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Post by grayman on Nov 28, 2023 12:33:13 GMT -8
From Article. "While there is not expected to be a contractual requirement for a long-term merger between the two entities, there is an intent and understanding of full-time membership for OSU and WSU in the Mountain West or a merger." "For now, the scheduling alliance is football only. The two entities continue to explore a similar scheduling agreement for men’s and women’s basketball, though an agreement is likely weeks away. Oregon State and Washington State are in discussions with other leagues to create affiliate memberships for their other sports." "While there is not expected to be a contractual requirement for a long-term merger between the two entities, there is an intent and understanding of full-time membership for OSU and WSU in the Mountain West or a merger." Yeah, so we have the Pac-2 right now with a bunch of MWC teams that will be on the 2024 football schedule. If they are willing to merge the Pac-2 with the MWC as the new Pac then there's no reason to stall. There's no doubt an understanding that something will possibly be done in a year or two but obviously the Pac-2 want to see how everything falls in the meantime. For the MWC's part, I think it wants to absorb OSU and WSU.
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Post by grayman on Nov 28, 2023 12:35:08 GMT -8
oh yeah. Ross Dellenger. Pretty sure most of his sources are MWC connected. All I know is that what has been reported so far shows that what the Pac-2 is doing does not include any concessions regarding future merger scenarios with the MWC and that the schedule that is being put together involves five P4 conference teams, the six MWC teams and one FCS team. Not the three nonconference games and nine MWC teams. I guess it remains to be seen if this agreement adds more MWC teams to the schedule, however. Not a merger concession, but I would say that paying them $14 million and letting them keep all media revenue from their home games is a type of concession. Huge difference. Yes, it's a concession, but by a Pac-2 that intends to remain the Pac-2 for now and has to do something to fill out a schedule for 2024. In fact, I would argue that OSU and WSU agreeing to pay $14 million and allowing them to keep the media revenue for home games shows how far they were willing to go to avoid giving ground on the merger concession.
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Post by sparty on Nov 28, 2023 12:53:37 GMT -8
Not a merger concession, but I would say that paying them $14 million and letting them keep all media revenue from their home games is a type of concession. Huge difference. Yes, it's a concession, but by a Pac-2 that intends to remain the Pac-2 for now and has to do something to fill out a schedule for 2024. In fact, I would argue that OSU and WSU agreeing to pay $14 million and allowing them to keep the media revenue for home games shows how far they were willing to go to avoid giving ground on the merger concession. Chalk it up to the MWC being one tough cookie. She knows what she is doing and held the cards because they did not have to do anything.
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Post by seastape on Nov 28, 2023 13:00:19 GMT -8
Huge difference. Yes, it's a concession, but by a Pac-2 that intends to remain the Pac-2 for now and has to do something to fill out a schedule for 2024. In fact, I would argue that OSU and WSU agreeing to pay $14 million and allowing them to keep the media revenue for home games shows how far they were willing to go to avoid giving ground on the merger concession. Chalk it up to the MWC being one tough cookie. She knows what she is doing and held the cards because they did not have to do anything. Yeah...if we're eventually going to form a league with any number of MWC teams, gimme the Pac XX title and Gloria Nevarez for commissioner.
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Post by grayman on Nov 28, 2023 13:07:26 GMT -8
Huge difference. Yes, it's a concession, but by a Pac-2 that intends to remain the Pac-2 for now and has to do something to fill out a schedule for 2024. In fact, I would argue that OSU and WSU agreeing to pay $14 million and allowing them to keep the media revenue for home games shows how far they were willing to go to avoid giving ground on the merger concession. Chalk it up to the MWC being one tough cookie. She knows what she is doing and held the cards because they did not have to do anything. Oh yeah, Nevarez is on point...I think she's doing a great job and definitely knew she held the advantage as far as the Pac-2 needing to fill out its schedule. But my points about the Pac-2 stand as well.
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 28, 2023 13:23:05 GMT -8
I think it's a pretty fair agreement. The MWC is giving up a conference game, for which, obviously, it would have kept all the TV revenue. It's perfectly reasonable that they would want to keep it all for these games as well.
