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Post by bill82 on Sept 18, 2023 6:48:44 GMT -8
I started the painfully slow process of collecting realignment documents a couple weeks ago. I'm going to blog about what I find and potentially write a journal article on a narrow question. I was granted access to the court documents in WSU/OSU v. Pac 12 so I will start sifting through those this week (800 pages). I'm suppose to get UCLA's agreement with the Big 10 today but not holding my breath. My hobby is writing both academic and trade articles which I know is weird. If anyone else wants to get into the weeds I'll post the source documents on my website (billfarley DOT net). If you are on twitter you can get updates on my progress intermixed with weak takes at @billfarleyphd.
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 18, 2023 11:56:46 GMT -8
I started the painfully slow process of collecting realignment documents a couple weeks ago. I'm going to blog about what I find and potentially write a journal article on a narrow question. I was granted access to the court documents in WSU/OSU v. Pac 12 so I will start sifting through those this week (800 pages). I'm suppose to get UCLA's agreement with the Big 10 today but not holding my breath. My hobby is writing both academic and trade articles which I know is weird. If anyone else wants to get into the weeds I'll post the source documents on my website (billfarley DOT net). If you are on twitter you can get updates on my progress intermixed with weak takes at @billfarleyphd. This is interesting. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Sept 18, 2023 12:30:12 GMT -8
When you are done, make them a offer they can’t refuse
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Post by bill82 on Sept 18, 2023 12:40:27 GMT -8
As I suspected UCLA informed me today they can't find their year-old agreement with the Big 10 until October 13. I requested August 25. I'm guessing this will be a three month process for arguably the most talked about contract for the university in the past year.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Sept 18, 2023 13:12:50 GMT -8
Well if they know when they will find it, they must know where it is.........
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Post by bdudbeaver on Sept 18, 2023 17:13:14 GMT -8
This is what our public universities have come to.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 18, 2023 19:51:50 GMT -8
Ask the B10 for the docs. They are public record, have the contracts for every team, and have a specialized department/office to take the requests.
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Post by bill82 on Sept 18, 2023 20:00:49 GMT -8
The documents were not to bad to review. Two of them attached the Pac 12 Bylaws which inflated the page count.
My initial impressions are:
1) UW and UO can stop all the nonsense by pledging to vote with OSU and WSU. That ends any possibility of nine members (3/4 vote) effectively dissolving the conference. All other sister institutions stuck together (ASU/UA, Cal/Stanford, USC/UCLA) it seems the least UW and UO can do at this point. They are the only institutions to state that they should not be present when voting on new members. Everyone else is either silent of against this restriction.
2) Several universities accuse Pac 12 conference staff of lying when documenting verbal communications. Seems like a smoke there is fire situation where the bureaucrats at the conference have gone rouge.
3) The Pac 12 was vetting participation of departing members on boards and committees for conflict of interest issues early on during the parade of exits. They made a 180 degree turn with the meeting they called which was stopped with the TRO. They were leaving it the members to self-determine conflicts. That is nuts and OSU and WSU were right to avoid that trap.
4) Everyone is asking everyone else to retain ALL records and communications. Guns drawn.
