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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 14:45:08 GMT -8
An important part is also the rest of the receiving staff. It's easier to do well if you can't be doubled every play. It's also easier with a fantastic QB.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 17, 2024 14:55:37 GMT -8
I'm betting that if Bolden was transferring from Texas to us pretty much everybody would be overjoyed. But since he left the comments are he wasn't tall enough, not a game changer, etc...I for one am sorry to see him go.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 14:58:57 GMT -8
I'm betting that if Bolden was transferring from Texas to us pretty much everybody would be overjoyed. But since he left the comments are he wasn't tall enough, not a game changer, etc...I for one am sorry to see him go. best hands on we've had since Hodgins, dynamic, cheat code in open space..but he's short. It's a joke, guy can produce and will continue. I'm only mad that now I'm going to want to watch Texas.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 17, 2024 15:07:28 GMT -8
I'm betting that if Bolden was transferring from Texas to us pretty much everybody would be overjoyed. But since he left the comments are he wasn't tall enough, not a game changer, etc...I for one am sorry to see him go. best hands on we've had since Hodgins, dynamic, cheat code in open space..but he's short. It's a joke, guy can produce and will continue. I'm only mad that now I'm going to want to watch Texas. honestly his height is less of an impediment than his physicality. It's a real liability in the running game to have receivers who just are not going to set the edge.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 17, 2024 15:15:52 GMT -8
I'm betting that if Bolden was transferring from Texas to us pretty much everybody would be overjoyed. But since he left the comments are he wasn't tall enough, not a game changer, etc...I for one am sorry to see him go. I think it's natural to be optimistic about new guys where most of what you will see is highlight videos, and also natural to be able to see the flaws in a guy that you have watched closely and enthusiastically on every single play, not just the highlight videos. It's more than just confirmation bias. But the point is just to be realistic about the impact that a guy had while he was here and would have, were he to return. It's not that I wasn't a fan, Silas has been forced to play out of position at OSU. I wish that Oregon State had an Isaiah Hodgins type last year. Then you would have seen Ant in at flanker and Silas in the slot, working vertically on a safety. And he would have been a touchdown scoring machine. Imagine Silas running a skinny post when the safety bites on the play action to Dame. See ya. And with that said, who knows maybe he would have been moved to the slot position next year but I feel like that would be a demotion of sorts. In some ways, the way for him to shine is to go somewhere else where he has a fresh start and has to earn a spot.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 15:29:24 GMT -8
I'm betting that if Bolden was transferring from Texas to us pretty much everybody would be overjoyed. But since he left the comments are he wasn't tall enough, not a game changer, etc...I for one am sorry to see him go. I think it's natural to be optimistic about new guys where most of what you will see is highlight videos, and also natural to be able to see the flaws in a guy that you have watched closely and enthusiastically on every single play, not just the highlight videos. It's more than just confirmation bias. But the point is just to be realistic about the impact that a guy had while he was here and would have, were he to return. It's not that I wasn't a fan, Silas has been forced to play out of position at OSU. I wish that Oregon State had an Isaiah Hodgins type last year. Then you would have seen Ant in at flanker and Silas in the slot, working vertically on a safety. And he would have been a touchdown scoring machine. Imagine Silas running a skinny post when the safety bites on the play action to Dame. See ya. And with that said, who knows maybe he would have been moved to the slot position next year but I feel like that would be a demotion of sorts. In some ways, the way for him to shine is to go somewhere else where he has a fresh start and has to earn a spot. Instead... it was Jack Velling getting 8 TDs up the seam... But you are right, with a different WR dynamic, it probably would of been Bolden.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 17, 2024 15:35:09 GMT -8
I think it's natural to be optimistic about new guys where most of what you will see is highlight videos, and also natural to be able to see the flaws in a guy that you have watched closely and enthusiastically on every single play, not just the highlight videos. It's more than just confirmation bias. But the point is just to be realistic about the impact that a guy had while he was here and would have, were he to return. It's not that I wasn't a fan, Silas has been forced to play out of position at OSU. I wish that Oregon State had an Isaiah Hodgins type last year. Then you would have seen Ant in at flanker and Silas in the slot, working vertically on a safety. And he would have been a touchdown scoring machine. Imagine Silas running a skinny post when the safety bites on the play action to Dame. See ya. And with that said, who knows maybe he would have been moved to the slot position next year but I feel like that would be a demotion of sorts. In some ways, the way for him to shine is to go somewhere else where he has a fresh start and has to earn a spot. Instead... it was Jack Velling getting 8 TDs up the seam... But you are right, with a different WR dynamic, it probably would of been Bolden. You still would have had Velling on the field too for just about every snap. Sheesh imagine the space he would have with Bolden running a clear out route, Hodgins bracketed, and Ant running the fade. That offense would have been 2000-level Beavs, and DJ would be going to the pros.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 16:19:47 GMT -8