And the MWC is doing a huge solid for WSU and OSU by giving up a conference game, and they should certainly be compensated for that. A million a pop seems very reasonable - very good money by MWC standards, not breaking it off in us; just about right.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 28, 2023 13:29:08 GMT -8
I think it's a pretty fair agreement. The MWC is giving up a conference game, for which, obviously, it would have kept all the TV revenue. It's perfectly reasonable that they would want to keep it all for these games as well. And the MWC is doing a huge solid for WSU and OSU by giving up a conference game, and they should certainly be compensated for that. A million a pop seems very reasonable - very good money by MWC standards, not breaking it off in us; just about right. Surprised they didn't stay at eight league games and then use us/Wazzu as one of their OOC games. With only seven league games they're setting themselves up for another 3-way tie fiasco like this year.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 28, 2023 13:33:13 GMT -8
I think it's a pretty fair agreement. The MWC is giving up a conference game, for which, obviously, it would have kept all the TV revenue. It's perfectly reasonable that they would want to keep it all for these games as well. And the MWC is doing a huge solid for WSU and OSU by giving up a conference game, and they should certainly be compensated for that. A million a pop seems very reasonable - very good money by MWC standards, not breaking it off in us; just about right. Surprised they didn't stay at eight league games and then use us/Wazzu as one of their OOC games. With only seven league games they're setting themselves up for another 3-way tie fiasco like this year. Much tougher for them to do that. The teams would all have to get out of a OOC contract. It would be a logistical nightmare.....even though we already had BSU on our schedule. Also, easier for their teams to schedule us and WSU later in the season.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 28, 2023 13:41:51 GMT -8
Surprised they didn't stay at eight league games and then use us/Wazzu as one of their OOC games. With only seven league games they're setting themselves up for another 3-way tie fiasco like this year. Much tougher for them to do that. The teams would all have to get out of a OOC contract. It would be a logistical nightmare.....even though we already had BSU on our schedule. Also, easier for their teams to schedule us and WSU later in the season. Yeah, I suppose. The MWC team I follow closely is all booked for 2024, but only two for 2025 so maybe they will make an adjustment then.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 13:45:16 GMT -8
I think it's a pretty fair agreement. The MWC is giving up a conference game, for which, obviously, it would have kept all the TV revenue. It's perfectly reasonable that they would want to keep it all for these games as well. And the MWC is doing a huge solid for WSU and OSU by giving up a conference game, and they should certainly be compensated for that. A million a pop seems very reasonable - very good money by MWC standards, not breaking it off in us; just about right. Surprised they didn't stay at eight league games and then use us/Wazzu as one of their OOC games. With only seven league games they're setting themselves up for another 3-way tie fiasco like this year. They need to overhaul their tiebreakers. Computer rankings should not be the third tiebreaker! If they used the Pac-12 tiebreakers, Boise State would be travelling to San Jose to play the Mountain West Championship Game. Hopefully, that is fixed by 2026.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 28, 2023 13:47:15 GMT -8
Surprised they didn't stay at eight league games and then use us/Wazzu as one of their OOC games. With only seven league games they're setting themselves up for another 3-way tie fiasco like this year. They need to overhaul their tiebreakers. Computer rankings should not be the third tiebreaker! If they used the Pac-12 tiebreakers, Boise State would be travelling to San Jose to play the Mountain West Championship Game. Hopefully, that is fixed by 2026. Yeah, instead SJSU is out but at least BSU has to travel. To UNLV, who SJSU just beat as a road team.
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Post by 86BEAVER on Nov 28, 2023 13:52:43 GMT -8
Hope this one is signed in blood, not just a handshake.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 13:56:34 GMT -8
They need to overhaul their tiebreakers. Computer rankings should not be the third tiebreaker! If they used the Pac-12 tiebreakers, Boise State would be travelling to San Jose to play the Mountain West Championship Game. Hopefully, that is fixed by 2026. Yeah, instead SJSU is out but at least BSU has to travel. To UNLV, who SJSU just beat as a road team. How are they going to get the stadium ready after the Pac-12 Championship the night before? Also, how hokey for Oregon and Washington to be playing on Friday, while Boise and UNLV play on Saturday.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 28, 2023 13:57:45 GMT -8
What this says to me is the Pac 2 is paying 14 million up front for the right to buyout or help buyout several teams if they have the money in a year or so. It probably beats what the MWC was asking for if the Pac-2 were to not merge with the entire conference.
If they tried cherry picking teams right now for the upcoming year, it'd be 32/34 million a team. They could get it down in half just by waiting until at least a season's worth of games are scheduled and locked in, make the cherry picks at least a year before the actuall consolidation into the new conference, and then play out that schedule for next year until those chosenare free to move.
This whole Pac 2 lawsuit situation needs to be settled before they know how much money they're working with and a serious rebuild can begin.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 28, 2023 13:58:11 GMT -8
Yeah, instead SJSU is out but at least BSU has to travel. To UNLV, who SJSU just beat as a road team. How are they going to get the stadium ready after the Pac-12 Championship the night before? Also, how hokey for Oregon and Washington to be playing on Friday, while Boise and UNLV play on Saturday. It's actually better for the Pac 12. Prime time and only game on. MWC game has to go up against the SEC championship.
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