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Post by orangeattack on Nov 29, 2023 17:23:32 GMT -8
Is that a fair analogy, well probably not.
But that's the overwhelming feeling that I get about the entire situation.
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Post by beavheart on Nov 29, 2023 17:35:57 GMT -8
Agree. All about #1.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 29, 2023 17:40:54 GMT -8
Is that a fair analogy, well probably not. But that's the overwhelming feeling that I get about the entire situation. I don't think OSU has cancer. Literally or figuratively. But you're entitled to your choice of metaphors.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 29, 2023 17:46:49 GMT -8
That is a terrible analogy. My neighbor did that to his wife and that’s next level a-hole compared to Smith.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 29, 2023 17:58:42 GMT -8
That is a terrible analogy. My neighbor did that to his wife and that’s next level a-hole compared to Smith. It's an analogy, not an equivalency.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 29, 2023 18:02:22 GMT -8
Also, we are still being emotional here, I'm not ready to move on to the rational phase just yet.
Relieved because we have a HC and a plan, but still.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 29, 2023 20:55:12 GMT -8
Is that a fair analogy, well probably not. But that's the overwhelming feeling that I get about the entire situation. Stop. Just stop. It’s football for Christ sake.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 30, 2023 8:40:16 GMT -8
We have a coach, and we may end up in reasonable shape regarding the transfer portal given who we elevated into that position (e.g. DM affirming he's staying). JS made a business decision. As to MSU, last time I heard, some starters on both sides of the ball are already declaring intent to bail. But I like the Ayn Rand "Fountainhead" approach regarding JS at some point: Peter Keating: "What do you think of my work?" Howard Roark: "I don't"
Go Beavers!
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2023 11:09:13 GMT -8
Is that a fair analogy, well probably not. But that's the overwhelming feeling that I get about the entire situation. Taking a complete lack of empathy in a different direction... I have always thought Smith was on the spectrum. the Autism Spectrum to be clear Probably a couple years back we'd use the now retired term Aspergers. He is a guy that intellectually understand the way people think and what a person may or may not feel about things, but he himself doesn't REALLY get it or feel it or deeply understand it. he can fake it. He can mask... but he doesn't feel it. A lot of things line up from his speaking dictation, to his coach speak, to how he chose to handle some questions. Sort of in that way "what? it's true!" type of way when you say something other people cringe at. Just sort of misses at the subtle nuances of social life. His generally unexcitable demeanor. Even when he was a student athlete here, he was hardly the center of attention on campus, often times he was invisible despite being the star QB. Smith intellectually knows what OSU is and means to people and maybe even intellectually understand why people would be angry and expect he'd show loyalty, but he doesn't feel that pull like others expect of him. In a mind that is low on emotion and high on logic, he made pragmatic and logical choices. I don't think your analogy is as heavy handed as others are making it out to be, because it all comes down to a fundamental thing: Empathy. Empathy, to an extent, can be learned... but for the most part it is just something you either have or you don't. Most people in society have empathy for one another, and thus when a husband leaves a stricken wife we all feel the outrage and we all know how asshole of a move it, because it is a move devoid of empathy. Is a husband leaving a wife in her darkest moment WAY worse than a football coach leaving. Of course. But as you said it is an analogy not an equivalency. The analogy is rooted in empathy and emotion which is what is at play here. people that don't feel it can only know, intellectually, what others would think, but they won't feel it. And to that end, are generally able to make decisions many of us would not.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 30, 2023 11:21:07 GMT -8
Is that a fair analogy, well probably not. But that's the overwhelming feeling that I get about the entire situation. Taking a complete lack of empathy in a different direction... I have always thought Smith was on the spectrum. the Autism Spectrum to be clear Probably a couple years back we'd use the now retired term Aspergers. He is a guy that intellectually understand the way people think and what a person may or may not feel about things, but he himself doesn't REALLY get it or feel it or deeply understand it. he can fake it. He can mask... but he doesn't feel it. A lot of things line up from his speaking dictation, to his coach speak, to how he chose to handle some questions. Sort of in that way "what? it's true!" type of way when you say something other people cringe at. Just sort of misses at the subtle nuances of social life. His generally unexcitable demeanor. Even when he was a student athlete here, he was hardly the center of attention on campus, often times he was invisible despite being the star QB. Smith intellectually knows what OSU is and means to people and maybe even intellectually understand why people would be angry and expect he'd show loyalty, but he