Instead... it was Jack Velling getting 8 TDs up the seam... But you are right, with a different WR dynamic, it probably would of been Bolden. You still would have had Velling on the field too for just about every snap. Sheesh imagine the space he would have with Bolden running a clear out route, Hodgins bracketed, and Ant running the fade. That offense would have been 2000-level Beavs, and DJ would be going to the pros. What does it say that in 6 years Smith and crew never landed a major WR difference maker? Harrison was close, I suppose. He is getting his cup of coffee in the NFL, but even he didn't really have the impact on the field in line with history. Bradford was a Anderpants recruit as was Hodgins. Harrison had some flashes. Gould did, obviously we are on 12 pages of Bolden... but 6 years and Smith never got a guy that you really put up there with the lists we were just talking about. It isn't just sour grapes when I say I am just not that sorry. the more you look, the more cracks you see. Particularly when you consider the best offense Smith ever gave us was the 38th ranked scoring offense last year... while Bray delivered us the #16 ranked defense. Looking it up, OSU has the worse offense of any Power-5 team that won 10 or more games last year (16 of them) while having a solidly middle pack defense. No QB he ever recruited and developed was ever seriously considered among the Pac-12 leaders, though I think Chance was starting to look it in 2021. And his WRs were... average. OSU excelled on the OL, with the TE, and in the running game under Smith. But as a former QB himself and OC, I can't honestly say the QB and WR performance left a lot to be desired. I have a lot of excitement for the future. Lots of unknown, and a lot of pressure on a first time OC in Gundy... but a lot to look forward to.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 17:06:56 GMT -8
You still would have had Velling on the field too for just about every snap. Sheesh imagine the space he would have with Bolden running a clear out route, Hodgins bracketed, and Ant running the fade. That offense would have been 2000-level Beavs, and DJ would be going to the pros. What does it say that in 6 years Smith and crew never landed a major WR difference maker? Harrison was close, I suppose. He is getting his cup of coffee in the NFL, but even he didn't really have the impact on the field in line with history. Bradford was a Anderpants recruit as was Hodgins. Harrison had some flashes. Gould did, obviously we are on 12 pages of Bolden... but 6 years and Smith never got a guy that you really put up there with the lists we were just talking about. It isn't just sour grapes when I say I am just not that sorry. the more you look, the more cracks you see. Particularly when you consider the best offense Smith ever gave us was the 38th ranked scoring offense last year... while Bray delivered us the #16 ranked defense. Looking it up, OSU has the worse offense of any Power-5 team that won 10 or more games last year (16 of them) while having a solidly middle pack defense. No QB he ever recruited and developed was ever seriously considered among the Pac-12 leaders, though I think Chance was starting to look it in 2021. And his WRs were... average. OSU excelled on the OL, with the TE, and in the running game under Smith. But as a former QB himself and OC, I can't honestly say the QB and WR performance left a lot to be desired. I have a lot of excitement for the future. Lots of unknown, and a lot of pressure on a first time OC in Gundy... but a lot to look forward to. I think a physical up front running game came first and foremost. The passing game was not meant to be balanced or predominant. Or in other words, we weren't looking to be good, i.e. average at both, the run game was expected to be well above average at the expense of a better passing game. Utah won back to back conference championships and if you compare our rushing and passing stats during those years along with conference standings in those stats, we were very similar. I don't think that was a coincidence, I think it was the mentality and identity JS was wanting to develop. With some MR teams featuring less dominant run blockers, we used the pass to set up the run. Our MO under JS has been the opposite.
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Post by seastape on Jan 17, 2024 19:50:53 GMT -8
You still would have had Velling on the field too for just about every snap. Sheesh imagine the space he would have with Bolden running a clear out route, Hodgins bracketed, and Ant running the fade. That offense would have been 2000-level Beavs, and DJ would be going to the pros. What does it say that in 6 years Smith and crew never landed a major WR difference maker? Harrison was close, I suppose. He is getting his cup of coffee in the NFL, but even he didn't really have the impact on the field in line with history. Bradford was a Anderpants recruit as was Hodgins. Harrison had some flashes. Gould did, obviously we are on 12 pages of Bolden... but 6 years and Smith never got a guy that you really put up there with the lists we were just talking about. It isn't just sour grapes when I say I am just not that sorry. the more you look, the more cracks you see. Particularly when you consider the best offense Smith ever gave us was the 38th ranked scoring offense last year... while Bray delivered us the #16 ranked defense. Looking it up, OSU has the worse offense of any Power-5 team that won 10 or more games last year (16 of them) while having a solidly middle pack defense. No QB he ever recruited and developed was ever seriously considered among the Pac-12 leaders, though I think Chance was starting to look it in 2021. And his WRs were... average. OSU excelled on the OL, with the TE, and in the running game under Smith. But as a former QB himself and OC, I can't honestly say the QB and WR performance left a lot to be desired. I have a lot of excitement for the future. Lots of unknown, and a lot of pressure on a first time OC in Gundy... but a lot to look forward to. Do you think we should be worried about our WR coach?
