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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 22:46:42 GMT -8
Oregon State makes millions each year, if they keep the Civil War going, even without a media contract. Someone would probably buy that game for at least four million, assuming both teams aren't just straight-up awful. When the Pacific Coast Conference fell apart in 1959, Oregon State kept scheduling the AAWU teams until they were invited back in. They played Stanford and Washington, home and home every year until Oregon State got the invite to rejoin in 1964. And they played Wazzu every year from 1959 to 1963, as well, even after Wazzu beat Oregon State back into the AAWU. Can you f#*king imagine what would have happened, if a bunch of arrogant a##holes back then had torpedoed any efforts to get back into the AAWU. Diplomacy kids. You beat 'em on the field. They schedule someone else and that team makes millions and laughs and laughs and laughs at Oregon State's pride. If you shut out the defectors, you only hurt yourself. You could probably schedule six of the former Pac-12 teams for each of the next two years, if we want to. Then, hopefully, only four more years with a former Pac-12-heavy nonconference schedule before the inevitable invite comes for Oregon State to join back up with one or more of the Pac-12 teams. That is, unless we seclude ourselves in a little mini-tantrum that absolutely no one notices, as everyone else moves to fill the vacuum that we stupidly created. I would say in this case it's more about the principle of it all. There are plenty of "big time" programs OSU can schedule if it so chooses. So money really isn't the issue, even if someone did offer a few million to keep it going. Diplomacy? OSU would be Neville Chamberlain. No tantrums. Just moving on to a new era. Suppose you’re driving across a long stretch of desert and notice that your gas tank is nearly empty. A sign says, “Last gas for 100 miles.” Unfortunately, the brand of gas is associated with an oil company that you consider to be unethical weasels. You have vowed to boycott their products. On principle, you drive past the gas station, run out of gas, and eventually die in the desert. Question: Were you principled or stupid? The answer is yes. You were both principled and stupid. And in this case, the principle that we are upholding is 100% pride. Alright, Jan Brady, what "big time" team is it that we are getting a home-and-home with that isn't Oregon that's going result in a guaranteed sellout every other year to replace the Civil War? And why haven't we been scheduling that team all of these years? Is it George Glass University? There is no replacing Oregon with anyone comparable. The lack of travel. The media money. The gate. It just makes too much sense! We're Neville Chamberlain? One of the most powerful countries on Earth? What planet are you on? We're Edvard Beneš or Ignacy Mościcki at best. If we reject continuation of the Civil War, we would be Philippe Pétain, the man who rejected an English-French alliance by Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle. Pétain was attempting to try and ensure that the French kept their pride, their navy, and their colonies. The same a$$hole, who ordered the troops to fight the Americans at Algiers and killed my granduncle. Pride kept France from an alliance that could have saved their country from almost five years of German domination. The French could do it better on their own anyway. They didn't need the British, after all. Pétain spent most of the final months of the war as a prisoner in Germany. When it became obvious to the Germans that France would not be retaken, Pétain was released into Switzerland. 2 1/2 months after V-E Day, he was put on trial for treason and was convicted. He spent most of the rest of his life in prison before being moved to a hospital at the very end. Or, if you want to stay with British Prime Ministers, we would be Stanley Baldwin, the prime minister before Neville Chamberlain, who was so distrustful of France and the United States of America, that he goaded both into signing the Second London Naval Treaty of 1936 to limit the size of the American and French navies, even though Italy and Japan both refused to sign on, like they had at the First London Naval Treaty of 1930. There are very bad actors in this, but they are all in the Midwest and in Southern California. They got longtime rival Oregon to go along but only after UCLA, USC, Colorado, and Washington all flipped on the Pac-12. To self-flagellate, while your enemies grow stronger is stupid and counterproductive. We don't improve by not playing Oregon. The hole that we are currently in just gets bigger. The damage that has been done to Oregon State does not improve by travelling further to play lesser opponents for less money. The damage that has been done is rectified by beating Oregon year after year after year.
