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"I think real leaders show up when times are hard." Trent Bray 11/29/2023
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Post by ftd on Sept 8, 2023 7:34:05 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 8, 2023 8:24:33 GMT -8
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 8, 2023 8:58:08 GMT -8
Wow, interesting, and potentially troubling. Several potential reasons exist for this, here are two: 1) Given commissioner George Kliavkoff's struggles at getting a media contract in place, it may be that the PAC-12 office isn't capable of getting much of anything done in a reasonable amount of time. 2) Deliberate stall tactic. Per the Colorado St athletic director, the MWC is willing to give OSU & WSU a one year 'scheduling agreement'. MWC fans on a couple of MWC message boards I snoop have speculated that the only way the MWC would do this is to include a "PAC-2 does not poach MWC conference members" clause. It sure seems like the MWC isn't going to leave this offer on the table indefinitely. If the Beavers and Cougars don't take it soon, then the MWC is sure to think the PAC-2 wants to poach some of their members and withdraw the offer. This "so called" delay of info from the PAC-12 office is just a tactic for the Beavers and Cougars to delay accepting the 'scheduling agreement' while the PAC-2 works on attracting other schools for a rebuild. I can come up with even more troublesome and conspiratorial reasons! They seem unlikely, but this is what my brain does, given time... 1) What if the Pac-12 finances are a complete and incriminating mess? What if somebody(s) figured the "war chest" would never be touched and have been skimming? Thus, this somebody(s) does not want to have to reveal the information OSU and WSU are looking for. 1a) Or, there just simply isn't any money, due not to criminal activity but to incompetence. Revealing this is painful (and perhaps lawsuit-causing), thus the delay. 2) What if the powerful school(s) that are leaving do not want OSU and WSU to be able to benefit in any way from the breakup of the conference, perhaps thus making those who left look stupid(er)? Could those powerful school(s) block the attempts by OSU and WSU to get info and make a decision in a timely manner? |
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Post by whocares on Sept 8, 2023 9:06:18 GMT -8
If they haven't "officially" declared they're leaving, then send them their '24-'25 Pac-12 game schedule with sizable "no show" penalties and force them to respond.
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 8, 2023 9:14:16 GMT -8
Here is what I know for sure. ALL of this, from the breakup more than a month ago to delays on getting important information is mind numbing, stressful and physically, mentally, and emotionally tiring to the nth degree. In all seriousness if you are tired of all of this I can't imagine how all this stress is affecting Barnes especially after his health issue a few months ago.
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 8, 2023 11:50:46 GMT -8
Wow, interesting, and potentially troubling. Several potential reasons exist for this, here are two: 1) Given commissioner George Kliavkoff's struggles at getting a media contract in place, it may be that the PAC-12 office isn't capable of getting much of anything done in a reasonable amount of time. 2) Deliberate stall tactic. Per the Colorado St athletic director, the MWC is willing to give OSU & WSU a one year 'scheduling agreement'. MWC fans on a couple of MWC message boards I snoop have speculated that the only way the MWC would do this is to include a "PAC-2 does not poach MWC conference members" clause. It sure seems like the MWC isn't going to leave this offer on the table indefinitely. If the Beavers and Cougars don't take it soon, then the MWC is sure to think the PAC-2 wants to poach some of their members and withdraw the offer. This "so called" delay of info from the PAC-12 office is just a tactic for the Beavers and Cougars to delay accepting the 'scheduling agreement' while the PAC-2 works on attracting other schools for a rebuild. I can come up with even more troublesome and conspiratorial reasons! They seem unlikely, but this is what my brain does, given time... 1) What if the Pac-12 finances are a complete and incriminating mess? What if somebody(s) figured the "war chest" would never be touched and have been skimming? Thus, this somebody(s) does not want to have to reveal the information OSU and WSU are looking for. 1a) Or, there just simply isn't any money, due not to criminal activity but to incompetence. Revealing this is painful (and perhaps lawsuit-causing), thus the delay. 2) What if the powerful school(s) that are leaving do not want OSU and WSU to be able to benefit in any way from the breakup of the conference, perhaps thus making those who left look stupid(er)? Could those powerful school(s) block the attempts by OSU and WSU to get info and make a decision in a timely manner? If the books are that screwed up the CPA firm that audited the Financials better have deep pockets or real good liability insurance. |
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Post by obf on Sept 8, 2023 12:31:09 GMT -8
Here is what I know for sure. ALL of this, from the breakup more than a month ago to delays on getting important information is mind numbing, stressful and physically, mentally, and emotionally tiring to the nth degree. In all seriousness if you are tired of all of this I can't imagine how all this stress is affecting Barnes especially after his health issue a few months ago. Sounds like the basis for a wide ranging class action lawsuit that every OSU and WSU fan could sign up for  I HAVE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA!!!  |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 8, 2023 12:58:38 GMT -8
A concern I have usc and ucla separated a year plus ago have they been allowed a vote since their separation? If yes why would the other 8 be treated differently? Here's text from the actual complaint: "25. In accordance with the Pac-12’s Bylaws, following USC’s and UCLA’s 2022 notice of withdrawal, their representatives were removed from the Pac-12 Board and were no longer permitted to vote on Board matters. C. Eight other members of the Pac-12 announce their departures. 26. On July 27, 2023, the University of Colorado, Boulder delivered notice of withdrawal from the Pac-12 Conference, effective in 2024, to join the Big 12 Conference. Colorado is projected to earn approximately $37 million in annual television revenue as a member of the Big 12. 27. Following Colorado’s notice of withdrawal, the Pac-12 Board of Directors held five special meetings between August 1, 2023 and August 4, 2023. Colorado was not invited to any of those five special meetings of the Board of Directors." Sounds like USC, UCLA and Colorado were all kept from voting. |
