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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Sept 7, 2023 19:22:13 GMT -8
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 7, 2023 19:55:15 GMT -8
No reason to expect anything different from them.
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 7, 2023 20:35:42 GMT -8
Wow, interesting, and potentially troubling.
Several potential reasons exist for this, here are two:
1) Given commissioner George Kliavkoff's struggles at getting a media contract in place, it may be that the PAC-12 office isn't capable of getting much of anything done in a reasonable amount of time.
2) Deliberate stall tactic. Per the Colorado St athletic director, the MWC is willing to give OSU & WSU a one year 'scheduling agreement'. MWC fans on a couple of MWC message boards I snoop have speculated that the only way the MWC would do this is to include a "PAC-2 does not poach MWC conference members" clause.
It sure seems like the MWC isn't going to leave this offer on the table indefinitely. If the Beavers and Cougars don't take it soon, then the MWC is sure to think the PAC-2 wants to poach some of their members and withdraw the offer.
This "so called" delay of info from the PAC-12 office is just a tactic for the Beavers and Cougars to delay accepting the 'scheduling agreement' while the PAC-2 works on attracting other schools for a rebuild.
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 7, 2023 20:45:25 GMT -8
Oh... here's what really troubled me in the linked article:
>> The bylaws indicate that any school providing a “notice of departure” relinquishes its voting rights. That seems simple enough, except the 10 outbound members have not provided the Pac-12 with formal departure notices, according to a source.
If the 10 traitors still have their voting rights, could they vote to dissolve the PAC-12? If they could dissolve the conference, does that mean the remaining money must be split 12 ways, and not 2 ways?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2023 20:57:34 GMT -8
Oh... here's what really troubled me in the linked article: >> The bylaws indicate that any school providing a “notice of departure” relinquishes its voting rights. That seems simple enough, except the 10 outbound members have not provided the Pac-12 with formal departure notices, according to a source. If the 10 traitors still have their voting rights, could they vote to dissolve the PAC-12? If they could dissolve the conference, does that mean the remaining money must be split 12 ways, and not 2 ways? To get to a vote, they would probably have to sue claiming they never gave notice, when their public actions say otherwise, and win. Hopefully it'll never get to that. It'd be ugly. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 7, 2023 21:38:25 GMT -8
Do OSU and WSU really want to rebuild the conference with Kliavkoff and the rest of the morons in the SF office involved after reading about the incompetence that oozes out in that article. Where the hell is George anyway? Interesting how he is hiding in a closet somewhere after his grand media plan blew up on him and imploded the conference in one day.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2023 22:02:59 GMT -8
Do OSU and WSU really want to rebuild the conference with Kliavkoff and the rest of the morons in the SF office involved after reading about the incompetence that oozes out in that article. Where the hell is George anyway? Interesting how he is hiding in a closet somewhere after his grand media plan blew up on him and imploded the conference in one day. We still have a 12 team conference this year. It needs to have the conference administration in place. Assuming a reverse merger occurs, I'd expect a bunch of big changes come June, maybe even spring. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 8, 2023 3:50:51 GMT -8
Wow, interesting, and potentially troubling. Several potential reasons exist for this, here are two: 1) Given commissioner George Kliavkoff's struggles at getting a media contract in place, it may be that the PAC-12 office isn't capable of getting much of anything done in a reasonable amount of time. 2) Deliberate stall tactic. Per the Colorado St athletic director, the MWC is willing to give OSU & WSU a one year 'scheduling agreement'. MWC fans on a couple of MWC message boards I snoop have speculated that the only way the MWC would do this is to include a "PAC-2 does not poach MWC conference members" clause. It sure seems like the MWC isn't going to leave this offer on the table indefinitely. If the Beavers and Cougars don't take it soon, then the MWC is sure to think the PAC-2 wants to poach some of their members and withdraw the offer. This "so called" delay of info from the PAC-12 office is just a tactic for the Beavers and Cougars to delay accepting the 'scheduling agreement' while the PAC-2 works on attracting other schools for a rebuild. Other possibilities are he is waiting on pac12 legal counsel to tell him who the actual voting members are. This would explain WSU's threat of legal action. But, never assume malice when incompetence can explain a result is the best starting point. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 8, 2023 5:23:21 GMT -8
