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Post by sparty on Dec 23, 2023 7:07:18 GMT -8
What are their problems beyond what was mentioned above? Florida political “leaders” trying to insert themselves into the National Championship brouhaha in perfomative, ineffectual ways. Florida State’s athletic entitlement complex (haven’t we suffered enough from that with our feathered rivals already???). The arrogance of Florida/Southern football (“It means more here”). Etc. That, the expense of added travel , and the knowledge that they don’t want to honor agreements and will absolutely bail the first chance they get, seems like sufficient enough reason to say “Nope.” So that means we will have to take a hard pass on joining the SEC, Big12 and Big10 in the future. So vetting the members of a new pac will have to be intensive. Be leery of especially Boise State and San Diego State. Btw our leaders in the state of Oregon would never do that sort of thing (eye roll) |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Dec 23, 2023 8:23:02 GMT -8
Florida political “leaders” trying to insert themselves into the National Championship brouhaha in perfomative, ineffectual ways. Florida State’s athletic entitlement complex (haven’t we suffered enough from that with our feathered rivals already???). The arrogance of Florida/Southern football (“It means more here”). Etc. That, the expense of added travel , and the knowledge that they don’t want to honor agreements and will absolutely bail the first chance they get, seems like sufficient enough reason to say “Nope.” It sounds like the Florida political system is working to kill the ACC in nonperformative and effectual ways. Could be. It will be fascinating (In the ways that watching a train wreck is fascinating) to see if the 2 page, "Ironclad" Grant of Rights touted by the ACC will hold up in the dueling court cases in FL and NC. As you noted in another post, it could be the beginning of the end of the whole thing. If FSU were to prevail in their suit, watch other "disrespected" teams (i.e. most of them) look to bail, or threaten to bail, from the Grant of Rights they have signed, some of them quite recently. Either way, it will be a spectacle. Ain't sports fun? |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Dec 23, 2023 8:43:32 GMT -8
It's weird isn't it? Louisville? Ok Florida State? Ok Wake Forest? Ok Clemson? Ok Pittsburgh? Ok North Carolina State? Ok Cal State Fresno? Not on your life Stanford was always a thorn in the Pac-8/10/12's side. Stanford almost blew up the Pac-8 in protest of Arizona and Arizona State being added. And UCLA and USC threatened to blow up the Pac-8 and start up a new one with Arizona and Arizona State and without Stanford in response. Some things change. Some things stay the same. And, IIRC, let's not forget the head of the California Board of Regents (a Cal grad), who was vehemently opposed to Oregon State and Oregon joining the reconfigured conference in the 1960s. Or that Oregon would not have been included at all had Oregon State not stood up for them. Some of us have long memories. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 23, 2023 10:56:19 GMT -8
It sounds like the Florida political system is working to kill the ACC in nonperformative and effectual ways. Could be. It will be fascinating (In the ways that watching a train wreck is fascinating) to see if the 2 page, "Ironclad" Grant of Rights touted by the ACC will hold up in the dueling court cases in FL and NC. As you noted in another post, it could be the beginning of the end of the whole thing. If FSU were to prevail in their suit, watch other "disrespected" teams (i.e. most of them) look to bail, or threaten to bail, from the Grant of Rights they have signed, some of them quite recently. Either way, it will be a spectacle. Ain't sports fun? It's a lot more fun watching the ACC implode than the Pac-12. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 23, 2023 11:44:24 GMT -8
Florida political “leaders” trying to insert themselves into the National Championship brouhaha in perfomative, ineffectual ways. Florida State’s athletic entitlement complex (haven’t we suffered enough from that with our feathered rivals already???). The arrogance of Florida/Southern football (“It means more here”). Etc. That, the expense of added travel , and the knowledge that they don’t want to honor agreements and will absolutely bail the first chance they get, seems like sufficient enough reason to say “Nope.” So that means we will have to take a hard pass on joining the SEC, Big12 and Big10 in the future. So vetting the members of a new pac will have to be intensive. Be leery of especially Boise State and San Diego State. Btw our leaders in the state of Oregon would never do that sort of thing (eye roll) Every school is truly out for themselves. If ur not moving forward, ur getting left behind. We should approach it as such. I'll admit I let emotion get in the way, case in point, playing hole.....my logical brain tells me it helps us, my emotional brain wants to never play those assholes again. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 23, 2023 11:51:06 GMT -8
Could be. It will be fascinating (In the ways that watching a train wreck is fascinating) to see if the 2 page, "Ironclad" Grant of Rights touted by the ACC will hold up in the dueling court cases in FL and NC. As you noted in another post, it could be the beginning of the end of the whole thing. If FSU were to prevail in their suit, watch other "disrespected" teams (i.e. most of them) look to bail, or threaten to bail, from the Grant of Rights they have signed, some of them quite recently. Either way, it will be a spectacle. Ain't sports fun? It's a lot more fun watching the ACC implode than the Pac-12. College football is cut throat......I had to stop looking at MSU stuff completely. Seeing their fans so excited for their "down to earth" "loyal" new coach, and "fine young lads" he's bringing with him, made me want to lash out.....it's almost as if they could give two s%#ts about us! Thing is, they are putting their hopes on a guy who is telling them the same BS he told us. Right now, it's working......if he loses, or bails for a better opp, they will turn on him faster than we did! |
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 23, 2023 12:17:17 GMT -8