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Post by nsh03 on Jan 17, 2024 20:14:01 GMT -8
I think a physical up front running game came first and foremost. The passing game was not meant to be balanced or predominant. Or in other words, we weren't looking to be good, i.e. average at both, the run game was expected to be well above average at the expense of a better passing game. Utah won back to back conference championships and if you compare our rushing and passing stats during those years along with conference standings in those stats, we were very similar. I don't think that was a coincidence, I think it was the mentality and identity JS was wanting to develop. With some MR teams featuring less dominant run blockers, we used the pass to set up the run. Our MO under JS has been the opposite. According to Smith, though, the goal really was balance. And many (most?) games, we were close to 50/50 in our play calling. Our passing game did not suffer for lack of opportunity to shine; if anything, we tried too hard to achieve some semblance of balance when the running game was rolling and the passing attack was anywhere from ineffective to an outright liability.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2024 8:24:13 GMT -8
I think a physical up front running game came first and foremost. The passing game was not meant to be balanced or predominant. Or in other words, we weren't looking to be good, i.e. average at both, the run game was expected to be well above average at the expense of a better passing game. Utah won back to back conference championships and if you compare our rushing and passing stats during those years along with conference standings in those stats, we were very similar. I don't think that was a coincidence, I think it was the mentality and identity JS was wanting to develop. With some MR teams featuring less dominant run blockers, we used the pass to set up the run. Our MO under JS has been the opposite. According to Smith, though, the goal really was balance. And many (most?) games, we were close to 50/50 in our play calling. Our passing game did not suffer for lack of opportunity to shine; if anything, we tried too hard to achieve some semblance of balance when the running game was rolling and the passing attack was anywhere from ineffective to an outright liability. 52:48 run:pass this year. Last year was 61:39 run:pass. Last year, only Arkansas, Minnesota, and Mississippi ran more among Power Five teams.
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Post by bvrbred on Jan 18, 2024 9:11:00 GMT -8
What does it say that in 6 years Smith and crew never landed a major WR difference maker? Harrison was close, I suppose. He is getting his cup of coffee in the NFL, but even he didn't really have the impact on the field in line with history. Bradford was a Anderpants recruit as was Hodgins. Harrison had some flashes. Gould did, obviously we are on 12 pages of Bolden... but 6 years and Smith never got a guy that you really put up there with the lists we were just talking about. It isn't just sour grapes when I say I am just not that sorry. the more you look, the more cracks you see. Particularly when you consider the best offense Smith ever gave us was the 38th ranked scoring offense last year... while Bray delivered us the #16 ranked defense. Looking it up, OSU has the worse offense of any Power-5 team that won 10 or more games last year (16 of them) while having a solidly middle pack defense. No QB he ever recruited and developed was ever seriously considered among the Pac-12 leaders, though I think Chance was starting to look it in 2021. And his WRs were... average. OSU excelled on the OL, with the TE, and in the running game under Smith. But as a former QB himself and OC, I can't honestly say the QB and WR performance left a lot to be desired. I have a lot of excitement for the future. Lots of unknown, and a lot of pressure on a first time OC in Gundy... but a lot to look forward to. Do you think we should be worried about our WR coach? Interesting question. Hynson did fine with the receivers he inherited from GAG; Bradford, Hodgins, and Timmy Hernandez. So, if its a problem, it seems unlikely that its one of nuts and bolts coaching. But if you read his bio on the Beaver site, those three guys are the only receivers mentioned in terms of notable achievements. So I wonder about recruiting. I don't know to what extent the decision, for a WR recruit, depens that much on the WR position coach or whether it has more to do with the type of offense being run, the QBs delivering the ball, and the recent success of other WRs in the program (and I haven't even gotten into money). The OC would have to have a role as well I would think. Watching Hyson's press conferences, he seems like a really nice guy; thoughtful, calm, level headed. That may have been why he was selected interim head coach. Is he a salesman? Even if he isn't, Gunderson is going to need to get extensively involved in the recruitment of offensive skill position players if he's going to run the kind of offense he wants to run.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 18, 2024 9:12:56 GMT -8
According to Smith, though, the goal really was balance. And many (most?) games, we were close to 50/50 in our play calling. Our passing game did not suffer for lack of opportunity to shine; if anything, we tried too hard to achieve some semblance of balance when the running game was rolling and the passing attack was anywhere from ineffective to an outright liability. 52:48 run:pass this year. Last year was 61:39 run:pass. Last year, only Arkansas, Minnesota, and Mississippi ran more among Power Five teams. I can think of at least one rushing attempt that shouldn't have happened...
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 18, 2024 9:22:16 GMT -8
As I see it...OSU won 18 games the past two years, one of which shrouded in negativity. Whatever the philosophy was, I'll take the end results.
I don't care what the offensive focus is, so long as we are winning games. I enjoyed Riley's high flying passing offense and JS pound it down their throats grinding offense.
New era. New coach. New Philosophy. Can't wait to see what Bray cooks up.
My expectations for next year are not particularly high. Lots of new faces...transfers who will be getting their first taste of extensive playing time, or playing time at FBS level. See 2023 Colorado (some irony there since 40% of our starting Oline may be CU transfers). Fortunately our schedule will be nowhere near as difficult as CUs was last year.
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