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 9, 2023 0:43:43 GMT -8
I would say in this case it's more about the principle of it all. There are plenty of "big time" programs OSU can schedule if it so chooses. So money really isn't the issue, even if someone did offer a few million to keep it going. Diplomacy? OSU would be Neville Chamberlain. No tantrums. Just moving on to a new era. Suppose you’re driving across a long stretch of desert and notice that your gas tank is nearly empty. A sign says, “Last gas for 100 miles.” Unfortunately, the brand of gas is associated with an oil company that you consider to be unethical weasels. You have vowed to boycott their products. On principle, you drive past the gas station, run out of gas, and eventually die in the desert. Question: Were you principled or stupid? The answer is yes. You were both principled and stupid. And in this case, the principle that we are upholding is 100% pride. Alright, Jan Brady, what "big time" team is it that we are getting a home-and-home with that isn't Oregon that's going result in a guaranteed sellout every other year to replace the Civil War? And why haven't we been scheduling that team all of these years? Is it George Glass University? There is no replacing Oregon with anyone comparable. The lack of travel. The media money. The gate. It just makes too much sense! We're Neville Chamberlain? One of the most powerful countries on Earth? What planet are you on? We're Edvard Beneš or Ignacy Mościcki at best. If we reject continuation of the Civil War, we would be Philippe Pétain, the man who rejected an English-French alliance by Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle. Pétain was attempting to try and ensure that the French kept their pride, their navy, and their colonies. The same a$$hole, who ordered the troops to fight the Americans at Algiers and killed my granduncle. Pride kept France from an alliance that could have saved their country from almost five years of German domination. The French could do it better on their own anyway. They didn't need the British, after all. Pétain spent most of the final months of the war as a prisoner in Germany. When it became obvious to the Germans that France would not be retaken, Pétain was released into Switzerland. 2 1/2 months after V-E Day, he was put on trial for treason and was convicted. He spent most of the rest of his life in prison before being moved to a hospital at the very end. Or, if you want to stay with British Prime Ministers, we would be Stanley Baldwin, the prime minister before Neville Chamberlain, who was so distrustful of France and the United States of America, that he goaded both into signing the Second London Naval Treaty of 1936 to limit the size of the American and French navies, even though Italy and Japan both refused to sign on, like they had at the First London Naval Treaty of 1930. There are very bad actors in this, but they are all in the Midwest and in Southern California. They got longtime rival Oregon to go along but only after UCLA, USC, Colorado, and Washington all flipped on the Pac-12. To self-flagellate, while your enemies grow stronger is stupid and counterproductive. We don't improve by not playing Oregon. The hole that we are currently in just gets bigger. The damage that has been done to Oregon State does not improve by travelling further to play lesser opponents for less money. The damage that has been done is rectified by beating Oregon year after year after year. great analogies. But even after all that…done with the CW.
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Sept 9, 2023 8:53:22 GMT -8
I get the emotion on hating the Ducks even more, but agree with Willy that we would be crazy not to keep scheduling the Ducks in the Civil War each year.
So let’s say we are a couple years down the road. We’ve (hopefully) done a reverse merger with the MWC and are doing well in FB. Hopefully undefeated… We want to make it into the playoffs. What could hold us back? Strength of Schedule is a big one… We have to play some of the better Power 5 (4?) schools every year - not only to test our team, but to have some quality victories. If not the Ducks - who…? What other P5/4 teams will do Home and Home competitions with us every year…?
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Post by beavheart on Sept 9, 2023 9:07:17 GMT -8
Hole doesn't just want to continue with the CW. They NEED the CW to ease the fools errand they just embarked on by joining a conference that is almost entirely several thousand miles away.
Why on earth would OSU help them in that regard???
The $ucks have already monetarily damaged OSU, and the Oregon economy with this move. And Beav fans want to look past all of that and keep the games going because we make a little money? Come on people, pull your heads out. This is about a lot more than just a few bucks or sour grapes. Continuing the rivalry actually hurts OSU because we would be propping up this ridiculous overreach by all the parties involved.
