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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 28, 2023 14:13:30 GMT -8
The P-12 title game has always been on a Friday night, IIRC.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 14:18:11 GMT -8
Surprised they didn't stay at eight league games and then use us/Wazzu as one of their OOC games. With only seven league games they're setting themselves up for another 3-way tie fiasco like this year. Much tougher for them to do that. The teams would all have to get out of a OOC contract. It would be a logistical nightmare.....even though we already had BSU on our schedule. Also, easier for their teams to schedule us and WSU later in the season. The only teams currently with openings in their schedule are San Diego State and Utah State. Using the Hawai'i rule, Boise, Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, and UNLV can all add a 13th game. San Jose State desperately wants another FBS opponent but has not found one yet, currently with two FCS games on the schedule. The only three teams that cannot accommodate an extra game this year are Air Force, Colorado State, and Wyoming. Honestly, you could probably have Wazzu schedule four and Oregon State schedule five and have it all work out. Just need three Power Four teams, say Arizona, Cal, Oregon, and Utah, for Oregon State.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 14:23:01 GMT -8
How are they going to get the stadium ready after the Pac-12 Championship the night before? Also, how hokey for Oregon and Washington to be playing on Friday, while Boise and UNLV play on Saturday. It's actually better for the Pac 12. Prime time and only game on. MWC game has to go up against the SEC championship. Who gives a rat's patoot about Alabama and Georgia. Yawn! CBS? Gross! The Georgia Dome? Hard pass. Not watching that garbage. Give me Boise and UNLV on Fox at Allegiant. Conference USA Championship Game starts an hour before the Pac-12 Championship Game, although the game is on the CBS Sports Network, so there will probably be fewer viewers lost.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 28, 2023 14:24:57 GMT -8
Many teams that play Hawaii don't add a 13th game, as it often eliminates the bye. Hawaii was the only MWC team to play 13 games this year. SDSU, AFA, CSU and SJSU played in Hawaii this year but none of them played a 13th game.
And for all we know, SDSU and USU have an opponent lined up but just haven't signed the contracts yet.
Much more flexibility in 2025 for the MWC to have an 8+1+3 option.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 14:30:16 GMT -8
The P-12 title game has always been on a Friday night, IIRC. The Pac-12 Championship Game has been held on a Friday 11 of 13 times. The game was on Saturday in 2013 (and at Sun Devil Stadium) and on Saturday in 2015 at Levi's Stadium.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 14:37:15 GMT -8
Many teams that play Hawaii don't add a 13th game, as it often eliminates the bye. Hawaii was the only MWC team to play 13 games this year. SDSU, AFA, CSU and SJSU played in Hawaii this year but none of them played a 13th game. And for all we know, SDSU and USU have an opponent lined up but just haven't signed the contracts yet. Much more flexibility in 2025 for the MWC to have an 8+1+3 option. The teams all get an extra bye in 2024, though, so it is more likely. San Diego State still needs to schedule an FCS team, if they are going to schedule one. Utah State needs an FBS team.
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Post by p8nted on Nov 28, 2023 15:22:56 GMT -8
From Article. "While there is not expected to be a contractual requirement for a long-term merger between the two entities, there is an intent and understanding of full-time membership for OSU and WSU in the Mountain West or a merger." "For now, the scheduling alliance is football only. The two entities continue to explore a similar scheduling agreement for men’s and women’s basketball, though an agreement is likely weeks away. Oregon State and Washington State are in discussions with other leagues to create affiliate memberships for their other sports." "While there is not expected to be a contractual requirement for a long-term merger between the two entities, there is an intent and understanding of full-time membership for OSU and WSU in the Mountain West or a merger." Yeah, so we have the Pac-2 right now with a bunch of MWC teams that will be on the 2024 football schedule. If they are willing to merge the Pac-2 with the MWC as the new Pac then there's no reason to stall. There's no doubt an understanding that something will possibly be done in a year or two but obviously the Pac-2 want to see how everything falls in the meantime. For the MWC's part, I think it wants to absorb OSU and WSU. Nobody in the MWC has really talked about absorbing OSU and WSU. They want to merge into the PAC. No question the MWC also wants to wait and see how it all settles with lawsuits still pending, For example, media negotiations with pending lawsuits would be difficult. On extremes there is still a slim chance the appeals can take a year or two, depending on details, or the PAC dissolves. I think everyone knows that 2024 is about waiting for the legal climate to settle.
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Post by p8nted on Nov 28, 2023 15:30:32 GMT -8
Many teams that play Hawaii don't add a 13th game, as it often eliminates the bye. Hawaii was the only MWC team to play 13 games this year. SDSU, AFA, CSU and SJSU played in Hawaii this year but none of them played a 13th game. And for all we know, SDSU and USU have an opponent lined up but just haven't signed the contracts yet. Much more flexibility in 2025 for the MWC to have an 8+1+3 option. The teams all get an extra bye in 2024, though, so it is more likely.San Diego State still needs to schedule an FCS team, if they are going to schedule one. Utah State needs an FBS team. DO you have a link to this? I had not heard of the season being extended?
