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Post by korculabeav on Sept 9, 2023 11:04:56 GMT -8
If Larry was such a great negotiator, why did he fail to get Texas and other Big12 schools into the Pac, have an overinflated lease for Pac HQ and crap bowl arrangements? Larry was a lousy negotiator. Texas A&M didn't come, because they had a pre-invite into the SEC, and they did everything that they could to thwart the Pac-16. ESPN then dumped a huge amount of money on Texas to get them to stay. Then, after Texas had all that money, they requested a keep what you kill model to reward teams that make more money. And the Pac-12 turned them down. Larry Scott got Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas to the bargaining table twice, though. Crap bowl arrangements? What bowls should the Pac-12 received invites to that they did not? if Larry was such a great negotiator, he would have overcome those aspects. Larry did nothing him his tenure that convinced us otherwise. |
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Post by obf on Sept 11, 2023 9:41:34 GMT -8
Sounds like the basis for a wide ranging class action lawsuit that every OSU and WSU fan could sign up for  I HAVE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA!!!  OSU and WSU fans have no ownership rights to any of these assets. What kind of lawsuit can fans file here? You can sue anyone for just about anything... In this case we were talking about the emotional and physical stress and distress all of this conference shicanery has taken on OSU and WSU fans. If Subway can be sued for slightly less that 12 inch "foot longs", Red Bull can be sued for not actually "giving you wings", and the NY Subway system for a "Scary Poster", I think we can sue the Pac-12 and the fleeing schools for being douche bags, traumatizing us DEEPLY, and ruining 100 years of history and tradition Or I was just making a joke Funny Lawsuits |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2023 12:53:10 GMT -8
Texas A&M didn't come, because they had a pre-invite into the SEC, and they did everything that they could to thwart the Pac-16. ESPN then dumped a huge amount of money on Texas to get them to stay. Then, after Texas had all that money, they requested a keep what you kill model to reward teams that make more money. And the Pac-12 turned them down. Larry Scott got Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas to the bargaining table twice, though. Crap bowl arrangements? What bowls should the Pac-12 received invites to that they did not? if Larry was such a great negotiator, he would have overcome those aspects. Larry did nothing him his tenure that convinced us otherwise. The Pac-12 deal was revolutionary and probably led to the destruction of the Big East, actions taken by the ACC, and subsequent actions taken by the Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC. You can go back and read about it. Revolutionary. Getting 4+ Big 12 teams to the bargaining table twice. Revolutionary. The conference was still one of the most powerful until 2014. But the seeds to destruction were already brewing. Larry tried to think too outside of the box with the Pac-12 Network, which ultimately led to it being about 25-30% less profitable then projections. The Big 12 realized the blunder, though, and fixed it. The SEC started its own network, based on the success of the Big Ten and Pac-12 Networks, but did it with the major networks, and made an extra $100 million/year net. The ACC screwed up and had to extend its contract, in order to get their own ACC Network in place, once again utilizing the Big 12 and SEC models and partnering with the major networks. Really, though, what killed the conference was the previous six seasons (with the last three being even worse than the previous three). The Pac-12 was just awful from 2017-2022 in football and the awful handling of COVID-19, worst of the Power Five conferences compounded the problem. Its cyclical, but it is a terrible cycle to be in, while you are trying to negotiate a new media deal. And I do not know what Larry Scott could have done better with a terrible product. But he was always positive about the conference and had great ties with several schools, like the Southern California schools and Arizona State. Nevertheless, Oregon's Schill fired Scott after the 2020 season, and then Schill spearheaded the hiring of George K. George K. came in and immediately badmouthed the conference without laying out solutions and got tricked into the ACC-Big Ten alliance. After less than a year without Scott, and with George K. instead, UCLA and USC had already negotiated and received and accepted an invite to the Big Ten. And that was apparently all done without George K. figuring out what was happening until the day of, which is just ridiculous. |
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 11, 2023 15:17:53 GMT -8
