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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 17, 2024 12:43:19 GMT -8
Or…your speed has burned the guy deep a couple of times, so now when you sprint straight out again the db will have to respect that speed by giving a little cushion and you dig, turn and catch the 5 yd pass for a first down. There’s a lot more use for speed than merely streaking down the field. It is practically a kiss of death to be a WR and have a top 40 time. very, very few WR with "elite" 40s pan out. Best guys in the NFL are fast, sure, but they are low 4.4 guys, not these crazy 4.3 and below runners. Tyreek Hill is probably the only elite speed 40 guy to actually pan out as a successful well rounded WR that can do multiple routes and come down with contested passes. And of course our own Brandin Cooks with a very low 4.3 number as well. But the NFL keeps drafting them. and they keep getting John Ross and Henry Ruggs types over and over again. Still salty that my Raiders picked Ruggs over CeeDee Lamb. Was widely known they needed a WR that year and it was supposedly between Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy and Lamb. I was on team Lamb. Salty but not shocked that they just picked the fastest of the 3. Ruggs was actually showing some promise before you know.. the whole manslaughter thing. One other really really fast guy that panned out was DK Metcalf. Ran a 4.33 at the combine. John Ross was a little surprising to me because he did have an incredible senior year stat-wise, so it wasn't just the combine. Think he had 16 or 17 TDs.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 12:46:58 GMT -8
I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. Hass was over 6' Not according to the song. Six foot O, two one O, PAC 10 here we gO.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 12:47:38 GMT -8
Texas might have a super-amazing coaching staff, but it would be wise IMO to not throw your old coaches under the bus. Am I missing part of the quote? Where does he throw OSU coaches (actually mostly now MSU coaches on his side of the ball) under the bus? “What appeals to me about Texas is they have a great staff up there that can help improve my game.” I read that as him saying I’m looking forward to going to a coaching staff where they know much more than the staff at Oregon St. Now I can improve because I’ve topped out at Oregon St since the coaches there don’t have the knowledge to improve my skills. There’s alot better ways to say excited to be at Texas IMO.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 17, 2024 12:48:18 GMT -8
Not according to the song. Six foot O, two one O, PAC 10 here we gO. Don't care about the song. He was listed at 6'1" in college and measured at 6' & 5/8" at the combine.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 12:49:41 GMT -8
Not according to the song. Six foot O, two one O, PAC 10 here we gO. Still love it! But actually it’s “6 foot one, 210…”
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 12:53:46 GMT -8
Not according to the song. Six foot O, two one O, PAC 10 here we gO. Still love it! But actually it’s “6 foot one, 210…” Thanks for posting. I stand corrected, it actually says "six foot one"
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 12:59:53 GMT -8
Am I missing part of the quote? Where does he throw OSU coaches (actually mostly now MSU coaches on his side of the ball) under the bus? “What appeals to me about Texas is they have a great staff up there that can help improve my game.” I read that as him saying I’m looking forward to going to a coaching staff where they know much more than the staff at Oregon St. Now I can improve because I’ve topped out at Oregon St since the coaches there don’t have the knowledge to improve my skills. There’s alot better ways to say excited to be at Texas IMO. I don't read it that way, but if it was a diss on his part, it was a diss on MSU's offensive coaching staff.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 17, 2024 13:42:00 GMT -8
So out of ice storm boredom I went through all of the NFL 53-man rosters and looked for wide receivers 5-9 or shorter. There are 25 wide receivers listed in that range. Twelve are 5-9, nine are 5-8, three are 5-7 and one is 5-6. A bunch of them are clearly on the roster as return specialists first. But not all. One thing that stood out to me is how many cornerbacks are in the 5-8 to 5-10 range. Kind of surprising. Also, I would say shorter running backs are not such a surprise but nearly every team now has at least one guy that is 5-9 or shorter. I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Alexander Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. What have you got against Isaiah Hodgins and Markus Wheaton??? Reggie Bynum?? J-New was a real true 6-1. I think TreShaun Harrison was pretty good, but had limited touches due to the offense. Shane Morales was 6-3 or so.. .who was the guy who transferred to Bama? Richard....? Imani Percoats. Roddy Tompkins. All those dudes were 6-1 or better.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 17, 2024 13:51:15 GMT -8
I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Alexander Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. What have you got against Isaiah Hodgins and Markus Wheaton??? Reggie Bynum?? J-New was a real true 6-1. I think TreShaun Harrison was pretty good, but had limited touches due to the offense. Shane Morales was 6-3 or so.. .who was the guy who transferred to Bama? Richard....? Imani Percoats. Roddy Tompkins. All those dudes were 6-1 or better. Richard Mullaney. Six foot three inches.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 13:52:43 GMT -8
So out of ice storm boredom I went through all of the NFL 53-man rosters and looked for wide receivers 5-9 or shorter. There are 25 wide receivers listed in that range. Twelve are 5-9, nine are 5-8, three are 5-7 and one is 5-6. A bunch of them are clearly on the roster as return specialists first. But not all. One thing that stood out to me is how many cornerbacks are in the 5-8 to 5-10 range. Kind of surprising. Also, I would say shorter running backs are not such a surprise but nearly every team now has at least one guy that is 5-9 or shorter. I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Alexander Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. My view of the general top WRs at OSU in the last 30 years in chronological order (not overall rank) starting about 1996ish. (so no Robb Thomas or Vern Burke, who should in an overall top ranked list). Guys I think were effectively "#1 worthy" even though a couple were on the same team or overlapped. Roddy Tompkins 6'0" 195 Imani Percoats 6'4" 210 Chad Johnson 6'1" 192 TJ Houshmandzadeh 6"2" 203 James Newsom 6' 5/8" 213 Mike Hass 6'1" 210 Sammie Stroughter 5'10" 189 James Rodgers 5'7" 189 Markus Wheaton 5'11" 185 Brandin Cooks 5'10 189 Victor Bolden Jr 5'9" 180 Isaiah Hodgins 6"4" 210 Trevon Bradford 5'9 183 Generally speaking our top WR guy has been pretty close to 6ft. James Rodgers, Bolden (both I guess!) and Bradford really are the notable exception. Stroughter and Cooks are kind of that "almost short" but on the edge category. Shout outs to Richard Mullaney and Shane Morales, but I didn't rank them. Probably should. Mullaney should be up there... whatever, sticking with it.