doesn't feel that pull like others expect of him. In a mind that is low on emotion and high on logic, he made pragmatic and logical choices. I don't think your analogy is as heavy handed as others are making it out to be, because it all comes down to a fundamental thing: Empathy. Empathy, to an extent, can be learned... but for the most part it is just something you either have or you don't. Most people in society have empathy for one another, and thus when a husband leaves a stricken wife we all feel the outrage and we all know how asshole of a move it, because it is a move devoid of empathy. Is a husband leaving a wife in her darkest moment WAY worse than a football coach leaving. Of course. But as you said it is an analogy not an equivalency. The analogy is rooted in empathy and emotion which is what is at play here. people that don't feel it can only know, intellectually, what others would think, but they won't feel it. And to that end, are generally able to make decisions many of us would not. During the 2000 season, Smitty was roommates with Chris Gibson, Marty Mauer and Roddy Tompkins in an apartment off Kings, and I went over there after games to hang out with those guys. After the USC game, everyone was going out to party/celebrate. Smitty showed up with Candice and a stack of VHS tapes, and quietly said hello as he headed up to his room. That was a very typical interaction, but it still was surprising to me that the guy had no interest in celebrating what was arguably the biggest win in the history of the program at that point. Or at least, it very much felt like it in that moment.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 30, 2023 12:26:45 GMT -8
Or maybe those VHS tapes weren't of football and he was going to celebrate.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2023 12:58:25 GMT -8
Or maybe those VHS tapes weren't of football and he was going to celebrate. Nothing like being a kid of the '80's trying to catch a peek of exactly what was in the backroom past the saloon style doors of the maw-and-paw video store. Blockbuster never had that saloon door room...
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 30, 2023 17:58:05 GMT -8
The way I'm viewing this right now is, Smith did us right as a player and then as a coach for the past six years. I'm grateful, 100% grateful, for that and will give him a ton of benefit of the doubt because of it. Give is the wrong word, he earned it with hard work and results over time, so it wasn't free.
That's a lot of years of solid character he displayed and we all stood behind. Regarding this one single decision he's made, I don't have all the facts, I don't know all the considerations or thoughts that went into it, or family dynamics which may have played a role, or other factors, if any.
We may never know the whole story for sure, but what I do know beyond this one single decision is a lot of years of him doing us right. So I am refraining from grabbing my pitchfork and instead keeping a very open mind. Yes there are and will be endless "rumors" and "inside" stories about what happened, most will be negative about Smith (which at the end of the day will be just as negative about OSU fb to a casual observer) and also most will be based in pure BS.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 30, 2023 18:22:33 GMT -8
The way I'm viewing this right now is, Smith did us right as a player and then as a coach for the past six years. I'm grateful, 100% grateful, for that and will give him a ton of benefit of the doubt because of it. Give is the wrong word, he earned it with hard work and results over time, so it wasn't free. That's a lot of years of solid character he displayed and we all stood behind. Regarding this one single decision he's made, I don't have all the facts, I don't know all the considerations or thoughts that went into it, or family dynamics which may have played a role, or other factors, if any. We may never know the whole story for sure, but what I do know beyond this one single decision is a lot of years of him doing us right. So I am refraining from grabbing my pitchfork and instead keeping a very open mind. Yes there are and will be endless "rumors" and "inside" stories about what happened, most will be negative about Smith (which at the end of the day will be just as negative about OSU fb to a casual observer) and also most will be based in pure BS. You can think what you want but there was a lot of bulls%#t that went down the last week that would not be considered “solid character”. He eroded a lot of the good he did in the last week.
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Post by grayman on Nov 30, 2023 19:22:11 GMT -8
"A lot of things line up from his speaking dictation, to his coach speak, to how he chose to handle some questions. Sort of in that way "what? it's true!" type of way when you say something other people cringe at. Just sort of misses at the subtle nuances of social life. His generally unexcitable demeanor. Even when he was a student athlete here, he was hardly the center of attention on campus, often times he was invisible despite being the star QB.
Smith intellectually knows what OSU is and means to people and maybe even intellectually understand why people would be angry and expect he'd show loyalty, but he doesn't feel that pull like others expect of him. In a mind that is low on emotion and high on logic, he made pragmatic and logical choices."
I agree that he seems almost socially unaware and lacking empathy in this whole thing.
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