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Post by sparty on Jan 1, 2024 16:41:51 GMT -8
Bvrbooster going for the record of most Women’s basketball comparisons. Silas was a good 2-3 inches taller than Rueck. That is what she said
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Post by nsh03 on Jan 1, 2024 17:03:38 GMT -8
I don't get the negative comments regarding Silas. He was our 1st or 2nd best receiver as I kind of see Gould and him as interchangeable. Yes, he was small so what. At anypoint on the field he could break it for a td. To somehow say well we recruited a 4 star guy that can take his place. Maybe, but probably not. I'd rather rely on a small, quick, fast experienced wide receiver than a receiver with zilch for experience. He is dead to us now. Next man up. If we're going to save "a real Beaver" or "a Beaver for life" for guys who stick around for their entire college career, I feel like we should reserve "dead to us" for guys who do us dirty. SiBo isn't the former, but he's not the latter, either.
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 1, 2024 17:07:25 GMT -8
Come on now let’s not talk s%#t on Silas…getting sick of seeing things like this. Dude was a true competitor who put work in for multiple seasons! Real Beaver! Real Beaver? C’mon now. He’s leaving to go to another school, not the NFL. So he in fact is not a “real Beaver,” but just a dude leaving OSU. Let’s save the “Real Beaver” label for those that stick it out. For those who love OSU and Corvallis so they stay instead of leave. I agree. No shade on Silas personally. I loved his heart and effort and he absolutely was the most reliable receiver. If he could touch it, he caught it. However, anyone claiming to be whatever “for life” as they prepare to leave to join a competitor, is just confusing. “I’m a Nike guy for life” said nobody leaving to work for Adidas. My definition of a Beaver for life is a guy like Oladapo. I can see a pro athlete saying that when they get traded and they don’t have a choice, but by leaving when you do have a choice, it seems something short of genuine. Silas has every right to leave. I don’t bear any animosity toward him at all. I do hate the system we have in college athletics right now, and it feels like it would much more humane and tolerable if everyone leaving would just declare their intentions all at once and get out of dodge, so that we know accurately who will be here in the spring and we can stop this death by a thousand cuts process. OSU did not cause this mess, but it feels like Groundhogs Day for Beaver fans just suffering one disappointing existing roster announcement after another. I’m almost afraid to click on Beaver news, for fear that another solid player is going to proclaim his intent to abandon ship and asking us all to “respect my decision” on his way out the door. I will accept it (what choice do I have, after all?), but I don’t have to like it or necessarily respect it.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 1, 2024 17:09:33 GMT -8
"us" are their certain individuals or a committee that speaks for the entirety of Beaver Nation?
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 1, 2024 18:09:01 GMT -8
Bvrbooster going for the record of most Women’s basketball comparisons. I'll plead guilty to that; it's my favorite OSU sport.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 1, 2024 18:17:42 GMT -8
Bvrbooster going for the record of most Women’s basketball comparisons. I'll plead guilty to that; it's my favorite OSU sport. Yep-I’m just having fun.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 1, 2024 20:18:35 GMT -8
I am not necessarily looking to bash any former Beavers... but our WR core was likely the biggest disappointment this season, as compared to the general pleasant surprise our defense was. . Of everybody we are losing, WR/TE are pretty darn low on my panic meter. We have just landed a 4* WR commit, another one is still in play to my understanding. We have young talent. and to be perfectly honest, Bolden was pretty much an average starting D1 WR. We are losing the about #19 or #20 WR in the Pac-12. Best of luck kid. We have ballers coming in that want to play here. HIs careful consideration was the likelihood he wasn't the #1 WR on this team next year. I found the passing game underwhelming during the Smith regime. Yes, there were times when it excelled and won games. Other times, not so much. As a whole, the quarterbacks were too inconsistent, there were no standouts in the WR group, and there were times when the coaches had such a complete lack of confidence in the passing game that they abandoned it altogether. We didn't have much of a long game under Nolan, Gebbia, or Gulbranson. DJU brought that to the table and that was good. But he also brought some problems that had been noted at Clemson, such as a tendency to hold on to the ball for too long and stretches where he simply could not find receivers that were wide open. Overall, there were too many times when the passing game was a liability under Smith. I'm hoping that the acquisition of a couple of noteworthy WR's and QB's this off-season will bump up the passing game to greater things. I know the Riley years are in the distance past at this point. but I really miss having that true #1 guy on our team. that absolute first read dog. It has been to long since we were rooting for the likes of Chad and TJ, Hass, Newsom, Stroughter, Rodgers and Cooks. Hodgins was our last Alpha. (side note, the Alpha wolve theory is total bulls%#t in actual biology...) I get the emotions and Smith did some good things, but I have to agree he was generally poor at WR in general. Part of it was design of spreading the ball around, but I think spreading the ball around was because we never had a guy that simply won most of the time. We needed scheme to move more than talent. I guess what I am saying is for a lot of years with Smith we lacked a guy we confidently could lean on to just beat his dude and make a play. We made big plays when we schemed up a good play that exploited something. If what I am trying to say makes sense.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 1, 2024 21:02:52 GMT -8