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Post by grayman on Jan 17, 2024 13:56:08 GMT -8
Mike Hass was measured at 6-0525 at the NFL combine. So a little over a half inch taller that six feet. I've run across people who have Hass as a smaller guy in their memory but he was also over 200 pounds. Not really a small receiver at all. Just not exceptionally tall as in the mode of Isaiah Hodgins.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 13:59:34 GMT -8
I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Alexander Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. What have you got against Isaiah Hodgins and Markus Wheaton??? Reggie Bynum?? J-New was a real true 6-1. I think TreShaun Harrison was pretty good, but had limited touches due to the offense. Shane Morales was 6-3 or so.. .who was the guy who transferred to Bama? Richard....? Imani Percoats. Roddy Tompkins. All those dudes were 6-1 or better. Have no guess on Bynum's Ht. Can not believe I did not include Wheaton, maybe one of the best WR game performances I can recall was him and Cooks at BYU. Loved that game and Wheatons end around, or was it a reverse? play for a TD was icing on the cake. I actually thought of Hodgins, but didn't have a guess on his Ht.
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Post by grayman on Jan 17, 2024 14:24:46 GMT -8
FWIW, Brandin Cooks was measured at 5-0975 at the NFL combine. He had a 40 time of 4.33. Victor Bolden was measured at 5-08 with a 4.54 40 time. Sammie Stroughter was measured at 5-07816 with a 4.54 40 time. James Rodgers was measured at 5-05625 with a 4.61 40. Silas Bolden's 40 is reportedly 4.45 and he ran a 4.47 at the Beaver combine last May (Zach Card ran a 4.32).
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 17, 2024 14:27:25 GMT -8
I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Alexander Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. What have you got against Isaiah Hodgins and Markus Wheaton??? Reggie Bynum?? J-New was a real true 6-1. I think TreShaun Harrison was pretty good, but had limited touches due to the offense. Shane Morales was 6-3 or so.. .who was the guy who transferred to Bama? Richard....? Imani Percoats. Roddy Tompkins. All those dudes were 6-1 or better. Hodgins is 6'4" Wheaton is 5'11" Bynum is 6'1" J-New was measured at the combine to be 6' 0.8" Harrison is 5'11" Morales was listed as 6'1" by Oregon State. Mullaney is 6'3" Percoats is 6'4" Tompkins is 6'0"
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 14:34:31 GMT -8
I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Alexander Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. My view of the general top WRs at OSU in the last 30 years in chronological order (not overall rank) starting about 1996ish. (so no Robb Thomas or Vern Burke, who should in an overall top ranked list). Guys I think were effectively "#1 worthy" even though a couple were on the same team or overlapped. Roddy Tompkins 6'0" 195 Imani Percoats 6'4" 210 Chad Johnson 6'1" 192 TJ Houshmandzadeh 6"2" 203 James Newsom 6' 5/8" 213 Mike Hass 6'1" 210 Sammie Stroughter 5'10" 189 James Rodgers 5'7" 189 Markus Wheaton 5'11" 185 Brandin Cooks 5'10 189 Victor Bolden Jr 5'9" 180 Isaiah Hodgins 6"4" 210 Trevon Bradford 5'9 183 Generally speaking our top WR guy has been pretty close to 6ft. James Rodgers, Bolden (both I guess!) and Bradford really are the notable exception. Stroughter and Cooks are kind of that "almost short" but on the edge category. Shout outs to Richard Mullaney and Shane Morales, but I didn't rank them. Probably should. Mullaney should be up there... whatever, sticking with it. Great list which leaves me thinking when looking it over, just how many exciting players we've had the opportunity to watch play for us. But no Alexander on your list? My takeaway from all this is, we've had highly successful and productive receivers ranging from 5'7 to 6'4. Height alone has not been a significant the determining factor in my view.
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