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Post by Headcase on Sept 14, 2023 18:36:47 GMT -8
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 14, 2023 18:48:35 GMT -8
It is like his interpretation of USC/UCLA then Colorado simply never happened. He has everything going for him, except public sentiment, the facts and the law. His handling of all this has been hysterically clumsy |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 14, 2023 18:50:46 GMT -8
It's disgusting that he is trying to include the schools that have cratered the conference that he still oversees, even if only by title at this point. I would say I'm surprised but this is par for the course for Pac 12 leadership. Larry Scott took a big pile of cash on the way out. I don't see this as any different. Hopefully it'll all come out in court. Kliavkoff is a nutless little piece of s%#t
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 14, 2023 18:58:24 GMT -8
Thanks for the link.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 14, 2023 19:01:35 GMT -8
It is like his interpretation of USC/UCLA then Colorado simply never happened. He has everything going for him, except public sentiment, the facts and the law. His handling of all this has been hysterically clumsy Public sentiment of Beaver and cougar fans, not sure fans of the judas teams agree. A big question is whether the notice needs to be written or is verbal enough to be binding. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 14, 2023 19:04:28 GMT -8
It is like his interpretation of USC/UCLA then Colorado simply never happened. He has everything going for him, except public sentiment, the facts and the law. His handling of all this has been hysterically clumsy Public sentiment of Beaver and cougar fans, not sure fans of the judas teams agree. I would disagree. Sportswriters and commentators don't like this. Most duck fans I know HATE this. Plenty of non revenue athletes and families hate this. There are even plenty of duck fans who are pleased with the move to B1G that don't like the optics of stripping the car on the way out |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 14, 2023 19:16:58 GMT -8
How did the league ever hire this buffoon. He is literally stealing money because he isn't doing sh#t. The MWC commish would have been a much better hire.
Somebody get George some mouthwash cuz it smells like he is talking out his ass.
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 14, 2023 19:32:57 GMT -8
Kliavkoff wrote this:
“That said, I do have the view that there are decisions (for example, which, if any, schools to invite to join the Conference after July 1, 2024) that should solely be made by OSU and WSU, to the exclusion of our ten other members.”
In that sentence, in writing, the PAC-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff acknowledges that 10 schools are leaving the conference. He acknowledged that fact by stating that only Oregon State and Washington State should decide which schools to invite to join the conference. Which means, presently Oregon State and Washington State are the only schools not departing the conference.
USC and UCLA have already recused themselves from participating on the Board of Directors. The other eight departing schools should now also recuse themselves from participating at Board of Directors meetings.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 14, 2023 19:38:50 GMT -8
Public sentiment of Beaver and cougar fans, not sure fans of the judas teams agree. I would disagree. Sportswriters and commentators don't like this. Most duck fans I know HATE this. Plenty of non revenue athletes and families hate this. There are even plenty of duck fans who are pleased with the move to B1G that don't like the optics of stripping the car on the way out Disagree all you want but I'd be willing to bet that there are a lot more fans of the judas schools that feel they deserve their share of the money earned while they are members of the pacific conference than don't. That is a question to be determined in the courts. Could it be that your uck friends are being nice or avoiding an awkward conversation? I'm a lone Beaver fan in an extended family of uo, uw and cu alumni. We decided that until the courts decide nothing good will come from arguing what schools should get what. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 14, 2023 19:43:51 GMT -8
I hope those who previously defended Kliavkoff that he only acted at the direction of the Board and was neutral in all of this reconsider their position based upon this. It is obvious he is acting in his own self interest and that of the departing members. He is guilty in the court of douchebaggery.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 14, 2023 19:45:39 GMT -8