I found the passing game underwhelming during the Smith regime. Yes, there were times when it excelled and won games. Other times, not so much. As a whole, the quarterbacks were too inconsistent, there were no standouts in the WR group, and there were times when the coaches had such a complete lack of confidence in the passing game that they abandoned it altogether. We didn't have much of a long game under Nolan, Gebbia, or Gulbranson. DJU brought that to the table and that was good. But he also brought some problems that had been noted at Clemson, such as a tendency to hold on to the ball for too long and stretches where he simply could not find receivers that were wide open. Overall, there were too many times when the passing game was a liability under Smith. I'm hoping that the acquisition of a couple of noteworthy WR's and QB's this off-season will bump up the passing game to greater things. I know the Riley years are in the distance past at this point. but I really miss having that true #1 guy on our team. that absolute first read dog. It has been to long since we were rooting for the likes of Chad and TJ, Hass, Newsom, Stroughter, Rodgers and Cooks. Hodgins was our last Alpha. (side note, the Alpha wolve theory is total bulls%#t in actual biology...) I get the emotions and Smith did some good things, but I have to agree he was generally poor at WR in general. Part of it was design of spreading the ball around, but I think spreading the ball around was because we never had a guy that simply won most of the time. We needed scheme to move more than talent. I guess what I am saying is for a lot of years with Smith we lacked a guy we confidently could lean on to just beat his dude and make a play. We made big plays when we schemed up a good play that exploited something. If what I am trying to say makes sense. And, really, the same applies to the QB position. OSU had a run of truly high quality college QBs!
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Post by ag87 on Jan 1, 2024 21:58:39 GMT -8
I found the passing game underwhelming during the Smith regime. Yes, there were times when it excelled and won games. Other times, not so much. As a whole, the quarterbacks were too inconsistent, there were no standouts in the WR group, and there were times when the coaches had such a complete lack of confidence in the passing game that they abandoned it altogether. We didn't have much of a long game under Nolan, Gebbia, or Gulbranson. DJU brought that to the table and that was good. But he also brought some problems that had been noted at Clemson, such as a tendency to hold on to the ball for too long and stretches where he simply could not find receivers that were wide open. Overall, there were too many times when the passing game was a liability under Smith. I'm hoping that the acquisition of a couple of noteworthy WR's and QB's this off-season will bump up the passing game to greater things. I know the Riley years are in the distance past at this point. but I really miss having that true #1 guy on our team. that absolute first read dog. It has been to long since we were rooting for the likes of Chad and TJ, Hass, Newsom, Stroughter, Rodgers and Cooks. Hodgins was our last Alpha. (side note, the Alpha wolve theory is total bulls%#t in actual biology...) I get the emotions and Smith did some good things, but I have to agree he was generally poor at WR in general. Part of it was design of spreading the ball around, but I think spreading the ball around was because we never had a guy that simply won most of the time. We needed scheme to move more than talent. I guess what I am saying is for a lot of years with Smith we lacked a guy we confidently could lean on to just beat his dude and make a play. We made big plays when we schemed up a good play that exploited something. If what I am trying to say makes sense. Good explanation - and our best offenses have been when we have two NFL outside receivers. Housh and Johnson and then Cooks and Wheaton. I like Bolden, but his only shot at the NFL is as a return man. Same deal for Gould.
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Post by seastape on Jan 2, 2024 8:14:24 GMT -8
I found the passing game underwhelming during the Smith regime. Yes, there were times when it excelled and won games. Other times, not so much. As a whole, the quarterbacks were too inconsistent, there were no standouts in the WR group, and there were times when the coaches had such a complete lack of confidence in the passing game that they abandoned it altogether. We didn't have much of a long game under Nolan, Gebbia, or Gulbranson. DJU brought that to the table and that was good. But he also brought some problems that had been noted at Clemson, such as a tendency to hold on to the ball for too long and stretches where he simply could not find receivers that were wide open. Overall, there were too many times when the passing game was a liability under Smith. I'm hoping that the acquisition of a couple of noteworthy WR's and QB's this off-season will bump up the passing game to greater things. I know the Riley years are in the distance past at this point. but I really miss having that true #1 guy on our team. that absolute first read dog. It has been to long since we were rooting for the likes of Chad and TJ, Hass, Newsom, Stroughter, Rodgers and Cooks. Hodgins was our last Alpha. (side note, the Alpha wolve theory is total bulls%#t in actual biology...) I get the emotions and Smith did some good things, but I have to agree he was generally poor at WR in general. Part of it was design of spreading the ball around, but I think spreading the ball around was because we never had a guy that simply won most of the time. We needed scheme to move more than talent. I guess what I am saying is for a lot of years with Smith we lacked a guy we confidently could lean on to just beat his dude and make a play. We made big plays when we schemed up a good play that exploited something. If what I am trying to say makes sense. What you say makes perfect sense. It has been since Hodgins that OSU has had a receiver that can be relied on to make the crucial catch. Bolden and Gould are good receivers, but I wouldn't say great. I think our most reliable receiver this past season was Velling. Even at UW, which has more than one excellent receiver, Odunze is still the main man to go to when needed. Smith never recruited that dominant guy. Or perhaps no one coached one of them up to be the dominant guy. But right now I am hoping that we have already signed who could be OSU's next dominant receiver.
