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Post by beavaristotle on Nov 14, 2023 9:30:57 GMT -8
I’m a vindictive SOB but a wouldn’t get the traitors a nickel. If the case is a slam dunk like the legal experts have been saying and we are in the driver seat then screw them. When they had the hammer they didn’t look out for us so now it’s are turn. But then, I’m a vindictive SOB
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 14, 2023 10:15:04 GMT -8
I would think a settlement would be likely. We can't afford to drag this out forever. Actually, it's the traitorous 10 who cannot drag this out forever, according the lawyer that Canzano talked with. How do we schedule if we don't have a resolution? That is my concern. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Nov 14, 2023 10:37:31 GMT -8
I have to think there are all kinds of things that have been happening behind the scenes that we are not privy too...probably for very good reason. If we have just been sitting around hoping things go our way with no set of contingencies, then that is misfeasance on a grand order. Our President and AD are way too savvy to allow themselves to get into that position.
I think today breaks the dam (pun not intended) and news will begin to flow out pretty rapidly. It is a problem for the ten to have this drag out, it is existential for us and Wazzu. There has literally been NO news on the recruiting front (unless I am missing something). The Washington game is a classic recruiting weekend, but I haven't seen anything about what kind of hosting we are doing. Haven't heard much about any home games this year as respects recruiting.
Portal opens inside a month, recruiting is heating up. I am confident that starting tomorrow we will have a defined path forward if nothing else. I think we get control of the board, then begin to negotiate a settlement that allows us a reasonable landing spot.
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Post by p8nted on Nov 14, 2023 11:02:10 GMT -8
I have to think there are all kinds of things that have been happening behind the scenes that we are not privy too...probably for very good reason. If we have just been sitting around hoping things go our way with no set of contingencies, then that is misfeasance on a grand order. Our President and AD are way too savvy to allow themselves to get into that position.
I think today breaks the dam (pun not intended) and news will begin to flow out pretty rapidly. It is a problem for the ten to have this drag out, it is existential for us and Wazzu. There has literally been NO news on the recruiting front (unless I am missing something). The Washington game is a classic recruiting weekend, but I haven't seen anything about what kind of hosting we are doing. Haven't heard much about any home games this year as respects recruiting.
Portal opens inside a month, recruiting is heating up. I am confident that starting tomorrow we will have a defined path forward if nothing else. I think we get control of the board, then begin to negotiate a settlement that allows us a reasonable landing spot.
Well we reached out to the Sun Belt this month and they said no to a pac scheduling alliance. We got turned down by the sun belt. Sigh At some point the MWC appears ready to say no deal. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 14, 2023 11:56:26 GMT -8
When (if) we prevail in court today I think a settlement will be forthcoming shortly. The Big Ten, ACC and Big 12 don't want teams with ongoing legal issues.
Washington can appeal just because it lost, but it also must prove that some sort of reversible error was made.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 14, 2023 12:23:52 GMT -8
Fīat iūstitia ruat cælum!
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Post by irimi on Nov 14, 2023 12:50:35 GMT -8
Actually, it's the traitorous 10 who cannot drag this out forever, according the lawyer that Canzano talked with. How do we schedule if we don't have a resolution? That is my concern. Is it very different if we have a resolution and stay in the Pac 2? What changes? |
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Post by bennysdentist on Nov 14, 2023 13:01:43 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 14, 2023 13:02:16 GMT -8
Actually, it's the traitorous 10 who cannot drag this out forever, according the lawyer that Canzano talked with. How do we schedule if we don't have a resolution? That is my concern. Get the Mountain West to agree to forego six games to mostly fill out Oregon State and Wazzu's schedule and give all 14 universities in the Mountain West and Pac-12 eight games against one another. Every team is available for a combined Championship Game and each team is available for each other's bowls. (I am curious as to what bowls keep Oregon State and Wazzu and which are out.) Boise, which already plays Oregon State, plays Wazzu in a second game. Oregon State, which hosted San Diego State this year, goes to San Diego State next year. Oregon State and Wazzu each add one additional team from California, Colorado, and Nevada and one of the two Northern and Southern teams that are left. Oregon State then schedules home-and-homes with Cal and Oregon. August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 FresnoSeptember 21 Purdue September 28 Bye October 5 CalOctober 12 @ Air ForceOctober 19 Utah StateOctober 26 Bye November 2 @ Hawai'iNovember 9 UNLVNovember 16 @ San Diego StateNovember 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State We think about flipping the Cal, Oregon, or Wazzu games, because it will be tough to continue a rivalry against all three, if 2024 is in Corvallis. Or, with the @ Hawai'i game, you could also schedule Utah to a home-and-home, as well. Something like: August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 Fresno September 21 Purdue September 28 @ Utah October 5 Cal October 12 @ Air Force October 19 ByeOctober 26 Utah State November 2 @ Hawai'i November 9 UNLV November 16 @ San Diego State November 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State I don't know why something like that wouldn't work. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Nov 14, 2023 13:02:39 GMT -8
