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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 17, 2023 18:42:22 GMT -8
You skip over the part, where he badmouthed the conference and then let the Big Ten outmaneuver the Pac-12, while George K. apparently did nothing. The only reason that the $30 million offer by ESPN/Fox was a "great" offer was because he had already lost UCLA and USC through neglect and stupidity. As for the $30 million offer itself, I believe that any moron would have received that offer. It was the response that proves George K. didn't get it. The conference without UCLA and USC is not worth $50 million a year, not even close. And he should have known that. But he went in there and made that stupid offer anyway and destroyed the Pac-12. If the Presidents wanted him to make that $50 million offer, it was his job to explain to them what would happen, if he did that, and to proffer his resignation, if they did not come back with a lower offer than $50 million. Also, from what I have heard, he was really banking on the State of California forcing UCLA back into the Pac-12 (I have a personal theory as to why this would be, but I cannot post it here) at the end of last year, which was ultimately stupid, as well. I believe that this is part of the reason why he made the counter that he did. It's all bad. George K. was a terrible hire. I said that he was a terrible hire after his first post-bowl comments. He also let Chip Kelly and UCLA jerk around the Pac-12's friends at the Holiday Bowl. Outside of the Pac-12 Championship Game, the bowls are the biggest revenue generators of any individual games. And he just did not get that. One of the biggest knocks against Larry Scott was that he did not understand football, but he understood generating revenue and negotiating. George K. not only did not understand football. But he also had no idea how to generate revenue or negotiate. He also did not keep his eye on the prize that were the Southern California schools, which, ultimately, was the glue that held the conference together. Oregon's Schill, who is now at Northwestern, spearheaded firing Scott and hiring George K. Just awful. You can try and turn that sow's ear into a silk purse all that you want. George K. is a dope hired by someone who probably wanted the conference to fail. George K. was in way over his head and, apparently, did not realize it, which sucks. I don't disagree with your take on George......but I think USC was gone a long time before they actually announced it. They blocked all the big 12 stuff. I think they planned this all along. I think they had no confidence in the Pac 12 leadership (no stretch there!) and they decided they were going to do what it took to secure their future, since they're USC......they were going to make sure they were positioned well, the rest of the conference be damned! USC only blocked the Big 12 teams, if they gave them a better deal than USC. USC wanted the same deal. UCLA and USC wanted keep what they earned, rather than splitting all of the media money equally, because it was unfair to UCLA and USC. I believe that the last five years were of more import in UCLA and USC leaving. The Pac-12 was late to the party in getting a 2020 football schedule set, forbade USC from playing Notre Dame, and then allowed Stanford to hold the other 11 members hostage and contract the season down to seven weeks, which, in turn, cost the Pac-12 millions over the millions that they already lost from an equal split. On top of that, I have heard, and I will continue to report that UCLA and USC had great relationships with Larry Scott. Oregon fired Larry Scott and hired George K. I think after a couple of months, the Southern California schools were definitively done. The Pac-12 has had a just awful last six years, an even worse five years, and an even more wretched last three years. The trend was not the Pac-12's friend, but George K. took a bad situation and made it much worse. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 17, 2023 19:22:51 GMT -8
George K wss trying to expand our conference within 30-45 days of taking the job and USC torpedoed it minutes into the first conversation.
You keep insisting he was ignoring USC, but they were at the table for the very first important thing he tried to do. It wasn't months down the road.
Odds are pretty fair they were already planning to be gone when he was hired.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 17, 2023 22:06:11 GMT -8
George K wss trying to expand our conference within 30-45 days of taking the job and USC torpedoed it minutes into the first conversation. You keep insisting he was ignoring USC, but they were at the table for the very first important thing he tried to do. It wasn't months down the road. Odds are pretty fair they were already planning to be gone when he was hired. California, UCLA, USC, and Washington killed the Pacific Coast Conference. USC has been threatening to leave since the 1970s. From what has been reported and what I have read, the vote to not expand was unanimous. So, how exactly did USC torpedo expansion? I believe that the Pac-12 was trying to get Houston to agree to a football and basketball only offer and then to pair them with TCU to get to a Pac-14 (and then see how things shook out after that). Knowing the Pac-12, I would have to believe that Stanford blew that thing out of the sky. USC may have dogpiled on, but I refuse to believe that that came out of UCLA and USC. And I can't believe that, if any of the conference Presidents really wanted that to happen, that it would not have been reported more. |
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Post by obf on Sept 18, 2023 8:50:01 GMT -8
Georgie Porgie is a FTard, a DBag and a Weasel
Leisure Suit Larry was a smooth talking, arrogant, bag of wind, thieving narcissistic megalomaniac.
