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Post by grackle on Dec 22, 2023 11:52:17 GMT -8
The ACC is falling apart..Fla. State is going to court to get out of the ACC and the N. Carolinas (+Duke) may not be far behind. Also, I know for a fact that there is huge and significant, campus-wide, dissatisfaction with Cal+ Stanford's crazy hasty decision to join a conference that's 3,000 miles away.
And now that OSU+WSU have bigtime won their lawsuit against the PAC deserters, IMO and FWIW, watch for Cal+ Stanford to start making noises about rejoining the PAC within the next couple of years. Especially if FSU wins its lawsuit.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Dec 22, 2023 11:54:59 GMT -8
In their court filing, FSU specifically pointed to the ACC's questionable decision to add Stanford and Cal instead of the clearly best option in terms of media football appeal: Oregon State.
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Post by grackle on Dec 22, 2023 12:00:17 GMT -8
In their court filing, FSU specifically pointed to the ACC's questionable decision to add Stanford and Cal instead of the clearly best option in terms of media football appeal: Oregon State. /photo/1 Thanks...hadn't realized that OSU was mentioned in the FSU filing. In any case, the Cal-Stanford "back to the PAC" movement is going to snowball. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 22, 2023 12:05:58 GMT -8
If the ACC falls apart, we could offer Stanford and Cal a 70% shave off of whatever payout Pac 12 teams would get on the league's next media deal.
They took that deal to travel to the east coast, they might take it to stay in the west.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2023 12:25:33 GMT -8
The ACC is falling apart..Fla. State is going to court to get out of the ACC and the N. Carolinas (+Duke) may not be far behind. Also, I know for a fact that there is huge and significant, campus-wide, dissatisfaction with Cal+ Stanford's crazy hasty decision to join a conference that's 3,000 miles away. And now that OSU+WSU have bigtime won their lawsuit against the PAC deserters, IMO and FWIW, watch for Cal+ Stanford to start making noises about rejoining the PAC within the next couple of years. Especially if FSU wins its lawsuit. I would point out that Duke is in a different boat than the North Carolinas, because the Eleventh Amendment does not protect them in the same way that it protects the state schools. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 22, 2023 15:01:50 GMT -8
The ACC is falling apart..Fla. State is going to court to get out of the ACC and the N. Carolinas (+Duke) may not be far behind. Also, I know for a fact that there is huge and significant, campus-wide, dissatisfaction with Cal+ Stanford's crazy hasty decision to join a conference that's 3,000 miles away. And now that OSU+WSU have bigtime won their lawsuit against the PAC deserters, IMO and FWIW, watch for Cal+ Stanford to start making noises about rejoining the PAC within the next couple of years. Especially if FSU wins its lawsuit. I would point out that Duke is in a different boat than the North Carolinas, because the Eleventh Amendment does not protect them in the same way that it protects the state schools. Plus it is a really... really weak legal argument to include the one year "ranking" of a football program not being chosen to join as one of the reasons to leave a media contract. So, are they saying if OSU was added instead of or additionally FSU would not have filed? I mean they list numerous other indicators, but everything mentioned was approved by a league vote as per ACC bylaws. Pretty weak legal grounds, and reads a lot like the UW docs. A bunch of gibberish to state we believe we're better than the rest and want to leave. Personally, as with most who chided Cal and Furd, a move to the ACC would be plan stupid. Especially now with control of millions and all future monies. |
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Post by 86BEAVER on Dec 22, 2023 15:10:53 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 22, 2023 15:12:00 GMT -8
Funny, I was going to make the re-joining prediction yesterday. I think both “smart” schools will soon realize they were stupid, not only in joining the ACC for literally no money, but for exiting the PAC so fast that they forgot to read the fine print!
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Dec 22, 2023 15:12:11 GMT -8
Screw stanford and cal. No fricking way we take them back. Their bs helped cause the fall of the pac 12.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 22, 2023 15:21:35 GMT -8
Funny, I was going to make the re-joining prediction yesterday. I think both “smart” schools will soon realize they were stupid, not only in joining the ACC for literally no money, but for exiting the PAC so fast that they forgot to read the fine print! They are getting around 30% of the payout to the other teams in the ACC. SMU is the one getting zero. But, yes, it's still stupid |
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Post by idaho on Dec 22, 2023 15:43:02 GMT -8
Funny, I was going to make the re-joining prediction yesterday. I think both “smart” schools will soon realize they were stupid, not only in joining the ACC for literally no money, but for exiting the PAC so fast that they forgot to read the fine print! They are getting around 30% of the payout to the other teams in the ACC. SMU is the one getting zero. But, yes, it's still stupid I was going to add this very thing... they do not get a full share for 10 years... they will have lost a lot of money by then and on top of the horrendous scheduling for every sport and the massive increase in travel. Can Cal and Stanford actually get out of this or are the they pretty much locked in? I am not sure they have a way to get out if they have already signed off on everything. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 22, 2023 15:47:43 GMT -8
They are getting around 30% of the payout to the other teams in the ACC. SMU is the one getting zero. But, yes, it's still stupid I was going to add this very thing... they do not get a full share for 10 years... they will have lost a lot of money by then and on top of the horrendous scheduling for every sport and the massive increase in travel. Can Cal and Stanford actually get out of this or are the they pretty much locked in? I am not sure they have a way to get out if they have already signed off on everything. They will only be able to get out if FSU wins their case. Otherwise, Cal and Stanford are locked into the same agreement that FSU is trying to get out of. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 22, 2023 15:47:55 GMT -8
You always hear how great an education you get from Stanford and Cal yet the people working there can sure make some stupid decisions.
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Post by idaho on Dec 22, 2023 15:52:56 GMT -8
I was going to add this very thing... they do not get a full share for 10 years... they will have lost a lot of money by then and on top of the horrendous scheduling for every sport and the massive increase in travel. Can Cal and Stanford actually get out of this or are the they pretty much locked in? I am not sure they have a way to get out if they have already signed off on everything. They will only be able to get out if FSU wins their case. Otherwise, Cal and Stanford are locked into the same agreement that FSU is trying to get out of. Good point... creates an interesting scenario that FSU uses Cal and Trees to get out of contract, then Cal and Trees use Cal and Trees to get out of the same contract.  |
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 22, 2023 17:45:18 GMT -8
I know absolutely zip about the agreements that Stanford and Cal signed, but wondering out loud:
Would the agreement call for the same draconian penalties on schools who have not yet officially entered as for those who have been members all along? Even if so, is it really enforceable? Cal and Stanford have zero monies coming from the ACC, so nothing to lose there. Would the ACC want to pursue them legally when they have the FSU thing hanging over their heads? Or would they just say, "OK, after further study, the San Francisco Bay is not fed by the Atlantic Ocean after all; we'll agree this was a bad idea to begin with."
Not that I care whatsoever if Stanford and Cal are hoisted on their own petard; just wondering.
If they wanted to come back, do we let them? Hell, yes. It regains the Northern California market and revives longstanding rivalries nd traditions. But, like the ACC, we don't give them a full share for 10 years.
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