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Post by bill82 on Sept 22, 2023 13:04:05 GMT -8
Bill / anyone for that matter, apparently the O and W's counsel delivered to the conference letters stating they were not / had not formally withdrawn from the conference blah blah blah. IF so, please post them. To me this is a smoking gun and a significant blunder on their part. You can try to tell someone in writing you're not rear ending them while you're rear ending them, but it's not believable. And even more astounding than the audacity to do so is, the fact you only drive home the point you were fully 100% conscious of your actions and knew exactly how everyone else would perceive them and still attempted to find an escape hatch so as not to be held accountable for your fully conscious actions. See above. Identical letters in case you were wondering if they were working together.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 22, 2023 13:27:37 GMT -8
Bill / anyone for that matter, apparently the O and W's counsel delivered to the conference letters stating they were not / had not formally withdrawn from the conference blah blah blah. IF so, please post them. To me this is a smoking gun and a significant blunder on their part. You can try to tell someone in writing you're not rear ending them while you're rear ending them, but it's not believable. And even more astounding than the audacity to do so is, the fact you only drive home the point you were fully 100% conscious of your actions and knew exactly how everyone else would perceive them and still attempted to find an escape hatch so as not to be held accountable for your fully conscious actions. See above. Identical letters in case you were wondering if they were working together. I personally was not wondering, to me there was no doubt. Others who may have extended a more lenient benefit of doubt can see the clear evidence in these letters both the O and W were working in lock step with each other. About the only surprising thing to me in all this is, how little faith Oregon had in the power or their own brand as evidenced by their actions; first they girlfriend bestie UW, then knife rest of P12 in back for the pleasure of accepting a reduced membership in the B1G which makes them a stepchild to UCLA/USC who received full fledged memberships. That part surprises me. It suggests their confidence in the brand and any leverage it may bring is limited to only ongoing success. Or in other words, unlike a Texas for example, who has been down for a number of years and can still negotiate their own terms.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 22, 2023 13:45:12 GMT -8
This sure seems to be the optimal route.
I posted before . . . for UO and UW to vote against us would mean taking our share of the assets and sending the majority of them to the other schools. If the total number is $100m, then they would be taking $40m from us, sending $30m to other schools, and keeping $10m for themselves.
Would UO and UW really take $40m from us to get $10m for themselves? That doesn't seem politically prudent.
I would not trust them to honor that agreement one bit. They agreed to the Apple deal and GOR the night before they pulled the no show at the vote and signing meeting. It would be like Charlie Brown trusting Lucy to hold for a kick. Add to that those two schools are only taking a partial share and adding millions to their travel expenses to join the Big 10, there's a fair chance they will be making less than they would have under the Apple deal. Dishonorable and dumb are not necessarily good traits to rely on.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 22, 2023 15:41:00 GMT -8
My bigger question is who wrote these letters for the schools? Somebody at the Pac-12 office advised them here. Their letters are identical. These universities were handed boiler plate language to use. Somebody should ask that question. Who advised Oregon and UW to identically state the exact same thing to clarify their ability to vote when previously for USC, UCLA and CU they were told explicitly they lose their board seat?
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Post by bill82 on Sept 22, 2023 17:36:48 GMT -8
My bigger question is who wrote these letters for the schools? Somebody at the Pac-12 office advised them here. Their letters are identical. These universities were handed boiler plate language to use. Somebody should ask that question. Who advised Oregon and UW to identically state the exact same thing to clarify their ability to vote when previously for USC, UCLA and CU they were told explicitly they lose their board seat? UO and UW sent these letters before the Pac 12 told them they were losing their seats. The UCLA and USC responses look similar but they followed the Pac 12 telling them they lost their seats.
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Post by sparty on Sept 22, 2023 20:55:58 GMT -8
My bigger question is who wrote these letters for the schools?Somebody at the Pac-12 office advised them here. Their letters are identical. These universities were handed boiler plate language to use. Somebody should ask that question. Who advised Oregon and UW to identically state the exact same thing to clarify their ability to vote when previously for USC, UCLA and CU they were told explicitly they lose their board seat? You know that answer. George K. had them written or wrote them himself. He is working for the Pac-10 side 100%. So why is he still employed and given a pass here time and time again? Why is everyone so easy on George K.?