How do we schedule if we don't have a resolution? That is my concern. Is it very different if we have a resolution and stay in the Pac 2? What changes? The basic principle of who controls the purse strings has the leverage. I have to think that if we are given wide latitude on control of the board, then we can use that to enter into negotiations and pare back our settlement/distribution plans to allow us to move forward in some workable direction. I just don't see how we can allow this to sputter along anymore |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 14, 2023 13:04:12 GMT -8
How do we schedule if we don't have a resolution? That is my concern. Get the Mountain West to agree to forego six games to mostly fill out Oregon State and Wazzu's schedule and give all 14 universities in the Mountain West and Pac-12 eight games against one another. Every team is available for a combined Championship Game and each team is available for each other's bowls. (I am curious as to what bowls keep Oregon State and Wazzu and which are out.) Boise, which already plays Oregon State, plays Wazzu in a second game. Oregon State, which hosted San Diego State this year, goes to San Diego State next year. Oregon State and Wazzu each add one team from California, Colorado, and Nevada and one of the two Northern and Southern teams that are left. Oregon State then schedules home-and-homes with Cal and Oregon. August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 FresnoSeptember 21 Purdue September 28 Bye October 5 CalOctober 12 @ Air ForceOctober 19 Utah StateOctober 26 Bye November 2 @ Hawai'iNovember 9 UNLVNovember 16 @ San Diego StateNovember 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State We think about flipping the Cal, Oregon, or Wazzu games, because it will be tough to continue a rivalry against all three, if 2024 is in Corvallis. Or, with the @ Hawai'i game, you could also schedule Utah to a home-and-home, as well. Something like: August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 Fresno September 21 Purdue September 28 @ Utah October 5 Cal October 12 @ Air Force October 19 ByeOctober 26 Utah State November 2 @ Hawai'i November 9 UNLV November 16 @ San Diego State November 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State I don't know why something like that wouldn't work. Because the MWC is saying no and has strings attached. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 14, 2023 13:26:59 GMT -8
Get the Mountain West to agree to forego six games to mostly fill out Oregon State and Wazzu's schedule and give all 14 universities in the Mountain West and Pac-12 eight games against one another. Every team is available for a combined Championship Game and each team is available for each other's bowls. (I am curious as to what bowls keep Oregon State and Wazzu and which are out.) Boise, which already plays Oregon State, plays Wazzu in a second game. Oregon State, which hosted San Diego State this year, goes to San Diego State next year. Oregon State and Wazzu each add one team from California, Colorado, and Nevada and one of the two Northern and Southern teams that are left. Oregon State then schedules home-and-homes with Cal and Oregon. August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 FresnoSeptember 21 Purdue September 28 Bye October 5 CalOctober 12 @ Air ForceOctober 19 Utah StateOctober 26 Bye November 2 @ Hawai'iNovember 9 UNLVNovember 16 @ San Diego StateNovember 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State We think about flipping the Cal, Oregon, or Wazzu games, because it will be tough to continue a rivalry against all three, if 2024 is in Corvallis. Or, with the @ Hawai'i game, you could also schedule Utah to a home-and-home, as well. Something like: August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 Fresno September 21 Purdue September 28 @ Utah October 5 Cal October 12 @ Air Force October 19 ByeOctober 26 Utah State November 2 @ Hawai'i November 9 UNLV November 16 @ San Diego State November 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State I don't know why something like that wouldn't work. Because the MWC is saying no and has strings attached. Willky seems to believe the MWC will work with us to survive long enough to steal some of their members. The MWC would love to work with us... if we did a reverse merger and took everyone. Other scenarios he's presented have other conferences willing to screw up their own schedules by allowing former Pac-12 members to play us. I think it would have to be wholly on the individual teams to schedule us, and in most cases there's little incentive for them to do so. These scenarios are one of the few things I disagree with Wilky on. We're pretty much stuck with either doing a reverse merger, or going to a Pac 2 scenario and scrambling to put together a full schedule, or getting full control of the Pac 12 board AND assets (including much or all of this year's distribution) and buying the conference we want to be. About the only other option I can think of is winning the board and control of assets and inviting Michigan and other malcontents with healthy bankrolls to join the newly rebuilt Pac. There may be other creative ways of surviving, but I don't think getting other conferences to cooperate with us is one of them. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 14, 2023 13:27:51 GMT -8