I hope we don't just not play them in football. I would cancel ALL competitions with Hole up until such time as they rejoin a western based conference with OSU in it. Until that day, don't bother even calling us you traitors.
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Sept 9, 2023 9:11:38 GMT -8
I get that he emotion on hating the Ducks even more, but agree with Willy that we would be crazy not to keep scheduling the Ducks in the Civil War each year. So let’s say we are a couple years down the road. We’ve (hopefully) done a reverse merger with the MWC and are doing well in FB. Hopefully undefeated… We want to make it into the playoffs. What could hold us back? Strength of Schedule is a big one… We have to play some of the better Power 5 (4?) schools every year - not only to test our team, but to have some quality victories. If not the Ducks - who…? What other P5/4 teams will do Home and Home competitions with us every year…? My feeling is simple - u of 0 can put up or shut up. If they want to continue the CW, they need to find a way to play in Corvallis next year to continue the tradition. The Beavs will have many open dates to choose from. If they do not find a way, then it is u of 0 that has cancelled the CW tradition, and not OSU. Where there is a will, there is a way. So put up or shut up. Go Beavs!
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Post by ag87 on Sept 9, 2023 10:06:47 GMT -8
Hole doesn't just want to continue with the CW. They NEED the CW to ease the fools errand they just embarked on by joining a conference that is almost entirely several thousand miles away. Why on earth would OSU help them in that regard??? The $ucks have already monetarily damaged OSU, and the Oregon economy with this move. And Beav fans want to look past all of that and keep the games going because we make a little money? Come on people, pull your heads out. This is about a lot more than just a few bucks or sour grapes. Continuing the rivalry actually hurts OSU because we would be propping up this ridiculous overreach by all the parties involved. I hope we don't just not play them in football. I would cancel ALL competitions with Hole up until such time as they rejoin a western based conference with OSU in it. Until that day, don't bother even calling us you traitors. They are the "Fighting BernieMadoffs"
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 9, 2023 10:15:21 GMT -8
Hole doesn't just want to continue with the CW. They NEED the CW to ease the fools errand they just embarked on by joining a conference that is almost entirely several thousand miles away. Why on earth would OSU help them in that regard??? The $ucks have already monetarily damaged OSU, and the Oregon economy with this move. And Beav fans want to look past all of that and keep the games going because we make a little money? Come on people, pull your heads out. This is about a lot more than just a few bucks or sour grapes. Continuing the rivalry actually hurts OSU because we would be propping up this ridiculous overreach by all the parties involved. I hope we don't just not play them in football. I would cancel ALL competitions with Hole up until such time as they rejoin a western based conference with OSU in it. Until that day, don't bother even calling us you traitors. Tuvalu is going to take down the system by boycotting trade with Fiji. Where else is Fiji going to get there copra? Brilliant!!!!!! Dude, if we're Notre Dame, yeah. Try and burn the system down. Until then, we just are not a big enough to do anything other than hurt ourselves. Unilateral sanctions hurt the smaller sanctionor more than the larger sanctionee. What you are saying is zero sum nonsense. That's just not how it works. If Oregon State won't play Oregon, someone else will, and they will make that money and laugh and laugh and laugh at our childish self-importance. What has happened has happened. You either get over it and build or allow it consume and destroy you. Go ahead and choose the latter, if you would like. I will choose the former. Take the shot. Repair, rebuild, and grow. Six years from now, things will hopefully have shifted to our advantage. Everything else is self-defeating.