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Post by bill82 on Sept 25, 2023 17:43:02 GMT -8
I received UCLA response to my public records request. You can see the document (and a lot of emails) here. I did not receive ancillary agreement and their grants of rights which are mentioned in their conference agreement. In my first pass, I'm struck by a provision that permits UCLA to terminate the agreement if the conference membership is materially different than when they signed in June 2022. This suggest to me that they were consulted on UO and UW's applications and may have given their support to the new members. Basically UCLA, and probably USC, agreeing to something that broke the Pac 12.
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Post by beav8807 on Sept 25, 2023 18:49:07 GMT -8
This is my first time trying to link something so cut me some slack if it doesn't work, but click below and this is on the University of Washington official athletics website. Seems pretty close to a formal announcement
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 25, 2023 19:45:37 GMT -8
I received UCLA response to my public records request. You can see the document (and a lot of emails) here. I did not receive ancillary agreement and their grants of rights which are mentioned in their conference agreement. In my first pass, I'm struck by a provision that permits UCLA to terminate the agreement if the conference membership is materially different than when they signed in June 2022. This suggest to me that they were consulted on UO and UW's applications and may have given their support to the new members. Basically UCLA, and probably USC, agreeing to something that broke the Pac 12. The addition of Washington and Oregon will significantly reduce UCLA's travel fees, which will be substantially higher than USC's because UCLA offers several Big Ten sports USC doesn't (softball, men's soccer, gymnastics). It's in UCLA's financial interest to have two more West Coast teams.
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 25, 2023 20:07:19 GMT -8
This is my first time trying to link something so cut me some slack if it doesn't work, but click below and this is on the University of Washington official athletics website. Seems pretty close to a formal announcementIf you issue a press release (which that appears to be) to the world at large, would not the PAC 12 office be considered a part of that world? Have you not just notified them that you're leaving?
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 25, 2023 21:15:13 GMT -8
I asked the question some time ago: when you tell the world, ain't that notifying the Pac office, too? It has also been previously noted that the PAC Handbook doesn't specify what "notice" or "notification" is with regard to leaving - whereas other operations, such as reporting ticket sales or referee complaints have very clear instructions as to what constitutes a proper communication to the conference office. This is why the only winners in this for the next several months will be the lawyers.
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Post by beavfan14 on Sept 26, 2023 8:17:57 GMT -8
I hereby am stating that we need to continue to receive our benefits until Aug of 2024. We are in fact not leaving until we leave, for which we will then have left. But until we have left we will not be leaving. We will only be leaving when it is beneficial to have left but not before we are leaving. Therefore, we expect everyone to disregard our very public leaving notice until we have officially left because we haven't officially told anyone we are leaving, except the whole world. So, in summary, we will not be leaving until Aug of next year in which we will most likely be leaving until such time we have officially left. Sound about Right?!
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Post by ftd on Sept 26, 2023 8:39:56 GMT -8
I hereby am stating that we need to continue to receive our benefits until Aug of 2024. We are in fact not leaving until we leave, for which we will then have left. But until we have left we will not be leaving. We will only be leaving when it is beneficial to have left but not before we are leaving. Therefore, we expect everyone to disregard our very public leaving notice until we have officially left because we haven't officially told anyone we are leaving, except the whole world. So, in summary, we will not be leaving until Aug of next year in which we will most likely be leaving until such time we have officially left. Sound about Right?! Right!....or is it Left?
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Post by obf on Sept 26, 2023 10:35:45 GMT -8
UCLA paid a 15 million dollar APPLICATION FEE to the Big 10??? How hilarious if the Big 10 had taken that and said, "Application denied"
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Post by 93beav on Sept 27, 2023 7:41:32 GMT -8
You must be retired? Right? Semi. The request takes 10 minutes to file. Then you wait two months. Then you may get a document that takes an hour to digest if you have read enough of them. UO just let me know I'm not getting anything from them. So I took 10 minutes to file an appeal with the Lane County District Attorney. Now I wait for a couple months. Bill, I presume you are filing FOIA requests? How can they deny the request?
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