|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2023 12:28:53 GMT -8
I, even at 64 with a bunch of back and joint pains, would really consider keeping my mouth shut if I were forced to be a ditch digger for 9 million dollars a year (what this year's#1 QB got).
|
|
|
|
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 7, 2023 12:30:46 GMT -8
And here I thought we lived in a capitalist society, where a worker can see what his/her skills are worth on the open market.
|
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2023 12:37:19 GMT -8
And here I thought we lived in a capitalist society, where a worker can see what his/her skills are worth on the open market. He can choose to work for the NFL rather than Walmart. Unless he's immediately hired as a top Exec, maybe THE top Exec, at Walmart, the NFL pays better. |
|
|
|
Post by NativeBeav on Sept 7, 2023 12:39:48 GMT -8
You mean, you mean - when I am getting paid big bucks, I don't get my cake and eat it too? What, the NFL might be run as a business? And, as a first real job, you might actually have to work for an employer and do a job that you really do not like? I am sure none of the rest of us can relate to that one - SMH.
I can think of one other former prominent QB in the league that turned his nose up at multiple offers - even after he was in the league. Still doesn't have a job - shocker!
The fact that Williams will be well-paid, or that he does something many others in the world would love to do, is immaterial. He will have no choice where he can work in his chosen field. And if he chooses to return to school instead of declaring for the draft if he knows he's ticketed for a trainwreck like the Cardinals, that is his option, too. The facts do not bear out this statement. Unless you are a spoiled millennial living in mommy and daddy's basement, the vast majority of workers in the working world have, or have in the past, worked for employers and/or worked jobs that they dislike. This is not opinion, it is fact. Survey after survey of workers in the US have proven it. Why? because it is life, and life is not always fair. We often do what we need to do, not what we would like to do - especially if we have a family. |
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2023 13:03:31 GMT -8
And here I thought we lived in a capitalist society, where a worker can see what his/her skills are worth on the open market. We live in a capitalist society, but the NFLPA and the ownership have created this Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight, wherein all of the other teams agree not to let a worker work where he wants on the open market at the beginning of his career. Basically, the rules are drawn up by veterans and teams with smaller bank accounts to create parity at the expense of young players and teams with larger bank accounts. A great example of why Communism, Fascism, and monopolies are bad. |
|
|
|
Post by spudbeaver on Sept 7, 2023 13:31:55 GMT -8
And here I thought we lived in a capitalist society, where a worker can see what his/her skills are worth on the open market. We live in a capitalist society, but the NFLPA and the ownership have created this Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight, wherein all of the other teams agree not to let a worker work where he wants on the open market at the beginning of his career. Basically, the rules are drawn up by veterans and teams with smaller bank accounts to create parity at the expense of young players and teams with larger bank accounts. A great example of why Communism, Fascism, and monopolies are bad. Yes, the NFL is "bad", very unpopular, and probably on the verge of collapse. |
|
|
|
Post by kersting13 on Sept 7, 2023 13:33:49 GMT -8
And here I thought we lived in a capitalist society, where a worker can see what his/her skills are worth on the open market. We live in a capitalist society, but the NFLPA and the ownership have created this Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight, wherein all of the other teams agree not to let a worker work where he wants on the open market at the beginning of his career. Basically, the rules are drawn up by veterans and teams with smaller bank accounts to create parity at the expense of young players and teams with larger bank accounts. A great example of why Communism, Fascism, and monopolies are bad. More than a bit of hyperbole, here. The NFL is an entertainment business. Part of the appeal to its customers is to entertain in a competitively balanced way. Many people work for a company and get assigned to a location that isn't their first choice, say the FBI for example. I understand that the system isn't exactly "free market", but it isn't "Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight". It's work rules set up in a CBA with a union and their employer(s). |
|
|
|
Post by ag87 on Sept 7, 2023 14:06:15 GMT -8
You mean, you mean - when I am getting paid big bucks, I don't get my cake and eat it too? What, the NFL might be run as a business? And, as a first real job, you might actually have to work for an employer and do a job that you really do not like? I am sure none of the rest of us can relate to that one - SMH.
I can think of one other former prominent QB in the league that turned his nose up at multiple offers - even after he was in the league. Still doesn't have a job - shocker!
