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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 7, 2023 19:31:47 GMT -8
I destroyed the Pac-12! I destroyed college Football!!! And I can destroy the NFL!!!!! It's all about MMMEEEEEE, Caleb the Magnificent!!!!!!!! Yeah, because we all know Caleb Williams orchestrated USC's withdrawl from the Pac-12. Before he even played a down. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 7, 2023 20:00:43 GMT -8
I destroyed the Pac-12! I destroyed college Football!!! And I can destroy the NFL!!!!! It's all about MMMEEEEEE, Caleb the Magnificent!!!!!!!! Yeah, because we all know Caleb Williams orchestrated USC's withdrawl from the Pac-12. Before he even played a down. Obviously sarcasm, yet hard not to point out that he also played at USC last year. Before their exit. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2023 20:29:24 GMT -8
Yeah, because we all know Caleb Williams orchestrated USC's withdrawl from the Pac-12. Before he even played a down. Obviously sarcasm, yet hard not to point out that he also played at USC last year. Before their exit. Might want to look at the timelines again. USC announced leaving in June of '22. |
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 7, 2023 20:35:46 GMT -8
Obviously sarcasm, yet hard not to point out that he also played at USC last year. Before their exit. Might want to look at the timelines again. USC announced leaving in June of '22. Hey now, let’s not let facts get in the way of bashing the enemy. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 7, 2023 22:15:11 GMT -8
Obviously sarcasm, yet hard not to point out that he also played at USC last year. Before their exit. Might want to look at the timelines again. USC announced leaving in June of '22. Has it been that long?? Ha ha |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 8, 2023 9:10:09 GMT -8
The facts do not bear out this statement. Unless you are a spoiled millennial living in mommy and daddy's basement, the vast majority of workers in the working world have, or have in the past, worked for employers and/or worked jobs that they dislike. This is not opinion, it is fact. Survey after survey of workers in the US have proven it. Why? because it is life, and life is not always fair. We often do what we need to do, not what we would like to do - especially if we have a family. Your entire argument is a non-sequitur. All of those workers you say who worked s%#tty jobs they disliked HAD A CHOICE whether to work for that employer or not. Williams will not. His employer will be chosen for him. Yes, life is not fair. It is also blatantly unfair to prevent any person - be he/she an engineer, accountant, teacher, attorney, whatever - from choosing who he/she wants to work for. John Elway signed with the Yankees and played short-season baseball in Oneonta in the New York-Penn League. He had leverage and used it. Just as Williams does. This is really no different from a large construction or engineering company offering a graduating senior a position at one of its locations. or telling a 2 year employee that they need to transfer him elsewhere. Happens all the time.It's totally different. The graduating senior you refer to is not limited to one construction company, or engineering firm. If he/she doesn't like that firm's offer, he/she can accept another, better offer from a different company. Williams does not have that option. Sorry for the late response - like many of us, I have a life, and am not retired. There is one problem with your whole argument - the NFL has operated this way since the beginning of the league. You or I, or Caleb for that matter, do not have to like it, but if an athlete wants to play in the league, that is the way it is. They are well within their rights to set whatever rules they like to enter said league. As has already been mentioned, if Caleb wants to bitch and complain about said rules, to potentially end up on a lousy team with a lousy owner, either decide to not enter the league, or stay at USC, and hope the situation is better next year.
This reminds me of the Air Traffic Controllers in the '80's. They signed a contract when they were hired, which stated they had no right to go on strike. It was a condition of employment - accept it and the job, or look for work elsewhere. They decided after being hired to ignore the rule they knew going in and paid the price. They all got fired. End of story.
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Post by ftd on Sept 8, 2023 9:15:05 GMT -8
Sounds like the Williams family has been having out with the Elway family
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 8, 2023 10:23:45 GMT -8
Your entire argument is a non-sequitur. All of those workers you say who worked s%#tty jobs they disliked HAD A CHOICE whether to work for that employer or not. Williams will not. His employer will be chosen for him. Yes, life is not fair. It is also blatantly unfair to prevent any person - be he/she an engineer, accountant, teacher, attorney, whatever - from choosing who he/she wants to work for. John Elway signed with the Yankees and played short-season baseball in Oneonta in the New York-Penn League. He had leverage and used it. Just as Williams does. This is really no different from a large construction or engineering company offering a graduating senior a position at one of its locations. or telling a 2 year employee that they need to transfer him elsewhere. Happens all the time.It's totally different. The graduating senior you refer to is not limited to one construction company, or engineering firm. If he/she doesn't like that firm's offer, he/she can accept another, better offer from a different company. Williams does not have that option. Sorry for the late response - like many of us, I have a life, and am not retired. There is one problem with your whole argument - the NFL has operated this way since the beginning of the league. You or I, or Caleb for that matter, do not have to like it, but if an athlete wants to play in the league, that is the way it is. They are well within their rights to set whatever rules they like to enter said league. As has already been mentioned, if Caleb wants to bitch and complain about said rules, to potentially end up on a lousy team with a lousy owner, either decide to not enter the league, or stay at USC, and hope the situation is better next year.