5) GK feels the gang of backstabbers can meet together with OSU and WSU and have a cordial meeting that will result in a fair outcome. WTF.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 18, 2023 20:25:29 GMT -8
The documents were not to bad to review. Two of them attached the Pac 12 Bylaws which inflated the page count. My initial impressions are: 1) UW and UO can stop all the nonsense by pledging to vote with OSU and WSU. That ends any possibility of nine members (3/4 vote) effectively dissolving the conference. All other sister institutions stuck together (ASU/UA, Cal/Stanford, USC/UCLA) it seems the least UW and UO can do at this point. They are the only institutions to state that they should not be present when voting on new members. Everyone else is either silent of against this restriction. 2) Several universities accuse Pac 12 conference staff of lying when documenting verbal communications. Seems like a smoke there is fire situation where the bureaucrats at the conference have gone rouge. 3) The Pac 12 was vetting participation of departing members on boards and committees for conflict of interest issues early on during the parade of exits. They made a 180 degree turn with the meeting they called which was stopped with the TRO. They were leaving it the members to self-determine conflicts. That is nuts and OSU and WSU were right to avoid that trap. 4) Everyone is asking everyone else to retain ALL records and communications. Guns drawn. 5) GK feels the gang of backstabbers can meet together with OSU and WSU and have a cordial meeting that will result in a fair outcome. WTF. "Going rouge"  |
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 18, 2023 20:40:19 GMT -8
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 18, 2023 20:52:31 GMT -8
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 18, 2023 21:25:40 GMT -8
And finally, here's something I started researching, but never had time to finish. The entire subject is related to "Liquidated Damages". In a nutshell, if 6 teams leave the Mountain West Conference to join the PAC-X, did 6 x $34M = $204M in damages to the MWC really take place? So can the departing schools lawyer up and get a reduced exit fee? Here's thread on a Utah State message board that covers "liquidated damages". The interesting post is by "bwcrc", September 3rd, 2023, @ 8:15 pm at the bottom of the first page. www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=68259And if you want to become an expert on liquidated damages, then here you go: digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1284&context=msljI was going to research liquidated damages further before posting, but I've been quite busy (it's football season!). |
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Post by bill82 on Sept 21, 2023 10:36:57 GMT -8
I've completed a review of the court filings and distilled my thoughts into a blog post. Here is the conclusion (see the blog post for the findings) OSU and WSU are at a disadvantage now for several reasons, 1) a super majority is in place to dissolve or strip the conference assets, 2) the defecting members never stipulated to the Conference’s interpretation of the “Notice of Withdrawal” provision, 3) over the past year a super majority of the Conference membership did not amend the bylaws to clarify the condition under which a member forfeited their board seat, 4) there is no indication at this point that their sister universities will join the two in a voting block that could preserve the conference. At this point, the best course of action for WSU and OSU appears to be 1) use legal channels to delay any vote of the full conference membership, 2) Seek a settlement with the leverage that the discovery process for a trial could be damaging to some of the universities and the outgoing media partners, and 3) use political channels to have the University of Oregon and University of Washington join with them in a voting block that can thwart any votes to change the bylaws. It is a narrow path to succeed, and unless there is a quick lifeline from the Big 12, it could prove to be a very long one that could last well beyond this season. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 21, 2023 10:52:08 GMT -8
The documents were not to bad to review. Two of them attached the Pac 12 Bylaws which inflated the page count. My initial impressions are: 1) UW and UO can stop all the nonsense by pledging to vote with OSU and WSU. That ends any possibility of nine members (3/4 vote) effectively dissolving the conference. All other sister institutions stuck together (ASU/UA, Cal/Stanford, USC/UCLA) it seems the least UW and UO can do at this point. They are the only institutions to state that they should not be present when voting on new members. Everyone else is either silent of against this restriction. 2) Several universities accuse Pac 12 conference staff of lying when documenting verbal communications. Seems like a smoke there is fire situation where the bureaucrats at the conference have gone rouge. 3) The Pac 12 was vetting participation of departing members on boards and committees for conflict of interest issues early on during the parade of exits. They made a 180 degree turn with the meeting they called which was stopped with the TRO. They were leaving it the members to self-determine conflicts. That is nuts and OSU and WSU were right to avoid that trap. 4) Everyone is asking everyone else to retain ALL records and communications. Guns drawn. 5) GK feels the gang of backstabbers can meet together with OSU and WSU and have a cordial meeting that will result in a fair outcome. WTF. GK's only mission right now is angling for the best golden parachute possible. A vote to dissolve the conference allows him a better opportunity to negotiate is exit package. WSU and OSU can just fire his ass. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 21, 2023 11:34:24 GMT -8
I started the painfully slow process of collecting realignment documents a couple weeks ago. I'm going to blog about what I find and potentially write a journal article on a narrow question. I was granted access to the court documents in WSU/OSU v. Pac 12 so I will start sifting through those this week (800 pages). I'm suppose to get UCLA's agreement with the Big 10 today but not holding my breath. My hobby is writing both academic and trade articles which I know is weird. If anyone else wants to get into the weeds I'll post the source documents on my website (billfarley DOT net). If you are on twitter you can get updates on my progress intermixed with weak takes at @billfarleyphd. You must be retired? Right? |
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