaches... and we do not need an old retread. *******Buyout could easily be covered in HC/Staff savings.******* In looking at WCC and similar staff salaries, OSU could save over $2 million per year. While at the same the recruiting budget will be more in line with the new conference as a whole and also has some room to be increased. With Gill on the schedule to get an interior face lift (we'll see?) a new direction is needed. Whether or not it will happen?? But, to say there aren't young assistants and HCs out there that would not want the OSU is crazy talk. I don't get the logic here. You're saying we can save money by paying Tinkle's remaining contracted salary AND hiring a new Head coach and staff? Unless he's got some buyout clause that on pays him a fraction of his contract that I've never read about, that doesn't make sense until the remaining time on his contract is quite short. IF they can him and have to honor his contract, it ain't gonna save money Numbers are not exact, but Staff is not on similar contracts/extensions like WT. You save immediately on the difference in staffing. WT's buyout is paid over time. A new HC at say $800k for 5 years is a net savings in staffing. Plus there has been a booster "fund" bandied about for part of WT's buyout. Barnes has been made aware that there is some options available. Some (from one specific arsehole) of it is tied to Gill donations. What ever the finances are, OSU can NOT afford to have an almost $3 mil /yr HC for MBB. Depending on OSU and how contracts are structured there also can be "funding clauses". If the AD budget is drastically reduced, if present, if can invoke clauses to reduce salaries. From my friends in the AD that is exactly what happened during Covid but was disclosed as coaches offering to take cuts. Reductions can be temporary and "reimbursed" or if an ongoing budgetary issue be part of a renegotiated contracts due to revenue constraints. Wilky will have more info on such issues. I know schools districts and some other government agencies have funding clauses. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 7, 2024 15:10:28 GMT -8
Not what I said. There are young hungry coaches out there looking for a chance, but they won't take the OSU MBB job because it's one of the worst jobs in college basketball AND it's a graveyard job. Look: 3 of the last 5 OSU MBB coaches never returned to head coaching again after getting fired. Why is that? Five of the six WSU coaches before Kyle Smith never returned to head coaching after leaving there. Why is that? |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 7, 2024 15:14:25 GMT -8
Not what I said. There are young hungry coaches out there looking for a chance, but they won't take the OSU MBB job because it's one of the worst jobs in college basketball AND it's a graveyard job. Look: 3 of the last 5 OSU MBB coaches never returned to head coaching again after getting fired. Why is that? Five of the six WSU coaches before Kyle Smith never returned to head coaching after leaving there. Why is that? Tony Bennett took a promotion and upgraded. Kyle Smith will too. That's 2 promotions. What coach did that with the OSU job? Ritchie saw his coaching obit being written and got out while he could. He knew he was gonna get fired. He was lucky. |
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