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Post by killerbeavs on Oct 9, 2023 17:30:14 GMT -8
Yormark's only real option to be an "elite" conference is thru hoops. There is simply no chance the B12 will be anything but, the bottom of a P4 football setup, hence they need a Zags program, maybe UConn to add to Zona, and Kansas as regular Elite teams. Add in the varied success of other B12 teams they would be a far better hoops conference than football. I'm sure the Zags would love more money, but at what expense for their overall program success and that of their other programs. I do not know much about the Zags, but I've never heard that they are scraping by. I've always thought as a private university they like the west coast affiliations, but I guess money talks?! If the want an elite hoops conference, the need to invite us. Those top programs need to beat someone. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 9, 2023 17:41:55 GMT -8
Yormark's only real option to be an "elite" conference is thru hoops. There is simply no chance the B12 will be anything but, the bottom of a P4 football setup, hence they need a Zags program, maybe UConn to add to Zona, and Kansas as regular Elite teams. Add in the varied success of other B12 teams they would be a far better hoops conference than football. I'm sure the Zags would love more money, but at what expense for their overall program success and that of their other programs. I do not know much about the Zags, but I've never heard that they are scraping by. I've always thought as a private university they like the west coast affiliations, but I guess money talks?! If the want an elite hoops conference, the need to invite us. Those top programs need to beat someone. They can always pay us for NC game(s)?? |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 9, 2023 19:43:29 GMT -8
Since the playoffs started, Oklahoma has been by far the most successful Big 12 program. It is leaving. Texas is the conference's other heavy hitter, especially now that it has a decent coach, and it's leaving. BTW, Cincinnato wasn't in the Big 12 when it went to the playoffs. It was in the AAC. You are giving the Big 12 credit for top-10 finishes from teams that were not even in the Big 12, Utah, UCF, Arizona and Houston. They haven't done anything yet as Big 12 teams. But I'm not gonna be a smartass about it. TCU made the playoffs. It got a fluke win over Michigan and then lost the title game BY 58 POINTS. Its funny when people respond to a post that is quoting another post, but dont take the time to read what is quoted. The knee-jerk reaction of some posters who just like to hear themselves type is always amusing. So let me hold your hand here. We are talking about the quality of the Big 12 starting in 2024 (that reference to the Big 12 taking the Pacs corner schools should have clued you in, if not the fact this thread is about Ganzaga possibly joining the Big 12). The only way to do that is to reflect on the recent past success of the programs that will make up the Big 12 in 2024. So once again, that will include 2 teams that made the playoffs the past two years and a total of 9 teams that have finished the season ranked in the top 10. Plus BYU, K State, etc. Starting in 2024 the ACC has had exactly 3 teams finish in top 10 since 2014, one being Stanford. As for your TCU was a fluke comment. They beat the Big 10 champ to get to the championship game...and played 7 top 25 ranked teams to get to championship game. Michigan and Ohio State played 2 each before losing in playoffs. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 9, 2023 20:04:02 GMT -8
Under the format in place at the time, TCU even making the CFP was a complete fluke. It didn't even win its own conference championship game. It earned a fluke victory over Michigan and then LOST BY 58 POINTS in the championship game. Wake me up when TCU ever comes close again to making the CFP, even with the 12-team field.
The Big 12 will be the No. 4-ranked conference in college football next year. By a wide, wide, wide margin from No. 3.
Among TCU's "ranked" opponents last year were Oklahoma, Kansas and Oklahoma State. Kansas was ranked because it was 5-0 when it played TCU. It lost 7 of its final 8 games to finish 6-7. Kansas sucked.
Oklahoma was ranked because it's Oklahoma, then ended up 6-7. It sucked. Okie State finished 7-6. None of those teams were ranked anywhere close to the top 40, much less the top 25, when the season ended, which is the true determination of how good a team you are.