But lets be honest... This is ALLLLL at the feet of the university presidents.
Whether it was Carol Folt who is a conniving, money hungry back stabber
or Schill who was incompetent, a secret spy for the BIG10, or suffering from *uck *ucker disease.
or Marc Tessier-Lavigne who was too busy being an academic cheat AND an academic snob
or even our very Own Ed Ray, who was overly collegial, gland handy and just happy to be in the room and deferred to the others. (Don't get me wrong, Dr. Ray was a great president in many ways... but athletic conference BOD was not his strong suit, and really, probably shouldn't be. President of a university and BOD for a major sports conference should be two separate jobs)
Tar and Feather GKil and LSco up and down, but save most of the hot sticky stuff for the Presidents!
On a side note, I have been VERY impressed by Dr Murthy and Dr Schulz so far! Maybe they were part of the problem pre exodus as well, but at least they are stepping up now!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 18, 2023 10:59:39 GMT -8
George K wss trying to expand our conference within 30-45 days of taking the job and USC torpedoed it minutes into the first conversation. You keep insisting he was ignoring USC, but they were at the table for the very first important thing he tried to do. It wasn't months down the road. Odds are pretty fair they were already planning to be gone when he was hired. California, UCLA, USC, and Washington killed the Pacific Coast Conference. USC has been threatening to leave since the 1970s. From what has been reported and what I have read, the vote to not expand was unanimous. So, how exactly did USC torpedo expansion? I believe that the Pac-12 was trying to get Houston to agree to a football and basketball only offer and then to pair them with TCU to get to a Pac-14 (and then see how things shook out after that). Knowing the Pac-12, I would have to believe that Stanford blew that thing out of the sky. USC may have dogpiled on, but I refuse to believe that that came out of UCLA and USC. And I can't believe that, if any of the conference Presidents really wanted that to happen, that it would not have been reported more. There was no vote. Kliavkoff put together a panel of 3 Presidents and 3 ADs and all reports on it said Holt torpedoed it. In some reports said she torpedoed it within minutes after expansion was brought up. www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-07-29/usc-president-carol-folt-pac-12-expansionThis little write up, first thing I found after I did a search just now, kinda surprised me, Lincoln Riley was told a move was imminent when he was hired. Now that was November, 3 months after Holt killed expansion, but I get the feeling "imminent" doesn't happen overnight. www.si.com/college/stanford/football/usc-president-reportedly-sabotaged-pac-12-expansion-before-uscs-move-to-big-ten. As it was , they kept the other Pac 12 teams in the dark for 8 months or so after hiring Riley. There was an article published on July 23rd, literally 3 weeks after he arrived, where Kliavkoff talked about expansion www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/23/new-pac-12-commissioner-george-kliavkoff-talks-realignment-if-the-big-12-folds-cfp-expansion-media-strategy-in-wide-ranging-interview/I would not blame Kliavkoff "ignoring" those 2 schools being the reason they were leaving. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 18, 2023 11:36:02 GMT -8
California, UCLA, USC, and Washington killed the Pacific Coast Conference. USC has been threatening to leave since the 1970s. From what has been reported and what I have read, the vote to not expand was unanimous. So, how exactly did USC torpedo expansion? I believe that the Pac-12 was trying to get Houston to agree to a football and basketball only offer and then to pair them with TCU to get to a Pac-14 (and then see how things shook out after that). Knowing the Pac-12, I would have to believe that Stanford blew that thing out of the sky. USC may have dogpiled on, but I refuse to believe that that came out of UCLA and USC. And I can't believe that, if any of the conference Presidents really wanted that to happen, that it would not have been reported more. There was no vote. Kliavkoff put together a panel of 3 Presidents and 3 ADs and all reports on it said Holt torpedoed it. In some reports said she torpedoed it within minutes after expansion was brought up. www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-07-29/usc-president-carol-folt-pac-12-expansionThis little write up, first thing I found after I did a search just now, kinda surprised me, Lincoln Riley was told a move was imminent when he was hired. Now that was November, 3 months after Holt killed expansion, but I get the feeling "imminent" doesn't happen overnight. www.si.com/college/stanford/football/usc-president-reportedly-sabotaged-pac-12-expansion-before-uscs-move-to-big-ten. As it was , they kept the other Pac 12 teams in the dark for 8 months or so after hiring Riley. There was an article published on July 23rd, literally 3 weeks after he arrived, where Kliavkoff talked about expansion www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/23/new-pac-12-commissioner-george-kliavkoff-talks-realignment-if-the-big-12-folds-cfp-expansion-media-strategy-in-wide-ranging-interview/I would not blame Kliavkoff "ignoring" those 2 schools being the reason they were leaving. I'm still reserving final judgement on Kliavkoff. Imagine a situation where a realtor is hired to be the sellers agent, and by the way the property is owned by a 12 member LLC with each member holding 1/12th voting right. Some of the members have an emotional tie to the property and overvalue it in their mind. A few other members are desperate for cash and will accept a near fire sale price. A couple others are indifferent in selling and don't need the money. The Operating Agreement requires a unanimous vote on any sale or purchase of real property. That in and of itself is a recipe for failure. But let's add to the mix this. The said property is so unique that less than a ten buyers in the world exist who would have interest and the means. . . |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 18, 2023 11:36:45 GMT -8
