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Post by ag87 on Dec 22, 2023 14:49:53 GMT -8
Oh, what must be going through the minds at Stanford and Cal right now. Should the Pac-2 throw them a lifeline? I don't think they would take it. They would look at the likely path forward for a reconstructed PAC and reject it, because they would refuse to be associated with the California State university system. I know a few Stanford alums and they are vociferous and unanimous in this sentiment. " Stanford and Fresno in the same conference? NO." I expect they will try to buy their way into the Big 10 if the ACC implodes. No idea whay Cal would do, they are so deep underwater in financial terms, I am surprised that they keep athletics around. It's weird isn't it? Louisville? Ok Florida State? Ok Wake Forest? Ok Clemson? Ok Pittsburgh? Ok North Carolina State? Ok Cal State Fresno? Not on your life |
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 22, 2023 14:59:57 GMT -8
I understand it's about money but it's also about getting into the college football playoffs. Is it easier to win the league in the acc or the sec or big ten? ACC. Sure florida state is pissed but they were undefeated in the acc. That ain't gonna happen in either of those other leagues.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 22, 2023 15:11:03 GMT -8
I understand it's about money but it's also about getting into the college football playoffs. Is it easier to win the league in the acc or the sec or big ten? ACC. Sure florida state is pissed but they were undefeated in the acc. That ain't gonna happen in either of those other leagues. I you have to wonder what is precipitating this? I mean FSU not only doesn't control their exit, but entrance to another conference. Decidedly a media contract controls any movement. into. So, has one of the media/conference deals approached them and said, "... if you can extract yourself from the ACC media/GOR contract we will up our payout to the ?? conference so you can get an invite."? Otherwise, if not, what is their plan if they were granted a release from the ACC? |
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Post by castorcanadensis on Dec 22, 2023 15:44:06 GMT -8
I understand it's about money but it's also about getting into the college football playoffs. Is it easier to win the league in the acc or the sec or big ten? ACC. Sure florida state is pissed but they were undefeated in the acc. That ain't gonna happen in either of those other leagues. I you have to wonder what is precipitating this? I mean FSU not only doesn't control their exit, but entrance to another conference. Decidedly a media contract controls any movement. into. So, has one of the media/conference deals approached them and said, "... if you can extract yourself from the ACC media/GOR contract we will up our payout to the ?? conference so you can get an invite."? Otherwise, if not, what is their plan if they were granted a release from the ACC? One would assume the B1G. SEC already has Florida and the B1G would love to have that market, the B1G might also take maybe UNC or Virginia? If Florida gets out of the ACC the decisions Notre Dame makes could be the pivot if the ACC implodes or not. |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Dec 22, 2023 16:28:41 GMT -8
No. We have enough drama to contend with without adding the State of Florida's problems to the mix. HARD PASS. What are their problems beyond what was mentioned above? Florida political “leaders” trying to insert themselves into the National Championship brouhaha in perfomative, ineffectual ways. Florida State’s athletic entitlement complex (haven’t we suffered enough from that with our feathered rivals already???). The arrogance of Florida/Southern football (“It means more here”). Etc. That, the expense of added travel , and the knowledge that they don’t want to honor agreements and will absolutely bail the first chance they get, seems like sufficient enough reason to say “Nope.” |
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Post by grayman on Dec 22, 2023 16:41:13 GMT -8
My guess is Florida State and at least one other school to Big Ten.
When the first domino falls a bunch will follow...two more to SEC.
There could be more going to either conference.
FSU, North Carolina, Virginia and Clemson out along with a few other possibles.
Then it comes down to whether the remaining programs want to continue on as the ACC or some go to the Big 12.
Stanford probably goes independent.
Cal maybe joins Pac. SMU maybe joins Pac.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Dec 22, 2023 16:47:41 GMT -8
I understand it's about money but it's also about getting into the college football playoffs. Is it easier to win the league in the acc or the sec or big ten? ACC. Sure florida state is pissed but they were undefeated in the acc. That ain't gonna happen in either of those other leagues. I you have to wonder what is precipitating this? I mean FSU not only doesn't control their exit, but entrance to another conference. Decidedly a media contract controls any movement. into. So, has one of the media/conference deals approached them and said, "... if you can extract yourself from the ACC media/GOR contract we will up our payout to the ?? conference so you can get an invite."? Otherwise, if not, what is their plan if they were granted a release from the ACC? They think they are a Big Boy, are being disrespected, and want to be paid like it. They are also Bigly mad that the ACC didn’t swing a big enough stick to push Alabama aside in the recent unpleasantness. They want into the SEC, but Florida will pitch a fit about it.—More drama. I can’t imagine them in the Big 27 or whatever they are calling it this week, which would leave the Big 12. Put another way, it’s like junior high drama, but with millions in tv money. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2023 20:18:47 GMT -8
I you have to wonder what is precipitating this? I mean FSU not only doesn't control their exit, but entrance to another conference. Decidedly a media contract controls any movement. into. So, has one of the media/conference deals approached them and said, "... if you can extract yourself from the ACC media/GOR contract we will up our payout to the ?? conference so you can get an invite."? Otherwise, if not, what is their plan if they were granted a release from the ACC? They think they are a Big Boy, are being disrespected, and want to be paid like it. They are also Bigly mad that the ACC didn’t swing a big enough stick to push Alabama aside in the recent unpleasantness. They want into the SEC, but Florida will pitch a fit about it.—More drama. I can’t imagine them in the Big 27 or whatever they are calling it this week, which would leave the Big 12. Put another way, it’s like junior high drama, but with millions in tv money. They will get at least $30 million somewhere, which is more than they were set to make in the ACC. That being said, they probably need a second team to make it work. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2023 20:26:34 GMT -8
