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Post by 93beav on Oct 9, 2023 10:59:17 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 9, 2023 11:28:15 GMT -8
Yormark's only real option to be an "elite" conference is thru hoops. There is simply no chance the B12 will be anything but, the bottom of a P4 football setup, hence they need a Zags program, maybe UConn to add to Zona, and Kansas as regular Elite teams. Add in the varied success of other B12 teams they would be a far better hoops conference than football.
I'm sure the Zags would love more money, but at what expense for their overall program success and that of their other programs. I do not know much about the Zags, but I've never heard that they are scraping by. I've always thought as a private university they like the west coast affiliations, but I guess money talks?!
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Post by ag87 on Oct 9, 2023 11:39:05 GMT -8
There is a locked on podcast from the guy who says OSU y WSU are going to the B12, with Gonzaga in the title. Have not listened yet. If Gonzaga joined the B12, does that increase or decrease chances for our school?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 9, 2023 13:32:00 GMT -8
Yormark's only real option to be an "elite" conference is thru hoops. There is simply no chance the B12 will be anything but, the bottom of a P4 football setup, hence they need a Zags program, maybe UConn to add to Zona, and Kansas as regular Elite teams. Add in the varied success of other B12 teams they would be a far better hoops conference than football. I'm sure the Zags would love more money, but at what expense for their overall program success and that of their other programs. I do not know much about the Zags, but I've never heard that they are scraping by. I've always thought as a private university they like the west coast affiliations, but I guess money talks?! LOL the revised Big 12 has had 2 teams in playoffs the past 2 years and 7 finish in top 10 since Playoffs started. That's on par with Big 10 and better than ACC. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 9, 2023 14:01:24 GMT -8
Yormark's only real option to be an "elite" conference is thru hoops. There is simply no chance the B12 will be anything but, the bottom of a P4 football setup, hence they need a Zags program, maybe UConn to add to Zona, and Kansas as regular Elite teams. Add in the varied success of other B12 teams they would be a far better hoops conference than football. I'm sure the Zags would love more money, but at what expense for their overall program success and that of their other programs. I do not know much about the Zags, but I've never heard that they are scraping by. I've always thought as a private university they like the west coast affiliations, but I guess money talks?! LOL the revised Big 12 has had 2 teams in playoffs the past 2 years and 7 finish in top 10 since Playoffs started. That's on par with Big 10 and better than ACC. You’re including Oklahoma who is leaving. They’re also losing Texas. TCU was a bit of a fluke last year. The Big 12 does not have the football programs left to be consistently at the top. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 9, 2023 14:01:32 GMT -8
Yormark's only real option to be an "elite" conference is thru hoops. There is simply no chance the B12 will be anything but, the bottom of a P4 football setup, hence they need a Zags program, maybe UConn to add to Zona, and Kansas as regular Elite teams. Add in the varied success of other B12 teams they would be a far better hoops conference than football. I'm sure the Zags would love more money, but at what expense for their overall program success and that of their other programs. I do not know much about the Zags, but I've never heard that they are scraping by. I've always thought as a private university they like the west coast affiliations, but I guess money talks?! LOL the revised Big 12 has had 2 teams in playoffs the past 2 years and 7 finish in top 10 since Playoffs started. That's on par with Big 10 and better than ACC. The team most responsible for that (Oklahoma) is leaving after this season. So is the only other Big 12 team with the resources to do that on a consistent basis, with decent coaching. TCU's run last year was a fluke. Won't happen again in our lifetime. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 9, 2023 14:07:48 GMT -8
Yormark's only real option to be an "elite" conference is thru hoops. There is simply no chance the B12 will be anything but, the bottom of a P4 football setup, hence they need a Zags program, maybe UConn to add to Zona, and Kansas as regular Elite teams. Add in the varied success of other B12 teams they would be a far better hoops conference than football. I'm sure the Zags would love more money, but at what expense for their overall program success and that of their other programs. I do not know much about the Zags, but I've never heard that they are scraping by. I've always thought as a private university they like the west coast affiliations, but I guess money talks?! LOL the revised Big 12 has had 2 teams in playoffs the past 2 years and 7 finish in top 10 since Playoffs started. That's on par with Big 10 and better than ACC. LOL... If you