California, UCLA, USC, and Washington killed the Pacific Coast Conference. USC has been threatening to leave since the 1970s. From what has been reported and what I have read, the vote to not expand was unanimous. So, how exactly did USC torpedo expansion? I believe that the Pac-12 was trying to get Houston to agree to a football and basketball only offer and then to pair them with TCU to get to a Pac-14 (and then see how things shook out after that). Knowing the Pac-12, I would have to believe that Stanford blew that thing out of the sky. USC may have dogpiled on, but I refuse to believe that that came out of UCLA and USC. And I can't believe that, if any of the conference Presidents really wanted that to happen, that it would not have been reported more. There was no vote. Kliavkoff put together a panel of 3 Presidents and 3 ADs and all reports on it said Holt torpedoed it. In some reports said she torpedoed it within minutes after expansion was brought up. www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-07-29/usc-president-carol-folt-pac-12-expansionThis little write up, first thing I found after I did a search just now, kinda surprised me, Lincoln Riley was told a move was imminent when he was hired. Now that was November, 3 months after Holt killed expansion, but I get the feeling "imminent" doesn't happen overnight. www.si.com/college/stanford/football/usc-president-reportedly-sabotaged-pac-12-expansion-before-uscs-move-to-big-ten. As it was , they kept the other Pac 12 teams in the dark for 8 months or so after hiring Riley. There was an article published on July 23rd, literally 3 weeks after he arrived, where Kliavkoff talked about expansion www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/23/new-pac-12-commissioner-george-kliavkoff-talks-realignment-if-the-big-12-folds-cfp-expansion-media-strategy-in-wide-ranging-interview/I would not blame Kliavkoff "ignoring" those 2 schools being the reason they were leaving. I think most people agree George's responsibility in the conference implosion was a minority of the fault. However, he had a part in it. The big issues with George is the incompetence and egregious things he has been doing since implosion. Why is he not out there publicly fighting for OSU and WSU? He was publicly fighting for a media deal in press conferences. He has been ABSENT since. As I keep saying, the MWC's commissioner has shown more support publicly for WSU and OSU than George of the Jungle. Way to be an advocate for your 2 remaining members, dipstick! |
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 18, 2023 11:51:01 GMT -8
I think most people agree George's responsibility in the conference implosion was a minority of the fault. However, he had a part in it. The big issues with George is the incompetence and egregious things he has been doing since implosion. Why is he not out there publicly fighting for OSU and WSU? He was publicly fighting for a media deal in press conferences. He has been ABSENT since. As I keep saying, the MWC's commissioner has shown more support publicly for WSU and OSU than George of the Jungle. Way to be an advocate for your 2 remaining members, dipstick! I'm betting he is not publicly fighting for OSU and WSU because he cast his lot with the best shot he has at getting a golden parachute. I hope OSU and WSU fire him for cause. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 18, 2023 12:00:13 GMT -8
I think most people agree George's responsibility in the conference implosion was a minority of the fault. However, he had a part in it. The big issues with George is the incompetence and egregious things he has been doing since implosion. Why is he not out there publicly fighting for OSU and WSU? He was publicly fighting for a media deal in press conferences. He has been ABSENT since. As I keep saying, the MWC's commissioner has shown more support publicly for WSU and OSU than George of the Jungle. Way to be an advocate for your 2 remaining members, dipstick! I do not think George has handled things well lately. He should quit trying to play both sides of some issues and flat out say the bylaws are what the bylaws are, and notice has been given by the actions and words of the 10 departing members. I used to think he'd make it through the school year and then be gone, now, if OSU and WSU win, I have my doubts. Obviously, we'd need someone to stick around and run the conference, the remaining employees should be safe, I'm not so sure if George will make it much beyond the date of the final court case. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 18, 2023 12:03:55 GMT -8