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Post by p8nted on Nov 28, 2023 15:32:36 GMT -8
Many teams that play Hawaii don't add a 13th game, as it often eliminates the bye. Hawaii was the only MWC team to play 13 games this year. SDSU, AFA, CSU and SJSU played in Hawaii this year but none of them played a 13th game. And for all we know, SDSU and USU have an opponent lined up but just haven't signed the contracts yet. Much more flexibility in 2025 for the MWC to have an 8+1+3 option. MWC teams just don't like 13 games. Not enough depth to pull it off.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 28, 2023 15:35:41 GMT -8
The teams all get an extra bye in 2024, though, so it is more likely.San Diego State still needs to schedule an FCS team, if they are going to schedule one. Utah State needs an FBS team. DO you have a link to this? I had not heard of the season being extended? I pulled up the MSU future schedules last night and there it was, two bye weeks on their 2024 schedule. That was a mystery then, makes sense now.
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Post by donkeyotee on Nov 28, 2023 15:43:31 GMT -8
I liked the idea that was suggested awhile ago of a relegation-style league, with the PAC being the top league with the top teams in the MW and the MWC being the 2nd tier. Sounds good in theory but not sure how practical it would be.
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Post by grayman on Nov 28, 2023 15:49:43 GMT -8
"While there is not expected to be a contractual requirement for a long-term merger between the two entities, there is an intent and understanding of full-time membership for OSU and WSU in the Mountain West or a merger." Yeah, so we have the Pac-2 right now with a bunch of MWC teams that will be on the 2024 football schedule. If they are willing to merge the Pac-2 with the MWC as the new Pac then there's no reason to stall. There's no doubt an understanding that something will possibly be done in a year or two but obviously the Pac-2 want to see how everything falls in the meantime. For the MWC's part, I think it wants to absorb OSU and WSU. Nobody in the MWC has really talked about absorbing OSU and WSU. They want to merge into the PAC. No question the MWC also wants to wait and see how it all settles with lawsuits still pending, For example, media negotiations with pending lawsuits would be difficult. On extremes here is still a slim chance the appeals can take a year or two, depending on details, or the PAC dissolves. I think everyone knows that 2024 is about waiting for the legal climate to settle. The Pac-2 plan has been in place basically since the 10 bailed. The language was always along the lines of rebuilding the Pac-12. OSU and WSU are very aware that the legal stuff might take some time. That doesn't mean that their entire plan for 2024 revolves around getting the legal stuff done and then moving forward. OSU and WSU already pretty much know what will happen if they lose the legal battle. But operating for a year or two as the Pac-2 allows them to continue to look at all options and maybe even figure out a way to create some additional options. And one option very well could be the intention to bring in schools from two or three different conferences. Some sort of merger with MWC is a very strong possibility as everything stands right now. However, as we've all seen in the past few months, the college football landscape can undergo drastic change practically overnight. As far as the MWC absorbing OSU and WSU, I think that is more along the lines of what Nevarez and other MWC administrators would prefer, not necessarily fans or people from individual schools.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 15:49:46 GMT -8
The teams all get an extra bye in 2024, though, so it is more likely.San Diego State still needs to schedule an FCS team, if they are going to schedule one. Utah State needs an FBS team. DO you have a link to this? I had not heard of the season being extended? There is no extension. The regular season calendar is based on when Labor Day falls. 2021, 2022, and 2023 had 13-week regular seasons, conference championships in week 14. 2024 will have a 14-week regular season, like in 2019. In 2019, Oregon State had two byes, one between Cal Poly and Stanford and a second between California and Arizona. 2013 and 2014 also had 14-week regular seasons. 2008 also also had a 14-week regular season. Before 2006, a 14-week regular season was not possible. The change between 2005 and 2006 allowed for the Pac-10 to go to a nine-game conference schedule, beginning in 2006.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 15:51:39 GMT -8
Many teams that play Hawaii don't add a 13th game, as it often eliminates the bye. Hawaii was the only MWC team to play 13 games this year. SDSU, AFA, CSU and SJSU played in Hawaii this year but none of them played a 13th game. And for all we know, SDSU and USU have an opponent lined up but just haven't signed the contracts yet. Much more flexibility in 2025 for the MWC to have an 8+1+3 option. MWC teams just don't like 13 games. Not enough depth to pull it off. I think that Mountain West teams do not like to schedule a 13th game, because the bowls require a .500 record. A 13th game makes a seventh win almost a necessity.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 28, 2023 15:56:30 GMT -8
I liked the idea that was suggested awhile ago of a relegation-style league, with the PAC being the top league with the top teams in the MW and the MWC being the 2nd tier. Sounds good in theory but not sure how practical it would be. I’m thinking they were literally looking at 2 separate leagues/conferences of a minimum of 8 teams each with a relegation agreement between them. That way there would still be 10 FBS conferences instead of 9 and you could justify a P5/G5 situation like we currently have now.
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