want to count teams from Group 5 that had a far easier schedule to get into the CFP compared to playing an ACC or B10 schedule... ok. BUT... the B10 has had a team in the CFP every season but two that I can remember... back to back in '17-18, '18-19. The B12 without Texas and Ok are no way in the same conversation. ACC has had (7) CFP appearances since the CFP began. Want to count up how many Top 10 teams the ACC and B10 have had since then? In a very quick look... without OK, I actually saw (9) total "new B12" teams in the CFP top 10 since 2014. But, because they are members now makes it tougher than when they were Group 5 champs. The B12 losses double the Top 10 CFP appearances than they gained with OK leaving. B10... had (9) the first three years of the poll... 23 total ACC... (11)... mainly due to Clemson |
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Post by irimi on Oct 9, 2023 14:09:04 GMT -8
I would've added them to a Pac X Reboot.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 9, 2023 14:11:14 GMT -8
I would've added them to a Pac X Reboot. If they went MWC merger for a while it'd even up hoops as Hawaii would be football only... Zags hoops only or join in every other sport they offer |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 9, 2023 15:29:06 GMT -8
LOL the revised Big 12 has had 2 teams in playoffs the past 2 years and 7 finish in top 10 since Playoffs started. That's on par with Big 10 and better than ACC. You’re including Oklahoma who is leaving. They’re also losing Texas. TCU was a bit of a fluke last year. The Big 12 does not have the football programs left to be consistently at the top. Oklahoma is a strange way to spell Cincinnati. Oklahoma hasn't even made the playoffs this decade. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 9, 2023 15:30:35 GMT -8
LOL the revised Big 12 has had 2 teams in playoffs the past 2 years and 7 finish in top 10 since Playoffs started. That's on par with Big 10 and better than ACC. The team most responsible for that (Oklahoma) is leaving after this season. So is the only other Big 12 team with the resources to do that on a consistent basis, with decent coaching. TCU's run last year was a fluke. Won't happen again in our lifetime. No...TCU and Cincinnati Utah, Baylor, ISU, UCF, Arizona, Houston, and OK St have all finished ranked in top 10 during playoff era. Interestingly KSU and BYU have not. By comparison, the ACC has had a grandtotal of 3...one of which Stanford |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 9, 2023 16:01:48 GMT -8
The team most responsible for that (Oklahoma) is leaving after this season. So is the only other Big 12 team with the resources to do that on a consistent basis, with decent coaching. TCU's run last year was a fluke. Won't happen again in our lifetime. No...TCU and Cincinnati Utah, Baylor, ISU, UCF, Arizona, Houston, and OK St have all finished ranked in top 10 during playoff era. Interestingly KSU and BYU have not. By comparison, the ACC has had a grandtotal of 3...one of which Stanford Arizona is not in the Big 12 currently. And you mentioned Oklahoma, which was in the top 10 for 6-7 times in the past ten years for that league. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 9, 2023 16:06:28 GMT -8
You’re including Oklahoma who is leaving. They’re also losing Texas. TCU was a bit of a fluke last year. The Big 12 does not have the football programs left to be consistently at the top. Oklahoma is a strange way to spell Cincinnati. Oklahoma hasn't even made the playoffs this decade. Are you talking the 2020 decade? But omitting the 4 times they made it between 2015 and 2019. How convenient. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 9, 2023 16:23:13 GMT -8
No...TCU and Cincinnati Utah, Baylor, ISU, UCF, Arizona, Houston, and OK St have all finished ranked in top 10 during playoff era. Interestingly KSU and BYU have not. By comparison, the ACC has had a grandtotal of 3...one of which Stanford Arizona is not in the Big 12 currently. And you mentioned Oklahoma, which was in the top 10 for 6-7 times in the past ten years for that league. Maybe a bouncing ball thing, so im not gonna be a smartass, even though you didn't know which 2 Big 12 teams were in the playoffs the past 2 years. My initial post (which you quoted) was refuting Mr. Hot Take's hot take denigrating the revised Big 12 AFTER adding the 4 corner Pac 12 schools. In other words, the revised Big 12 in the 2024 season. And I never said anything about OK in my initial post...you did |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 9, 2023 17:03:41 GMT -8
Since the playoffs started, Oklahoma has been by far the most successful Big 12 program. It is leaving. Texas is the conference's other heavy hitter, especially now that it has a decent coach, and it's leaving.
BTW, Cincinnato wasn't in the Big 12 when it went to the playoffs. It was in the AAC. You are giving the Big 12 credit for top-10 finishes from teams that were not even in the Big 12, Utah, UCF, Arizona and Houston. They haven't done anything yet as Big 12 teams. But I'm not gonna be a smartass about it.
TCU made the playoffs. It got a fluke win over Michigan and then lost the title game BY 58 POINTS.
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