I think most people agree George's responsibility in the conference implosion was a minority of the fault. However, he had a part in it. The big issues with George is the incompetence and egregious things he has been doing since implosion. Why is he not out there publicly fighting for OSU and WSU? He was publicly fighting for a media deal in press conferences. He has been ABSENT since. As I keep saying, the MWC's commissioner has shown more support publicly for WSU and OSU than George of the Jungle. Way to be an advocate for your 2 remaining members, dipstick! I'm betting he is not publicly fighting for OSU and WSU because he cast his lot with the best shot he has at getting a golden parachute. I hope OSU and WSU fire him for cause. People can reasonably disagree on this, but seems to me until the court settles the issue of "who" the conference is at this point, Kliavkoff showing strong support and taking OSU/WSU's side could actually be detrimental to them in the court room. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 18, 2023 12:23:17 GMT -8
California, UCLA, USC, and Washington killed the Pacific Coast Conference. USC has been threatening to leave since the 1970s. From what has been reported and what I have read, the vote to not expand was unanimous. So, how exactly did USC torpedo expansion? I believe that the Pac-12 was trying to get Houston to agree to a football and basketball only offer and then to pair them with TCU to get to a Pac-14 (and then see how things shook out after that). Knowing the Pac-12, I would have to believe that Stanford blew that thing out of the sky. USC may have dogpiled on, but I refuse to believe that that came out of UCLA and USC. And I can't believe that, if any of the conference Presidents really wanted that to happen, that it would not have been reported more. There was no vote. Kliavkoff put together a panel of 3 Presidents and 3 ADs and all reports on it said Holt torpedoed it. In some reports said she torpedoed it within minutes after expansion was brought up. www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-07-29/usc-president-carol-folt-pac-12-expansionThis little write up, first thing I found after I did a search just now, kinda surprised me, Lincoln Riley was told a move was imminent when he was hired. Now that was November, 3 months after Holt killed expansion, but I get the feeling "imminent" doesn't happen overnight. www.si.com/college/stanford/football/usc-president-reportedly-sabotaged-pac-12-expansion-before-uscs-move-to-big-ten. As it was , they kept the other Pac 12 teams in the dark for 8 months or so after hiring Riley. There was an article published on July 23rd, literally 3 weeks after he arrived, where Kliavkoff talked about expansion www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/23/new-pac-12-commissioner-george-kliavkoff-talks-realignment-if-the-big-12-folds-cfp-expansion-media-strategy-in-wide-ranging-interview/I would not blame Kliavkoff "ignoring" those 2 schools being the reason they were leaving. I never trust "unnamed sources." "Unnamed sources" means I literally made this up 99 times out of a 100. If no one is man or woman enough to step up and say it, it never happened. Never. And if it did happen, and those people are not standing up now to clear the record, they are abject cowards, almost as big of a coward as a clickbait "journalist," who is cobbling together a hit piece using "unnamed sources." Click, click, click, click, click. No. Never happened. The articles that you posted are great, though, as to the actual facts. “There is no rush to renegotiate the media rights deals,’’ Kliavkoff said. “The macro trends are all in our favor, and I think they will continue to be in our favor for years to come. Waiting doesn’t hurt us." --George K. on July 23, 2021. Outrageously ridiculous! The dude has absolutely zero clue! And where was George K., when UCLA and USC were accepting bids to the Big Ten? Driving in freaking Idaho. The dude is low energy. He has no idea how to represent or build the conference. He was talking about saving a couple bucks two years down the line. That is his genius move. The 12 Presidents hired a boob. UCLA and USC smelled him out before I realized. But they knew that the conference had hired a Captain Francesco Schettino a couple of months in. Good on them. They were smarter than the rest of us dolts. |
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 18, 2023 12:42:29 GMT -8
My thought is that the gang of 12 (presidents/chancellors), really wanted nothing to do with athletics, so when the mess of conference realignment was dumped into their laps starting with UCLA/USC, they went into things like the TV rights question with parochial disdain. They flunked the test they hadn't studied for, and teacher George is now kissing up to try and save his position from being eliminated before he's got his money secured. Makes me long for the days when Risser was here. He might have talked some sense into the gang of 12 because he understood the tie between athletics and academics better than most.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 18, 2023 12:59:18 GMT -8
My thought is that the gang of 12 (presidents/chancellors), really wanted nothing to do with athletics, so when the mess of conference realignment was dumped into their laps starting with UCLA/USC, they went into things like the TV rights question with parochial disdain. They flunked the test they hadn't studied for, and teacher George is now kissing up to try and save his position from being eliminated before he's got his money secured. Makes me long for the days when Risser was here. He might have talked some sense into the gang of 12 because he understood the tie between athletics and academics better than most. I did not agree with everything that Ed Ray did, but he was a great dollars and cents guy, one of the smartest Presidents. F. King Alexander was a disaster. He was in charge, when Larry Scott was fired. Becky Johnson was Interim President, when George K. was hired. Just awful timing. Oregon State was in such a bad spot at President at such a critical time. |
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