Kliavkoff wrote this: “That said, I do have the view that there are decisions (for example, which, if any, schools to invite to join the Conference after July 1, 2024) that should solely be made by OSU and WSU, to the exclusion of our ten other members.” In that sentence, in writing, the PAC-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff acknowledges that 10 schools are leaving the conference. He acknowledged that fact by stating that only Oregon State and Washington State should decide which schools to invite to join the conference. Which means, presently Oregon State and Washington State are the only schools not departing the conference. USC and UCLA have already recused themselves from participating on the Board of Directors. The other eight departing schools should now also recuse themselves from participating at Board of Directors meetings. What he acknowledges or says has little bearing in the legal status. He appears to be playing both sides. |
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 14, 2023 19:46:38 GMT -8
It is like his interpretation of USC/UCLA then Colorado simply never happened. He has everything going for him, except public sentiment, the facts and the law. His handling of all this has been hysterically clumsy I can actually see what George is saying (parroting?) when he says that no teams have given notice that they intend to leave "prior to the end of the current fiscal year on July 31, 2024", and I can see how that could be interpreted to mean that all teams are still on the board and still able to vote. But, as you point out, that grey area seems to have been completely clarified when USC, UCLA, and Colorado were excluded from the board and voting as soon as they gave notice of their intent ot leave. George (probably, again, parroting the Traitorous 10) seems to want to ignore that precedent simply because they (he says "we") NOW don't want just 2 teams left on the board. Nobody had a problem when 10 teams were left on the board and then 9 teams left, but now that only 2 teams have any interest in keeping the conference going, it suddenly is unacceptable? I do understand that *some* conference issues, specifically related to on-going operations and keeping the conference solvent and meeting its obligations this season, should probably not be left up entirely to OSU and WSU. But, as the judge ruled earlier this week, those issues can be resolved in writing, with no board meeting and no vote. The BOARD, which is the question that OSU and WSU want answered, should undeniably be 2 schools at this point and they should have sole discretion on any issues that can in any way affect the conference after the end of this fiscal year. If any of the departing schools can't deal with this, then they can try to rescind their intention to leave the conference. MAYBE OSU and WSU will let them back in. |
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 14, 2023 20:27:13 GMT -8
I'll bet whatever next conference is formed, attention will be paid in making sure that a specific definition and procedure for "giv[ing] notice" will be written into the handbook.
I mean, it's in the handbook what and how reporting to the conference means for ticket sales, or referee disputes, and a number of other items. But in Chapter 3 of the handbook, it only says "give notice" with regard to members intent to leave before the end of the term - without defining notice or the procedure thereof. George is trying to have his cake and eat it too...just like the quitters.
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 14, 2023 20:28:44 GMT -8
Mike wrote:
I respectfully suggest they all take turns peeing up a rope instead.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 14, 2023 20:42:42 GMT -8
It is like his interpretation of USC/UCLA then Colorado simply never happened. He has everything going for him, except public sentiment, the facts and the law. His handling of all this has been hysterically clumsy I can actually see what George is saying (parroting?) when he says that no teams have given notice that they intend to leave "prior to the end of the current fiscal year on July 31, 2024", and I can see how that could be interpreted to mean that all teams are still on the board and still able to vote. But, as you point out, that grey area seems to have been completely clarified when USC, UCLA, and Colorado were excluded from the board and voting as soon as they gave notice of their intent ot leave. George (probably, again, parroting the Traitorous 10) seems to want to ignore that precedent simply because they (he says "we") NOW don't want just 2 teams left on the board. Nobody had a problem when 10 teams were left on the board and then 9 teams left, but now that only 2 teams have any interest in keeping the conference going, it suddenly is unacceptable? I do understand that *some* conference issues, specifically related to on-going operations and keeping the conference solvent and meeting its obligations this season, should probably not be left up entirely to OSU and WSU. But, as the judge ruled earlier this week, those issues can be resolved in writing, with no board meeting and no vote. The BOARD, which is the question that OSU and WSU want answered, should undeniably be 2 schools at this point and they should have sole discretion on any issues that can in any way affect the conference after the end of this fiscal year. If any of the departing schools can't deal with this, then they can try to rescind their intention to leave the conference. MAYBE OSU and WSU will let them back in. One issue is whether usc, ucla, and cu gave written notice or just verbal. I haven't heard either way. |
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