if Larry was such a great negotiator, he would have overcome those aspects. Larry did nothing him his tenure that convinced us otherwise. The Pac-12 deal was revolutionary and probably led to the destruction of the Big East, actions taken by the ACC, and subsequent actions taken by the Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC. You can go back and read about it. Revolutionary. Getting 4+ Big 12 teams to the bargaining table twice. Revolutionary. The conference was still one of the most powerful until 2014. But the seeds to destruction were already brewing. Larry tried to think too outside of the box with the Pac-12 Network, which ultimately led to it being about 25-30% less profitable then projections. The Big 12 realized the blunder, though, and fixed it. The SEC started its own network, based on the success of the Big Ten and Pac-12 Networks, but did it with the major networks, and made an extra $100 million/year net. The ACC screwed up and had to extend its contract, in order to get their own ACC Network in place, once again utilizing the Big 12 and SEC models and partnering with the major networks. Really, though, what killed the conference was the previous six seasons (with the last three being even worse than the previous three). The Pac-12 was just awful from 2017-2022 in football and the awful handling of COVID-19, worst of the Power Five conferences compounded the problem. Its cyclical, but it is a terrible cycle to be in, while you are trying to negotiate a new media deal. And I do not know what Larry Scott could have done better with a terrible product. But he was always positive about the conference and had great ties with several schools, like the Southern California schools and Arizona State. Nevertheless, Oregon's Schill fired Scott after the 2020 season, and then Schill spearheaded the hiring of George K. George K. came in and immediately badmouthed the conference without laying out solutions and got tricked into the ACC-Big Ten alliance. After less than a year without Scott, and with George K. instead, UCLA and USC had already negotiated and received and accepted an invite to the Big Ten. And that was apparently all done without George K. figuring out what was happening until the day of, which is just ridiculous. FWIW, I'm going to go with "don't light money on fire with opulent headquarters" first, but if you give me a while I'll come up with more. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2023 15:20:45 GMT -8
The Pac-12 deal was revolutionary and probably led to the destruction of the Big East, actions taken by the ACC, and subsequent actions taken by the Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC. You can go back and read about it. Revolutionary. Getting 4+ Big 12 teams to the bargaining table twice. Revolutionary. The conference was still one of the most powerful until 2014. But the seeds to destruction were already brewing. Larry tried to think too outside of the box with the Pac-12 Network, which ultimately led to it being about 25-30% less profitable then projections. The Big 12 realized the blunder, though, and fixed it. The SEC started its own network, based on the success of the Big Ten and Pac-12 Networks, but did it with the major networks, and made an extra $100 million/year net. The ACC screwed up and had to extend its contract, in order to get their own ACC Network in place, once again utilizing the Big 12 and SEC models and partnering with the major networks. Really, though, what killed the conference was the previous six seasons (with the last three being even worse than the previous three). The Pac-12 was just awful from 2017-2022 in football and the awful handling of COVID-19, worst of the Power Five conferences compounded the problem. Its cyclical, but it is a terrible cycle to be in, while you are trying to negotiate a new media deal. And I do not know what Larry Scott could have done better with a terrible product. But he was always positive about the conference and had great ties with several schools, like the Southern California schools and Arizona State. Nevertheless, Oregon's Schill fired Scott after the 2020 season, and then Schill spearheaded the hiring of George K. George K. came in and immediately badmouthed the conference without laying out solutions and got tricked into the ACC-Big Ten alliance. After less than a year without Scott, and with George K. instead, UCLA and USC had already negotiated and received and accepted an invite to the Big Ten. And that was apparently all done without George K. figuring out what was happening until the day of, which is just ridiculous. FWIW, I'm going to go with "don't light money on fire with opulent headquarters" first, but if you give me a while I'll come up with more. Oh yeah, he did that, which is a great knock. But he negotiated that with the Pac-12 Presidents. |
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