Most, if not all of us, on this board had/have the ability to choose where we wanted to work, and with whom we worked, whether we were a ditch digger, engineer, teacher, whatever. If you did work for an employer and had to do a job you really didn't like, it was your choice, and you choose poorly. The fact that Williams will be well-paid, or that he does something many others in the world would love to do, is immaterial. He will have no choice where he can work in his chosen field. And if he chooses to return to school instead of declaring for the draft if he knows he's ticketed for a trainwreck like the Cardinals, that is his option, too. I don't remember. Did John Elway play milb or only threaten to do so? |
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2023 14:10:26 GMT -8
We live in a capitalist society, but the NFLPA and the ownership have created this Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight, wherein all of the other teams agree not to let a worker work where he wants on the open market at the beginning of his career. Basically, the rules are drawn up by veterans and teams with smaller bank accounts to create parity at the expense of young players and teams with larger bank accounts. A great example of why Communism, Fascism, and monopolies are bad. More than a bit of hyperbole, here. The NFL is an entertainment business. Part of the appeal to its customers is to entertain in a competitively balanced way. Many people work for a company and get assigned to a location that isn't their first choice, say the FBI for example. I understand that the system isn't exactly "free market", but it isn't "Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight". It's work rules set up in a CBA with a union and their employer(s). The Nazis had the Deutsche Arbeitsfront, the German Labor/Work Front. They built libraries, concert halls, swimming pools, theatres, sporting venues, resort complexes, and steamships for use by the German workers. And they were all promised Volkswagens, the People's Car. No one ever got their Volkswagen, though. And Communism was all about creating and then infiltrating certain labor unions, who then would rise up and create the backbone of the new regime. |
|
|
|
Post by bvrbred on Sept 7, 2023 14:47:30 GMT -8
We live in a capitalist society, but the NFLPA and the ownership have created this Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight, wherein all of the other teams agree not to let a worker work where he wants on the open market at the beginning of his career. Basically, the rules are drawn up by veterans and teams with smaller bank accounts to create parity at the expense of young players and teams with larger bank accounts. A great example of why Communism, Fascism, and monopolies are bad. More than a bit of hyperbole, here. The NFL is an entertainment business. Part of the appeal to its customers is to entertain in a competitively balanced way. Many people work for a company and get assigned to a location that isn't their first choice, say the FBI for example. I understand that the system isn't exactly "free market", but it isn't "Communist/Fascist/monopolist blight". It's work rules set up in a CBA with a union and their employer(s). Let me add that one of the selling points of the NFL, according to Commissioner Bell back in the 50s, was the claim that "On any given day any team in the NFL can beat any other team." In professoinal baseball this had been true. The best teams typically would win around 60% of their games and the worst teams win around 40%. Its easier to get fans to support a team, and its easier to get franchises to survive, if every team "Has their day" 40% of the time. I suspect the NFL wanted to avoid having really bad teams, unhappy fans, and franchise failures. |
|
|
|
Post by bvrbooster on Sept 7, 2023 15:36:22 GMT -8
And here I thought we lived in a capitalist society, where a worker can see what his/her skills are worth on the open market. We do live in a capitalist society, where neither Mr. Williams' son nor your son can be told where he must work or what he must do. The NFL is no doubt willing to offer Caleb a job at one of its locations if he wants to play football for a living. This is really no different from a large construction or engineering company offering a graduating senior a position at one of its locations. or telling a 2 year employee that they need to transfer him elsewhere. Happens all the time. When Caleb has a few years of NFL experience, he can opt to accept a position at another location if he is unhappy. Or, Caleb can tell the NFL thanks but no thanks, and opt to use his Oklahoma/USC education to seek employment elsewhere - just as anybody else's son can. But, in the NFL as in every other business in our capitalist society, management has the right to manage, and that includes deciding who will be hired, what they will do, and where they will do it. If Caleb doesn't like the where part, he can return to play football in his 3rd conference of his career. Maybe he can be part of a program that destroys that conference too. |
|
|
|
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 7, 2023 15:42:14 GMT -8
Most, if not all of us, on this board had/have the ability to choose where we wanted to work, and with whom we worked, whether we were a ditch digger, engineer, teacher, whatever. If you did work for an employer and had to do a job you really didn't like, it was your choice, and you choose poorly.The fact that Williams will be well-paid, or that he does something many others in the world would love to do, is immaterial. He will have no choice where he can work in his chosen field. And if he chooses to return to school instead of declaring for the draft if he knows he's ticketed for a trainwreck like the Cardinals, that is his option, too. The facts do not bear out this statement. Unless you are a spoiled millennial living in mommy and daddy's basement, the vast majority of workers in the working world have, or have in the past, worked for employers and/or worked jobs that they dislike. This is not opinion, it is fact. Survey after survey of workers in the US have proven it. Why? because it is life, and life is not always fair. We often do what we need to do, not what we would like to do - especially if we have a family. Your entire argument is a non-sequitur. All of those workers you say who worked s%#tty jobs they disliked HAD A CHOICE whether to work for that employer or not. Williams will not. His employer will be chosen for him. Yes, life is not fair. It is also blatantly unfair to prevent any person - be he/she an engineer, accountant, teacher, attorney, whatever - from choosing who he/she wants to work for. John Elway signed with the Yankees and played short-season baseball in Oneonta in the New York-Penn League. He had leverage and used it. Just as Williams does. This is really no different from a large construction or engineering company offering a graduating senior a position at one of its locations. or telling a 2 year employee that they need to transfer him elsewhere. Happens all the time.It's totally different. The graduating senior you refer to is not limited to one construction company, or engineering firm. If he/she doesn't like that firm's offer, he/she can accept another, better offer from a different company. Williams does not have that option. |
|
|
|
Post by bdudbeaver on Sept 7, 2023 17:46:33 GMT -8
I destroyed the Pac-12! I destroyed college Football!!! And I can destroy the NFL!!!!! It's all about MMMEEEEEE, Caleb the Magnificent!!!!!!!!
|
|
escott58
Sophomore
Posts: 1,319
Grad Year: 1983
|
Post by escott58 on Sept 7, 2023 19:04:21 GMT -8
We have a good example of a #1 pick going to a "rough" team in baseball. Might not be the same but I like it.
|
|
|
|
Post by spudbeaver on Sept 7, 2023 19:05:23 GMT -8
I destroyed the Pac-12! I destroyed college Football!!! And I can destroy the NFL!!!!! It's all about MMMEEEEEE, Caleb the Magnificent!!!!!!!! ”Clyde” gets it. |
|