So that means we will have to take a hard pass on joining the SEC, Big12 and Big10 in the future. So vetting the members of a new pac will have to be intensive. Be leery of especially Boise State and San Diego State. Btw our leaders in the state of Oregon would never do that sort of thing (eye roll) Every school is truly out for themselves. If ur not moving forward, ur getting left behind. We should approach it as such. I'll admit I let emotion get in the way, case in point, playing hole.....my logical brain tells me it helps us, my emotional brain wants to never play those assholes again. ^This^ For me, there seems to be an inverse relationship between logical brain and emotional brain, as time goes by. The more time, the more logical I can look at playing hole. For right now, I give you this:
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 23, 2023 12:20:17 GMT -8
It's a lot more fun watching the ACC implode than the Pac-12. College football is cut throat......I had to stop looking at MSU stuff completely. Seeing their fans so excited for their "down to earth" "loyal" new coach, and "fine young lads" he's bringing with him, made me want to lash out.....it's almost as if they could give two s%#ts about us! Thing is, they are putting their hopes on a guy who is telling them the same BS he told us. Right now, it's working......if he loses, or bails for a better opp, they will turn on him faster than we did! I give him three years - tops. We shall see! |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 23, 2023 12:45:34 GMT -8
College football is cut throat......I had to stop looking at MSU stuff completely. Seeing their fans so excited for their "down to earth" "loyal" new coach, and "fine young lads" he's bringing with him, made me want to lash out.....it's almost as if they could give two s%#ts about us! Thing is, they are putting their hopes on a guy who is telling them the same BS he told us. Right now, it's working......if he loses, or bails for a better opp, they will turn on him faster than we did! I give him three years - tops. We shall see! With 18 teams and the ability to schedule some weak sisters JS will have to get some conference schedule breaks. I personally don't think he'll be as successful as OSU will be. But, also not sure MSU can afford ($ and publicly) to fire and buyout another failed coach in three years. He stated in so many words he wanted the bigger limelight. But, in not sure he wanted to end up being a behind the stage crew member. They were terrible vs every good team and lost a ton of talent and experience. FAU... pretty bad 4-8 team @ Maryland... pounded them 31-9 at East Lansing Louisiana... 6-7 low tier bowl loser... lost @ Minny in '23 @ BC... 6-6 bowl team, very up and down, 2 pt loss to FSU tOSU... enough said, 38-3 loss in '23 @ Oregon... ditto Iowa... 26-16 loser in '23 one of the biggest outputs for Iowa @ Michigan... nope. 49-0 in '23. And UM was nice Indiana... 24-21 win in '23 @ Illinois... 5-7/3-6 in '23 Purdue... 4-8/3-6 in '23, very comparable scores Rutgers... 24-27 loss @ Rutgers in '23 I could see 6-6/3-6 at best... but I don't keep tabs on the B10 details. I just know MSU wasn't that talented and lost some huge pieces of what they had. I'm afraid Chiles might be running for his life?! |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 26, 2023 15:49:43 GMT -8
College football is cut throat......I had to stop looking at MSU stuff completely. Seeing their fans so excited for their "down to earth" "loyal" new coach, and "fine young lads" he's bringing with him, made me want to lash out.....it's almost as if they could give two s%#ts about us! Thing is, they are putting their hopes on a guy who is telling them the same BS he told us. Right now, it's working......if he loses, or bails for a better opp, they will turn on him faster than we did! I give him three years - tops. We shall see! I think the only way he leaves East Lansing in 3 years or less is if he immediately takes that program to straight 10 win seasons. No way they fire him in that span. But I'm curious to see how much of Oregon State's relative success that he can replicate without Trent Bray. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 27, 2023 9:16:00 GMT -8
I give him three years - tops. We shall see! I think the only way he leaves East Lansing in 3 years or less is if he immediately takes that program to straight 10 win seasons. No way they fire him in that span. But I'm curious to see how much of Oregon State's relative success that he can replicate without Trent Bray. I think you meant he doesn't take his team in East Lansing to 10 win seasons? This was exactly my thought, given the fan base, and expectations, much like Nebby. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2023 10:34:12 GMT -8
I think the only way he leaves East Lansing in 3 years or less is if he immediately takes that program to straight 10 win seasons. No way they fire him in that span. But I'm curious to see how much of Oregon State's relative success that he can replicate without Trent Bray. I think you meant he doesn't take his team in East Lansing to 10 win seasons? This was exactly my thought, given the fan base, and expectations, much like Nebby. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see MSU in the same category as Nebraska fans. I think they will have expectations sure, but they're more UCLA-like in terms of expectations of success. They're going to fire a Karl Dorrell who is leading them to 3 win seasons for sure, but Chip Kelly is coming back for his 7th season despite averaging below 6 wins per season for the first 6 years. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 27, 2023 10:38:18 GMT -8
I think you meant he doesn't take his team in East Lansing to 10 win seasons? This was exactly my thought, given the fan base, and expectations, much like Nebby. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see MSU in the same category as Nebraska fans. I think they will have expectations sure, but they're more UCLA-like in terms of expectations of success. They're going to fire a Karl Dorrell who is leading them to 3 win seasons for sure, but Chip Kelly is coming back for his 7th season despite averaging below 6 wins per season for the first 6 years. I reread your original post. Reading is fundamental  . Your point is the only way he leaves in three years or less is if he is insanely successful, and he leaves on his own because he gets poached/ lured away, corrrect? |
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. Your point is the only way he leaves in three years or less is if he is insanely successful, and he leaves on his own because he gets poached/ lured away, corrrect?