The Big 12 went a glorious 2-7 in bowl games last year. The Big 12 was, and will remain, overhyped garbage, especially with Oklahoma and Texas leaving.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 9, 2023 20:38:21 GMT -8
Since the playoffs started, Oklahoma has been by far the most successful Big 12 program. It is leaving. Texas is the conference's other heavy hitter, especially now that it has a decent coach, and it's leaving. BTW, Cincinnato wasn't in the Big 12 when it went to the playoffs. It was in the AAC. You are giving the Big 12 credit for top-10 finishes from teams that were not even in the Big 12, Utah, UCF, Arizona and Houston. They haven't done anything yet as Big 12 teams. But I'm not gonna be a smartass about it. TCU made the playoffs. It got a fluke win over Michigan and then lost the title game BY 58 POINTS. Its funny when people respond to a post that is quoting another post, but dont take the time to read what is quoted. The knee-jerk reaction of some posters who just like to hear themselves type is always amusing. So let me hold your hand here. We are talking about the quality of the Big 12 starting in 2024 (that reference to the Big 12 taking the Pacs corner schools should have clued you in, if not the fact this thread is about Ganzaga possibly joining the Big 12). The only way to do that is to reflect on the recent past success of the programs that will make up the Big 12 in 2024. So once again, that will include 2 teams that made the playoffs the past two years and a total of 9 teams that have finished the season ranked in the top 10. Plus BYU, K State, etc. Starting in 2024 the ACC has had exactly 3 teams finish in top 10 since 2014, one being Stanford. As for your TCU was a fluke comment. They beat the Big 10 champ to get to the championship game...and played 7 top 25 ranked teams to get to championship game. Michigan and Ohio State played 2 each before losing in playoffs. Speaking of sometime who not only likes to type but skews the data to a still invalid conclusion. Henry pretty much laid it out in simplistic fashion. The B12 list any cache when OK & TX walked. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 10, 2023 6:09:19 GMT -8
Under the format in place at the time, TCU even making the CFP was a complete fluke. It didn't even win its own conference championship game. It earned a fluke victory over Michigan and then LOST BY 58 POINTS in the championship game. Wake me up when TCU ever comes close again to making the CFP, even with the 12-team field. The Big 12 will be the No. 4-ranked conference in college football next year. By a wide, wide, wide margin from No. 3. Among TCU's "ranked" opponents last year were Oklahoma, Kansas and Oklahoma State. Kansas was ranked because it was 5-0 when it played TCU. It lost 7 of its final 8 games to finish 6-7. Kansas sucked. Oklahoma was ranked because it's Oklahoma, then ended up 6-7. It sucked. Okie State finished 7-6. None of those teams were ranked anywhere close to the top 40, much less the top 25, when the season ended, which is the true determination of how good a team you are. The Big 12 went a glorious 2-7 in bowl games last year. The Big 12 was, and will remain, overhyped garbage, especially with Oklahoma and Texas leaving. So basically...a team is a fluke if ut gets crushed in the championship game by one of the best follege football teams ever, even if it won 13 games and beat the Big 10 Champ, which played 2 ranked teams all season. Got it. I sure wish OSU would put together a few fluke seasons. Big 12 is #4 hmmmm The future Big 12 had 2 teams finish ranked in top 10 last year. The ACC had zero. In 2021 it had 3 teams finish in top 10, the ACC zero. In 2020 it had 2 teams finish in top 10, the ACC 1. If you remove Clemson and FSU from the equation...not one current ACC team has finished ranked in top 10 in past 10 years! Nor has Texas for that matter, will be fun watching Texas and OK morph into Texas A&M in SEC Good thing ACC added national powers Stanford, Cal, and SMU to secure their spot in the college football conference hierarchy. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 10, 2023 6:48:02 GMT -8
Its funny when people respond to a post that is quoting another post, but dont take the time to read what is quoted. The knee-jerk reaction of some posters who just like to hear themselves type is always amusing. So let me hold your hand here. We are talking about the quality of the Big 12 starting in 2024 (that reference to the Big 12 taking the Pacs corner schools should have clued you in, if not the fact this thread is about Ganzaga possibly joining the Big 12). The only way to do that is to reflect on the recent past success of the programs that will make up the Big 12 in 2024. So once again, that will include 2 teams that made the playoffs the past two years and a total of 9 teams that have finished the season ranked in the top 10. Plus BYU, K State, etc. Starting in 2024 the ACC has had exactly 3 teams finish in top 10 since 2014, one being Stanford. As for your TCU was a fluke comment. They beat the Big 10 champ to get to the championship game...and played 7 top 25 ranked teams to get to championship game. Michigan and Ohio State played 2 each before losing in playoffs. Speaking of sometime who not only likes to type but skews the data to a still invalid conclusion. Henry pretty much laid it out in simplistic fashion. The B12 list any cache when OK & TX walked. LOL Texas. Texas has been s%#t since Vince Young walked off campus. They will soon be battling Texas A&M for 6th or 7th place in the SEC. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 10, 2023 9:02:08 GMT -8
If you remove Clemson and FSU from the equation...not one current ACC team has finished ranked in top 10 in past 10 years!
But you can't. Because unlike Texas and Oklahoma, they are not leaving their current conference. They will be in the ACC next year. The ACC will be a stronger league than the Big 12.
Hey, if you remove the Yankees from the equation, no New York City team has won a World Series since 1986!
I'd love for OSU to put together a fluke season. Wait, we did in 2000! And we haven't come close to duplicating it in 23 years since (or 50 years before).
I'd love for us to put together a fluke season like TCU did. But I would also acknowledge it for what it was ... a fluke, and very, very, very, very likely to never be repeated. Just like 2000 was for us, and like 2022 was for TCU.
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Post by ag87 on Oct 10, 2023 10:39:23 GMT -8
Using your term, fluke. 2023 has a chance to be a 12-1 season and entering the four-team CFP. Admittedly, I'd say it's somewhere between a 1 to 5% chance, but every player and staff member has that in their consciousness. If that were to happen, the SEC y B10 honks would be saying stuff like, "we told you USC, UW, and whoregon were overrated all year (I know Finnebaum will say that) and a bowl game between OSU and the third place B10 team is a nice reward for their lucky season."