This reminds me of the Air Traffic Controllers in the '80's. They signed a contract when they were hired, which stated they had no right to go on strike. It was a condition of employment - accept it and the job, or look for work elsewhere. They decided after being hired to ignore the rule they knew going in and paid the price. They all got fired. End of story.
True. At one point, all MLB players were subject to the reserve clause, which bound them to one team in perpetuity and prevented them from earning their true worth in a free market. It was changed. As for the ATCs, yes, instead of bargaining in good faith with people whose job is stressful and crucial, a president decided to endanger the entire flying public for years to come by arbitrarily firing them in order to break a union. Not exactly a decision I'd be proud to support. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 8, 2023 10:31:59 GMT -8
First of all, we don't live in a true capitalist society. Government still has constraints, guidelines and penalties in place to prevent wholesale capitalism. We live in a "flavor" of capitalism.
Secondly, the "free market" does not equal the NFL. The free market is all jobs available to an individual. Poor Caleb is not constrained to only joining the NFL, he could also join the UAW if he so chose.
Finally, it's hard to make a martyr out of someone who will be making tens of millions of dollars. Sheesh...
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 8, 2023 10:48:08 GMT -8
Sorry for the late response - like many of us, I have a life, and am not retired. There is one problem with your whole argument - the NFL has operated this way since the beginning of the league. You or I, or Caleb for that matter, do not have to like it, but if an athlete wants to play in the league, that is the way it is. They are well within their rights to set whatever rules they like to enter said league. As has already been mentioned, if Caleb wants to bitch and complain about said rules, to potentially end up on a lousy team with a lousy owner, either decide to not enter the league, or stay at USC, and hope the situation is better next year.
This reminds me of the Air Traffic Controllers in the '80's. They signed a contract when they were hired, which stated they had no right to go on strike. It was a condition of employment - accept it and the job, or look for work elsewhere. They decided after being hired to ignore the rule they knew going in and paid the price. They all got fired. End of story.
True. At one point, all MLB players were subject to the reserve clause, which bound them to one team in perpetuity and prevented them from earning their true worth in a free market. It was changed. As for the ATCs, yes, instead of bargaining in good faith with people whose job is stressful and crucial, a president decided to endanger the entire flying public for years to come by arbitrarily firing them in order to break a union. Not exactly a decision I'd be proud to support. So, you do acknowledge the NFL is within their rights. Good - we can agree on that. I understand your desire to have the NFL change the rules, but at this point, they are what they are. I think you might have been one of the voices on here against the NCAA not allowing players to benefit from NIL contracts. And now what do we have? A mess, which goes well beyond what the original intent of NIL was. Unintended consequences. Regarding the ATC's, please cite how the public was "endangered for years" - did we see an increase in crashes? Never said I was proud of the decision - simply stated that they decided to go against their employer and contract, and paid a price - they thought they were irreplaceable. They found out wrong.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 8, 2023 12:54:41 GMT -8
the NFL has operated this way since the beginning of the league. You or I, or Caleb for that matter, do not have to like it, but if an athlete wants to play in the league, that is the way it is. True. At one point, all MLB players were subject to the reserve clause, which bound them to one team in perpetuity and prevented them from earning their true worth in a free market. It was changed. As for the ATCs, yes, instead of bargaining in good faith with people whose job is stressful and crucial, a president decided to endanger the entire flying public for years to come by arbitrarily firing them in order to break a union. Not exactly a decision I'd be proud to support. So, you do acknowledge the NFL is within their rights. Good - we can agree on that. I understand your desire to have the NFL change the rules, but at this point, they are what they are. I think you might have been one of the voices on here against the NCAA not allowing players to benefit from NIL contracts. And now what do we have? A mess, which goes well beyond what the original intent of NIL was. Unintended consequences. Regarding the ATC's, please cite how the public was "endangered for years" - did we see an increase in crashes? Never said I was proud of the decision - simply stated that they decided to go against their employer and contract, and paid a price - they thought they were irreplaceable. They found out wrong.
The firing of the ATCs had negative economic impacts for years. And you don't have to have an increase in crashes for passengers to be endangered. www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/air-traffic-controller-strikehttps://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/air-traffic-controller-strike |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 8, 2023 19:42:39 GMT -8
So, you do acknowledge the NFL is within their rights. Good - we can agree on that. I understand your desire to have the NFL change the rules, but at this point, they are what they are. I think you might have been one of the voices on here against the NCAA not allowing players to benefit from NIL contracts. And now what do we have? A mess, which goes well beyond what the original intent of NIL was. Unintended consequences. Regarding the ATC's, please cite how the public was "endangered for years" - did we see an increase in crashes? Never said I was proud of the decision - simply stated that they decided to go against their employer and contract, and paid a price - they thought they were irreplaceable. They found out wrong.
The firing of the ATCs had negative economic impacts for years. And you don't have to have an increase in crashes for passengers to be endangered. www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/air-traffic-controller-strikehttps://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/air-traffic-controller-strikeIt was a terrible time. I remember my folks sitting around the dinner table. I don’t recall any talk about 20% interest rates, high unemployment or the new cold war. I remember how terrified they were to fly to Sacramento. Still gives me chills thinking about it. |
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