Wow, interesting, and potentially troubling. Several potential reasons exist for this, here are two: 1) Given commissioner George Kliavkoff's struggles at getting a media contract in place, it may be that the PAC-12 office isn't capable of getting much of anything done in a reasonable amount of time. 2) Deliberate stall tactic. Per the Colorado St athletic director, the MWC is willing to give OSU & WSU a one year 'scheduling agreement'. MWC fans on a couple of MWC message boards I snoop have speculated that the only way the MWC would do this is to include a "PAC-2 does not poach MWC conference members" clause. It sure seems like the MWC isn't going to leave this offer on the table indefinitely. If the Beavers and Cougars don't take it soon, then the MWC is sure to think the PAC-2 wants to poach some of their members and withdraw the offer. This "so called" delay of info from the PAC-12 office is just a tactic for the Beavers and Cougars to delay accepting the 'scheduling agreement' while the PAC-2 works on attracting other schools for a rebuild. Other possibilities are he is waiting on pac12 legal counsel to tell him who the actual voting members are. This would explain WSU's threat of legal action. But, never assume malice when incompetence can explain a result is the best starting point. Hanlon's razor definitely applies to the P12 admin. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 8, 2023 5:28:28 GMT -8
Oh... here's what really troubled me in the linked article: >> The bylaws indicate that any school providing a “notice of departure” relinquishes its voting rights. That seems simple enough, except the 10 outbound members have not provided the Pac-12 with formal departure notices, according to a source. If the 10 traitors still have their voting rights, could they vote to dissolve the PAC-12? If they could dissolve the conference, does that mean the remaining money must be split 12 ways, and not 2 ways? To get to a vote, they would probably have to sue claiming they never gave notice, when their public actions say otherwise, and win. Hopefully it'll never get to that. It'd be ugly. How could anyone argue that those schools should still have a vote? The conflict on interests are nearly endless. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 8, 2023 5:45:07 GMT -8
Other possibilities are he is waiting on pac12 legal counsel to tell him who the actual voting members are. This would explain WSU's threat of legal action. But, never assume malice when incompetence can explain a result is the best starting point. Hanlon's razor definitely applies to the P12 admin. Attributing this to stupidity is appropriate. Pac 12 is a case study in incompetence. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 8, 2023 5:47:25 GMT -8
Oh... here's what really troubled me in the linked article: >> The bylaws indicate that any school providing a “notice of departure” relinquishes its voting rights. That seems simple enough, except the 10 outbound members have not provided the Pac-12 with formal departure notices, according to a source. If the 10 traitors still have their voting rights, could they vote to dissolve the PAC-12? If they could dissolve the conference, does that mean the remaining money must be split 12 ways, and not 2 ways? To get to a vote, they would probably have to sue claiming they never gave notice, when their public actions say otherwise, and win. Hopefully it'll never get to that. It'd be ugly. Public actions say otherwise? Not sure about that,,,,Like if you separated from your wife 6 months before a divorce are you divorced only when it is all officially legal.
And if it got into to a court battle within the pac look for funds to be frozen by the court for awhile. Don't want that either, Frozen assets,,,,,
And if they get the numbers wrong one way or another then look for lawsuits. Lawsuits and freezing assets to sort things out are not in the pac-2's best interests. Just saying,
(Btw, original post title mentions dillydicking which has a different meaning that dilly dicking, fun fact of the day.)
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 8, 2023 6:47:32 GMT -8
To get to a vote, they would probably have to sue claiming they never gave notice, when their public actions say otherwise, and win. Hopefully it'll never get to that. It'd be ugly. Public actions say otherwise? Not sure about that,,,,Like if you separated from your wife 6 months before a divorce are you divorced only when it is all officially legal.
And if it got into to a court battle within the pac look for funds to be frozen by the court for awhile. Don't want that either, Frozen assets,,,,,
And if they get the numbers wrong one way or another then look for lawsuits. Lawsuits and freezing assets to sort things out are not in the pac-2's best interests. Just saying,
(Btw, original post title mentions dillydicking which has a different meaning that dilly dicking, fun fact of the day.)
These 10 teams didn’t just separate from the PAC 12, they basically have already remarried. Supposedly they have all signed GOR agreements with their new conferences. That’s a pretty public and official action. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 8, 2023 6:52:44 GMT -8
A concern I have usc and ucla separated a year plus ago have they been allowed a vote since their separation? If yes why would the other 8 be treated differently?
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 8, 2023 6:59:30 GMT -8
To get to a vote, they would probably have to sue claiming they never gave notice, when their public actions say otherwise, and win. Hopefully it'll never get to that. It'd be ugly. How could anyone argue that those schools should still have a vote? The conflict on interests are nearly endless. Perhaps, but he will probably seek legal counsel outside of bennyshouse.com, his lawyer is also very unlikely to be a graduate of the OSU or WSU law school. |
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