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 10, 2023 11:44:44 GMT -8
If you remove Clemson and FSU from the equation...not one current ACC team has finished ranked in top 10 in past 10 years!
But you can't. Because unlike Texas and Oklahoma, they are not leaving their current conference. They will be in the ACC next year. The ACC will be a stronger league than the Big 12. Hey, if you remove the Yankees from the equation, no New York City team has won a World Series since 1986! I'd love for OSU to put together a fluke season. Wait, we did in 2000! And we haven't come close to duplicating it in 23 years since (or 50 years before). I'd love for us to put together a fluke season like TCU did. But I would also acknowledge it for what it was ... a fluke, and very, very, very, very likely to never be repeated. Just like 2000 was for us, and like 2022 was for TCU. Not for a lack of trying. |
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Post by 93beav on Oct 11, 2023 10:31:04 GMT -8
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 11, 2023 14:15:45 GMT -8
If you remove Clemson and FSU from the equation...not one current ACC team has finished ranked in top 10 in past 10 years!
But you can't. Because unlike Texas and Oklahoma, they are not leaving their current conference. They will be in the ACC next year. The ACC will be a stronger league than the Big 12. Hey, if you remove the Yankees from the equation, no New York City team has won a World Series since 1986! I'd love for OSU to put together a fluke season. Wait, we did in 2000! And we haven't come close to duplicating it in 23 years since (or 50 years before). I'd love for us to put together a fluke season like TCU did. But I would also acknowledge it for what it was ... a fluke, and very, very, very, very likely to never be repeated. Just like 2000 was for us, and like 2022 was for TCU. OK...so 3 in entire conference, one being Stanford! It's pretty clear you're not comprehending the point being made here. But that was evident from your first post. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 11, 2023 16:10:03 GMT -8
If you remove Clemson and FSU from the equation...not one current ACC team has finished ranked in top 10 in past 10 years!
But you can't. Because unlike Texas and Oklahoma, they are not leaving their current conference. They will be in the ACC next year. The ACC will be a stronger league than the Big 12. Hey, if you remove the Yankees from the equation, no New York City team has won a World Series since 1986! I'd love for OSU to put together a fluke season. Wait, we did in 2000! And we haven't come close to duplicating it in 23 years since (or 50 years before). I'd love for us to put together a fluke season like TCU did. But I would also acknowledge it for what it was ... a fluke, and very, very, very, very likely to never be repeated. Just like 2000 was for us, and like 2022 was for TCU. OK...so 3 in entire conference, one being Stanford! It's pretty clear you're not comprehending the point being made here. But that was evident from your first post. I understand your point perfectly. However, I refuse to credit past accomplishments in other leagues to the future Big 12, like you do. Until those teams actually accomplish something in the Big 12 - which Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati aren't doing, as they are a combined 11-10, with only BYU having a winning record, with two wins over de-facto FCS programs - the league will by far be the worst of the P4, by a wide margin, without Texas and Oklahoma. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 12, 2023 9:22:42 GMT -8
OK...so 3 in entire conference, one being Stanford! It's pretty clear you're not comprehending the point being made here. But that was evident from your first post. I understand your point perfectly. However, I refuse to credit past accomplishments in other leagues to the future Big 12, like you do. Until those teams actually accomplish something in the Big 12 - which Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati aren't doing, as they are a combined 11-10, with only BYU having a winning record, with two wins over de-facto FCS programs - the league will by far be the worst of the P4, by a wide margin, without Texas and Oklahoma. Good. Because not in a million years would you call OSU a fluke if they had a year like TCU last year...and they just might get the chance moving forward. Assuming they don't jump to that s%#tty conference Big 12. Will also be sadly hilarious when Clemson plays a 12 game schedule and their toughest games may be against South Carolina, NC State, and Syracuse. Before they bail on the conference in a year or two and join the SEC |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 12, 2023 11:39:19 GMT -8
I understand your point perfectly. However, I refuse to credit past accomplishments in other leagues to the future Big 12, like you do. Until those teams actually accomplish something in the Big 12 - which Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati aren't doing, as they are a combined 11-10, with only BYU having a winning record, with two wins over de-facto FCS programs - the league will by far be the worst of the P4, by a wide margin, without Texas and Oklahoma. Good. Because not in a million years would you call OSU a fluke if they had a year like TCU last year...and they just might get the chance moving forward. Assuming they don't jump to that s%#tty conference Big 12. Will also be sadly hilarious when Clemson plays a 12 game schedule and their toughest games may be against South Carolina, NC State, and Syracuse. Before they bail on the conference in a year or two and join the SEC Well, I already said our 2000 season was a fluke, a complete and total outlier, considering that we haven't had a comparable season in more than 100 years of football. So yes, if we somehow made it to the championship game, I'd certainly enjoy it but I'd also consider it a fluke and would not hold my breath about it happening again in my lifetime. |
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