Get the Mountain West to agree to forego six games to mostly fill out Oregon State and Wazzu's schedule and give all 14 universities in the Mountain West and Pac-12 eight games against one another. Every team is available for a combined Championship Game and each team is available for each other's bowls. (I am curious as to what bowls keep Oregon State and Wazzu and which are out.) Boise, which already plays Oregon State, plays Wazzu in a second game. Oregon State, which hosted San Diego State this year, goes to San Diego State next year. Oregon State and Wazzu each add one team from California, Colorado, and Nevada and one of the two Northern and Southern teams that are left. Oregon State then schedules home-and-homes with Cal and Oregon. August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 FresnoSeptember 21 Purdue September 28 Bye October 5 CalOctober 12 @ Air ForceOctober 19 Utah StateOctober 26 Bye November 2 @ Hawai'iNovember 9 UNLVNovember 16 @ San Diego StateNovember 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State We think about flipping the Cal, Oregon, or Wazzu games, because it will be tough to continue a rivalry against all three, if 2024 is in Corvallis. Or, with the @ Hawai'i game, you could also schedule Utah to a home-and-home, as well. Something like: August 31 Idaho State September 7 @ Boise State September 14 Fresno September 21 Purdue September 28 @ Utah October 5 Cal October 12 @ Air Force October 19 ByeOctober 26 Utah State November 2 @ Hawai'i November 9 UNLV November 16 @ San Diego State November 23 Oregon November 30 Washington State I don't know why something like that wouldn't work. Because the MWC is saying no and has strings attached. Of course there are strings attached, which is why Oregon State and Wazzu are looking for a different conference to at least provide leverage. But you can negotiate away the strings. The alternative is California, Oregon, and Utah. You add San Diego State and Utah State, because they currently have openings to get to nine games. You then convince three of four of: Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, and UNLV to play you. If that fails, Army currently has: October 19 @ UNLV
November 9 @ Massachusetts
November 16 Wake Forest
In all probability, the American Athletic Conference and/or Army will be forced to buy out all three games, leaving the three with openings. Additionally, Connecticut needs at least one additional game.
There are probably several other teams that I am overlooking, but those are the most obvious.
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Post by p8nted on Nov 14, 2023 13:41:38 GMT -8
Because the MWC is saying no and has strings attached. Of course there are strings attached, which is why Oregon State and Wazzu are looking for a different conference to at least provide leverage. But you can negotiate away the strings. The alternative is California, Oregon, and Utah. You add San Diego State and Utah State, because they currently have openings to get to nine games. You then convince three of four of: Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, and UNLV to play you. If that fails, Army currently has: October 19 @ UNLV
November 9 @ Massachusetts
November 16 Wake Forest
In all probability, the American Athletic Conference and/or Army will be forced to buy out all three games, leaving the three with openings. Additionally, Connecticut needs at least one additional game.
There are probably several other teams that I am overlooking, but those are the most obvious.
MWC controls the league schedules. None of the teams can schedule you during their conference season unless conference clears the teams schedule. Just not happening. So far the negotiations don’t seem to be going well with the MWC or AAC as we don’t offer much. Hell the sun belt said no. If not careful we see all that money and get greedy. The cost will be no schedule beyond this year for any of our sports, extended legal battle with mounting billable hours, operating costs, incurred debt, no media deal all this when the portal and recruiting is about to begin. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 14, 2023 13:54:45 GMT -8
Of course there are strings attached, which is why Oregon State and Wazzu are looking for a different conference to at least provide leverage. But you can negotiate away the strings. The alternative is California, Oregon, and Utah. You add San Diego State and Utah State, because they currently have openings to get to nine games. You then convince three of four of: Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, and UNLV to play you. If that fails, Army currently has: October 19 @ UNLV
November 9 @ Massachusetts
November 16 Wake Forest
In all probability, the American Athletic Conference and/or Army will be forced to buy out all three games, leaving the three with openings. Additionally, Connecticut needs at least one additional game.
There are probably several other teams that I am overlooking, but those are the most obvious.
MWC controls the league schedules. None of the teams can schedule you during their conference season unless conference clears the teams schedule. Just not happening. So far the negotiations don’t seem to be going well with the MWC or AAC as we don’t offer much. Hell the sun belt said no. If not careful we see all that money and get greedy. The cost will be no schedule beyond this year for any of our sports, extended legal battle with mounting billable hours, operating costs, incurred debt, no media deal all this when the portal and recruiting is about to begin. Every conference knows if the Pac 2 survives without a reverse merger, it’s going to poach schools to rebuild the conference. I don’t see any way any conference is going to work with us to alter in-conference game schedules. They may not be able to say much about OOC games, but most of the schools themselves would probably have to buy out already scheduled opponents to play us. Realistically, not good for us. |
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