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Post by obf on Sept 8, 2023 13:08:53 GMT -8
With how academically snobbish the Pac-12 has always been, I am surprised they hired a CFO with only a bachelors degree in Accounting and who still lists her HIGH SCHOOL on her linked in profile Her Linked In Profile |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 16:10:25 GMT -8
With how academically snobbish the Pac-12 has always been, I am surprised they hired a CFO with only a bachelors degree in Accounting and who still lists her HIGH SCHOOL on her linked in profile Her Linked In ProfileI think that the last guy only had a bachelors, as well. Of course, he did not list his high school. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 8, 2023 18:59:51 GMT -8
Wow, interesting, and potentially troubling. Several potential reasons exist for this, here are two: 1) Given commissioner George Kliavkoff's struggles at getting a media contract in place, it may be that the PAC-12 office isn't capable of getting much of anything done in a reasonable amount of time. 2) Deliberate stall tactic. Per the Colorado St athletic director, the MWC is willing to give OSU & WSU a one year 'scheduling agreement'. MWC fans on a couple of MWC message boards I snoop have speculated that the only way the MWC would do this is to include a "PAC-2 does not poach MWC conference members" clause. It sure seems like the MWC isn't going to leave this offer on the table indefinitely. If the Beavers and Cougars don't take it soon, then the MWC is sure to think the PAC-2 wants to poach some of their members and withdraw the offer. This "so called" delay of info from the PAC-12 office is just a tactic for the Beavers and Cougars to delay accepting the 'scheduling agreement' while the PAC-2 works on attracting other schools for a rebuild. I can come up with even more troublesome and conspiratorial reasons! They seem unlikely, but this is what my brain does, given time... 1) What if the Pac-12 finances are a complete and incriminating mess? What if somebody(s) figured the "war chest" would never be touched and have been skimming? Thus, this somebody(s) does not want to have to reveal the information OSU and WSU are looking for. 1a) Or, there just simply isn't any money, due not to criminal activity but to incompetence. Revealing this is painful (and perhaps lawsuit-causing), thus the delay. 2) What if the powerful school(s) that are leaving do not want OSU and WSU to be able to benefit in any way from the breakup of the conference, perhaps thus making those who left look stupid(er)? Could those powerful school(s) block the attempts by OSU and WSU to get info and make a decision in a timely manner? My brain goes to Larry Scott messing things up worse than what we know. It is just not fully public yet. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 22:51:53 GMT -8
I can come up with even more troublesome and conspiratorial reasons! They seem unlikely, but this is what my brain does, given time... 1) What if the Pac-12 finances are a complete and incriminating mess? What if somebody(s) figured the "war chest" would never be touched and have been skimming? Thus, this somebody(s) does not want to have to reveal the information OSU and WSU are looking for. 1a) Or, there just simply isn't any money, due not to criminal activity but to incompetence. Revealing this is painful (and perhaps lawsuit-causing), thus the delay. 2) What if the powerful school(s) that are leaving do not want OSU and WSU to be able to benefit in any way from the breakup of the conference, perhaps thus making those who left look stupid(er)? Could those powerful school(s) block the attempts by OSU and WSU to get info and make a decision in a timely manner? My brain goes to Larry Scott messing things up worse than what we know. It is just not fully public yet. Most articles I read say that Larry Scott did not leave George K. the best hand, but George K. had no business taking over for Larry Scott. They are in two different leagues. Larry Scott was a good negotiator, who knew how to properly value product, and was great at keeping UCLA and USC in line. George K. was great at..........I still haven't figured out what exactly. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 9, 2023 0:46:56 GMT -8
Here is what I know for sure. ALL of this, from the breakup more than a month ago to delays on getting important information is mind numbing, stressful and physically, mentally, and emotionally tiring to the nth degree. In all seriousness if you are tired of all of this I can't imagine how all this stress is affecting Barnes especially after his health issue a few months ago. Sounds like the basis for a wide ranging class action lawsuit that every OSU and WSU fan could sign up for I HAVE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA!!! OSU and WSU fans have no ownership rights to any of these assets. What kind of lawsuit can fans file here? |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 9, 2023 0:49:09 GMT -8
Sounds like the basis for a wide ranging class action lawsuit that every OSU and WSU fan could sign up for I HAVE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA!!! OSU and WSU fans have no ownership rights to any of these assets. What kind of lawsuit can fans file here? If Larry was such a great negotiator, why did he fail to get Texas and other Big12 schools into the Pac, have an overinflated lease for Pac HQ and crap bowl arrangements? Larry was a lousy negotiator. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 9, 2023 10:43:14 GMT -8
OSU and WSU fans have no ownership rights to any of these assets. What kind of lawsuit can fans file here? If Larry was such a great negotiator, why did he fail to get Texas and other Big12 schools into the Pac, have an overinflated lease for Pac HQ and crap bowl arrangements? Larry was a lousy negotiator. Texas A&M didn't come, because they had a pre-invite into the SEC, and they did everything that they could to thwart the Pac-16. ESPN then dumped a huge amount of money on Texas to get them to stay. Then, after Texas had all that money, they requested a keep what you kill model to reward teams that make more money. And the Pac-12 turned them down. Larry Scott got Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas to the bargaining table twice, though. Crap bowl arrangements? What bowls should the Pac-12 received invites to that they did not? |
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