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 9, 2023 11:46:52 GMT -8
Hole doesn't just want to continue with the CW. They NEED the CW to ease the fools errand they just embarked on by joining a conference that is almost entirely several thousand miles away. Why on earth would OSU help them in that regard??? The $ucks have already monetarily damaged OSU, and the Oregon economy with this move. And Beav fans want to look past all of that and keep the games going because we make a little money? Come on people, pull your heads out. This is about a lot more than just a few bucks or sour grapes. Continuing the rivalry actually hurts OSU because we would be propping up this ridiculous overreach by all the parties involved. I hope we don't just not play them in football. I would cancel ALL competitions with Hole up until such time as they rejoin a western based conference with OSU in it. Until that day, don't bother even calling us you traitors. Tuvalu is going to take down the system by boycotting trade with Fiji. Where else is Fiji going to get there copra? Brilliant!!!!!! Dude, if we're Notre Dame, yeah. Try and burn the system down. Until then, we just are not a big enough to do anything other than hurt ourselves. Unilateral sanctions hurt the smaller sanctionor more than the larger sanctionee. What you are saying is zero sum nonsense. That's just not how it works. If Oregon State won't play Oregon, someone else will, and they will make that money and laugh and laugh and laugh at our childish self-importance. What has happened has happened. You either get over it and build or allow it consume and destroy you. Go ahead and choose the latter, if you would like. I will choose the former. Take the shot. Repair, rebuild, and grow. Six years from now, things will hopefully have shifted to our advantage. Everything else is self-defeating. Oklahoma State has been just fine not playing the Sooners anymore since the Cowboys told Oklahoma to f*ck off.
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Post by beavheart on Sept 9, 2023 12:09:01 GMT -8
Hole doesn't just want to continue with the CW. They NEED the CW to ease the fools errand they just embarked on by joining a conference that is almost entirely several thousand miles away. Why on earth would OSU help them in that regard??? The $ucks have already monetarily damaged OSU, and the Oregon economy with this move. And Beav fans want to look past all of that and keep the games going because we make a little money? Come on people, pull your heads out. This is about a lot more than just a few bucks or sour grapes. Continuing the rivalry actually hurts OSU because we would be propping up this ridiculous overreach by all the parties involved. I hope we don't just not play them in football. I would cancel ALL competitions with Hole up until such time as they rejoin a western based conference with OSU in it. Until that day, don't bother even calling us you traitors. Tuvalu is going to take down the system by boycotting trade with Fiji. Where else is Fiji going to get there copra? Brilliant!!!!!! Dude, if we're Notre Dame, yeah. Try and burn the system down. Until then, we just are not a big enough to do anything other than hurt ourselves. Unilateral sanctions hurt the smaller sanctionor more than the larger sanctionee. What you are saying is zero sum nonsense. That's just not how it works. If Oregon State won't play Oregon, someone else will, and they will make that money and laugh and laugh and laugh at our childish self-importance. What has happened has happened. You either get over it and build or allow it consume and destroy you. Go ahead and choose the latter, if you would like. I will choose the former. Take the shot. Repair, rebuild, and grow. Six years from now, things will hopefully have shifted to our advantage. Everything else is self-defeating. speaking of nonsense... What did you just say? Tuvalu? This isn't international trade agreements, and I don't see the relevance. For starters, OSU has ample opportunities for other trade partners where Tuvalu doesn't so much. You're welcome to disagree with me. We have options too. Completely not a zero sum game when you consider everything beyond just the CW football game. Bottom line, continuing the CW just supports and aids the success of this new realignment. Which, I don't. At all. I doubt you are going to change my mind on that. Doing anything to support it grinds my gears, but yes U of Hoe is different to me personally as an Oregonian since my tax dollars, and yours, have gone to help finance that school. We can suspend the CW,and continue to build as you say. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive whatsoever.
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Post by castorcanadensis on Sept 9, 2023 12:16:22 GMT -8
I’d rather go to LSU again or say Florida State and pick up $1M payday if we need it. I’m tired of hole and and their I bought this hole t-shirt and boxer set on clearance at Walmart “fans”.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 9, 2023 12:21:57 GMT -8
I’d rather go to LSU again or say Florida State and pick up $1M payday if we need it. I’m tired of hole and and their I bought this hole t-shirt and boxer set on clearance at Walmart “fans”. The key is Oregon will be a NC game. No reason to play away, in state unless it's a huge payday. Play two at home, big payday away. If Oregon wants to come to Reser for typical NC payout great.