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Post by seastape on Jan 2, 2024 8:21:17 GMT -8
I know the Riley years are in the distance past at this point. but I really miss having that true #1 guy on our team. that absolute first read dog. It has been to long since we were rooting for the likes of Chad and TJ, Hass, Newsom, Stroughter, Rodgers and Cooks. Hodgins was our last Alpha. (side note, the Alpha wolve theory is total bulls%#t in actual biology...) I get the emotions and Smith did some good things, but I have to agree he was generally poor at WR in general. Part of it was design of spreading the ball around, but I think spreading the ball around was because we never had a guy that simply won most of the time. We needed scheme to move more than talent. I guess what I am saying is for a lot of years with Smith we lacked a guy we confidently could lean on to just beat his dude and make a play. We made big plays when we schemed up a good play that exploited something. If what I am trying to say makes sense. And, really, the same applies to the QB position. OSU had a run of truly high quality college QBs! Very much agree with this. There were a stretch where most of our starting QBs got at least looks by the NFL, including Anderson, Moore, Canfield and Mannion. Frankly, I might take Moevao over the bulk of Smith's QBs, if not all.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 2, 2024 8:35:05 GMT -8
And, really, the same applies to the QB position. OSU had a run of truly high quality college QBs! Very much agree with this. There were a stretch where most of our starting QBs got at least looks by the NFL, including Anderson, Moore, Canfield and Mannion. Frankly, I might take Moevao over the bulk of Smith's QBs, if not all. Arguably his best QB was Luton who he inherited. And if you look at Luton compared to who Smith has targeted, I don't think Smith goes after Luton if he had the choice.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jan 2, 2024 8:35:41 GMT -8
And, really, the same applies to the QB position. OSU had a run of truly high quality college QBs! Very much agree with this. There were a stretch where most of our starting QBs got at least looks by the NFL, including Anderson, Moore, Canfield and Mannion. Frankly, I might take Moevao over the bulk of Smith's QBs, if not all. Call me bitter, but to the extent that it is our Judas coach's MO, unless he is damn lucky with a recruit or two that are already there, it may be a short trip off of the dock. Sorry, I am hoping he gets exposed in the B1G. As many have said, he will always have his war chest of money, win, lose or draw - I just want him to feel a very small portion of what I think Beaver Nation is feeling right now - hurt, betrayal. For those who wish him success - good for you. Me? Not so much
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Post by obf on Jan 2, 2024 9:01:38 GMT -8
Thanks Silas! You were one of my favorites, and you always made the tough catch and took the blows from DBs. Since he is small it felt like defenders thought they could intimidate him, but he would always pop up and give a primal scream or a first down signal. I for one will miss him a bunch, but also do not bemoan him at all looking to have a big last year of college. The QB situation would (and does) worry me too! I also don't think it is the end of the world for the beavs... Finally, I REALLY appreciate that he waited until AFTER the bowl game to bail on the beavs. Thanks for at least sticking around for the last game of the season
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 2, 2024 10:15:25 GMT -8
I found the passing game underwhelming during the Smith regime. Yes, there were times when it excelled and won games. Other times, not so much. As a whole, the quarterbacks were too inconsistent, there were no standouts in the WR group, and there were times when the coaches had such a complete lack of confidence in the passing game that they abandoned it altogether. We didn't have much of a long game under Nolan, Gebbia, or Gulbranson. DJU brought that to the table and that was good. But he also brought some problems that had been noted at Clemson, such as a tendency to hold on to the ball for too long and stretches where he simply could not find receivers that were wide open. Overall, there were too many times when the passing game was a liability under Smith. I'm hoping that the acquisition of a couple of noteworthy WR's and QB's this off-season will bump up the passing game to greater things. I know the Riley years are in the distance past at this point. but I really miss having that true #1 guy on our team. that absolute first read dog. It has been to long since we were rooting for the likes of Chad and TJ, Hass, Newsom, Stroughter, Rodgers and Cooks. Hodgins was our last Alpha. (side note, the Alpha wolve theory is total bulls%#t in actual biology...) I get the emotions and Smith did some good things, but I have to agree he was generally poor at WR in general. Part of it was design of spreading the ball around, but I think spreading the ball around was because we never had a guy that simply won most of the time. We needed scheme to move more than talent. I guess what I am saying is for a lot of years with Smith we lacked a guy we confidently could lean on to just beat his dude and make a play. We made big plays when we schemed up a good play that exploited something. If what I am trying to say makes sense. I never really thought of Newsom as an Alpha. He was a pretty quiet guy, even after he took over Severenson’s spot on the Tonight Show. Now Newson was a heck of a receiver for OSU.
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