I you have to wonder what is precipitating this? I mean FSU not only doesn't control their exit, but entrance to another conference. Decidedly a media contract controls any movement. into. So, has one of the media/conference deals approached them and said, "... if you can extract yourself from the ACC media/GOR contract we will up our payout to the ?? conference so you can get an invite."? Otherwise, if not, what is their plan if they were granted a release from the ACC? One would assume the B1G. SEC already has Florida and the B1G would love to have that market, the B1G might also take maybe UNC or Virginia? If Florida gets out of the ACC the decisions Notre Dame makes could be the pivot if the ACC implodes or not. Notre Dame wants access to Florida. That is why they were in the ACC in the first place. Florida State and Miami are two huge reasons why Notre Dame is in the ACC. If both go, I highly doubt that Notre Dame will stick around. The Big Ten wants Notre Dame and might be in a position to swing it, if they get both Florida State and Miami, which they would surely try for. The SEC, in turn, will try and keep the Big Ten out of Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina, because that might prove fatal to the SEC. This might be the beginning of the end of the whole thing. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2023 20:32:28 GMT -8
What are their problems beyond what was mentioned above? Florida political “leaders” trying to insert themselves into the National Championship brouhaha in perfomative, ineffectual ways. Florida State’s athletic entitlement complex (haven’t we suffered enough from that with our feathered rivals already???). The arrogance of Florida/Southern football (“It means more here”). Etc. That, the expense of added travel , and the knowledge that they don’t want to honor agreements and will absolutely bail the first chance they get, seems like sufficient enough reason to say “Nope.” It sounds like the Florida political system is working to kill the ACC in nonperformative and effectual ways. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2023 20:42:21 GMT -8
I don't think they would take it. They would look at the likely path forward for a reconstructed PAC and reject it, because they would refuse to be associated with the California State university system. I know a few Stanford alums and they are vociferous and unanimous in this sentiment. " Stanford and Fresno in the same conference? NO." I expect they will try to buy their way into the Big 10 if the ACC implodes. No idea whay Cal would do, they are so deep underwater in financial terms, I am surprised that they keep athletics around. It's weird isn't it? Louisville? Ok Florida State? Ok Wake Forest? Ok Clemson? Ok Pittsburgh? Ok North Carolina State? Ok Cal State Fresno? Not on your life Stanford was always a thorn in the Pac-8/10/12's side. Stanford almost blew up the Pac-8 in protest of Arizona and Arizona State being added. And UCLA and USC threatened to blow up the Pac-8 and start up a new one with Arizona and Arizona State and without Stanford in response. Some things change. Some things stay the same. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 22, 2023 21:06:00 GMT -8
I understand it's about money but it's also about getting into the college football playoffs. Is it easier to win the league in the acc or the sec or big ten? ACC. Sure florida state is pissed but they were undefeated in the acc. That ain't gonna happen in either of those other leagues. It's about tv money.....they can worry about competition after they get paid. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 22, 2023 21:09:09 GMT -8
It's weird isn't it? Louisville? Ok Florida State? Ok Wake Forest? Ok Clemson? Ok Pittsburgh? Ok North Carolina State? Ok Cal State Fresno? Not on your life Stanford was always a thorn in the Pac-8/10/12's side. Stanford almost blew up the Pac-8 in protest of Arizona and Arizona State being added. And UCLA and USC threatened to blow up the Pac-8 and start up a new one with Arizona and Arizona State and without Stanford in response. Some things change. Some things stay the same. Stanford is trying to hold onto their academics as a selling point. It doesn't hold water in football now. It has been successful in the Olympic sports, but moving forward, I don't think so.....not with the travel. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 22, 2023 23:24:25 GMT -8
They think they are a Big Boy, are being disrespected, and want to be paid like it. They are also Bigly mad that the ACC didn’t swing a big enough stick to push Alabama aside in the recent unpleasantness. They want into the SEC, but Florida will pitch a fit about it.—More drama. I can’t imagine them in the Big 27 or whatever they are calling it this week, which would leave the Big 12. Put another way, it’s like junior high drama, but with millions in tv money. They will get at least $30 million somewhere, which is more than they were set to make in the ACC. That being said, they probably need a second team to make it work. Supposedly tbe ACC got 39.5 million per team in the 21-22 season news.wfsu.org/wfsu-local-news/2023-12-22/fsu-starts-the-ball-rolling-on-its-acc-departure And all but one of the sources I've seen have said in the 40 mil buck a season range. Florida is basically pissed because the SEC and Big 10 bring in more, and the ACC is tied into a long contract. It'll be interesting to see how far they get, it may be this is all a move to get a more favorable buyout. Who knows? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2023 23:35:02 GMT -8
They will get at least $30 million somewhere, which is more than they were set to make in the ACC. That being said, they probably need a second team to make it work. Supposedly tbe ACC got 39.5 million per team in the 21-22 season news.wfsu.org/wfsu-local-news/2023-12-22/fsu-starts-the-ball-rolling-on-its-acc-departure And all but one of the sources I've seen have said in the 40 mil buck a season range. Florida is basically pissed because the SEC and Big 10 bring in more, and the ACC is tied into a long contract. It'll be interesting to see how far they get, it may be this is all a move to get a more favorable buyout. Who knows? The ACC made less from that on media but the 39.5 million number is correct for all moneys (e.g., bowl moneys, tournament moneys, etc.). My initial estimate was low. Florida State would never leave for $30 million. They would need at least $40 million to consider a move. This whole thing is very interesting. I am glad that Oregon State and Wazzu are getting their ship in order and that the ACC is soon going to explode. F#*k those guys! |
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