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Sept 9, 2023 12:44:11 GMT -8
I’d rather go to LSU again or say Florida State and pick up $1M payday if we need it. I’m tired of hole and and there I bought this hole t-shirt and boxer set on clearance at Walmart “fans”. The key is Oregon will be a NC game. No reason to play away, in state unless it's a huge payday. Play two at home, big payday away. If Oregon wants to come to Reser for typical NC payout great. Don’t think this would have to be a typical non-conf payout deal. Get a long-term, ideally sponsored, contract for alternating home-and-home series. Each school gets the revenue and controls the media deal when in their home stadium. Home series would start in Corvallis in 2024. The yapping from them about wanting to continue the CW is just yapping if they will not come to Corvallis in 2024. Call them on it - put up or shut up! Go Beavs!
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 9, 2023 12:49:33 GMT -8
The key is Oregon will be a NC game. No reason to play away, in state unless it's a huge payday. Play two at home, big payday away. If Oregon wants to come to Reser for typical NC payout great. Don’t think this would have to be a typical non-conf payout deal. Get a long-term, ideally sponsored, contract for alternating home-and-home series. Each school gets the revenue and controls the media deal when in their home stadium. Home series would start in Corvallis in 2024. The yapping from them about wanting to continue the CW is just yapping if they will not come to Corvallis in 2024. Call them on it - put up or shut up! Go Beavs! Very well said. They are the ones who left to the B1G that impacted this rivalry. OSU has done nothing different yet in any of this. Hole has.
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Post by seastape on Sept 9, 2023 12:56:17 GMT -8
Hole doesn't just want to continue with the CW. They NEED the CW to ease the fools errand they just embarked on by joining a conference that is almost entirely several thousand miles away. Why on earth would OSU help them in that regard??? The $ucks have already monetarily damaged OSU, and the Oregon economy with this move. And Beav fans want to look past all of that and keep the games going because we make a little money? Come on people, pull your heads out. This is about a lot more than just a few bucks or sour grapes. Continuing the rivalry actually hurts OSU because we would be propping up this ridiculous overreach by all the parties involved. I hope we don't just not play them in football. I would cancel ALL competitions with Hole up until such time as they rejoin a western based conference with OSU in it. Until that day, don't bother even calling us you traitors. I get what you are saying and I am still deciding whether I would like to play the Traitorous Ten in the future. My instinct is no, but I would hate to harm OSU in our bitterness. The former Pac schools have at least 12 schools in the West (the MWC, in particular) available for out-of-conference games that will be probably be cheaper than OSU and WSU and will allow them to play at home more often than OSU and WSU likely would. With that understood, OSU might be best served to play the former Pac schools. On the other hand...I wouldn't mind sticking it to the four that made it to the big 10 in particular. More so than the others, that put the Pac in the grave. suc and ucla in initiating the process and uw and uo finishing it off. I'll throw colorado in with them because they also caused further erosion. Then I gotta add stanford and cal, who took a seriously crap deal to get away from us and WSU, when we four could have stuck together and built something. But I don't think I would mind playing the other three schools. Colorado connected the state of Utah to the Big 12 and then the other three joined after uw and uo jumped shipped at the end. All three, ASU, UA, and UU, expressed their desire to stay in the Pac throughout the last 15 months or so. Their states also touch states that are already in the Big 12. Those three schools actually make territorial sense in the Big 12, although I would think of the Arizona schools as more western than midwestern. So I can't blame them for bolting after the ship hit the iceberg. Not so the four Cal schools and uo and uw. I'll have bitterness for them for a long time. If it does not harm us too much, I would like to avoid playing them.
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Sept 9, 2023 13:19:20 GMT -8
Oklahoma State has been just fine not playing the Sooners anymore since the Cowboys told Oklahoma to f*ck off. ] But that is a different deal, because they remain in a Power Conference.
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