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Post by ostate on Sept 2, 2023 16:30:35 GMT -8
The subject matter of the chapter deals only with the act of giving notice to withdrawal - just as u$c and ucla did, they gave notice and were removed from the P12 governing group (no voting rights) - they had no seat at the table since they were leaving anyway, why would they be allowed to be involved in deciding the future and direction of the P12? Precedent is good, that will help. But UCLA and USC not showing up for votes when it was 10-2 in the room may or may not mean much. Now the leavers have the 10 votes ( if they are allowed to vote). If we think 9 teams can vote to dissolve the MWC so they can join the pacx, why do we think the 10 Pac-12 leavers can’t vote to dissolve the pac 12? Anyway, whatever I think on a message board is meaningless, attorneys are going to have to figure this all out, and I’m not an attorney. There are now only 2 members of the P12 CEO group that have votes, us and wazzu... the others are gone, kicked out of the group when they gave notice to leave... the only way the P12 dissolves if us and wazzu vote to dissolve it... |
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Post by gameday on Sept 2, 2023 18:09:52 GMT -8
No the Pac name does not carry any weight anymore because there is not much left in it. I can call my Ford Ranger truck a Mercedes too. Name means crap at this point. Now if we can get Notre Dame to join with their FB history. Sparty, the PAC name has more "brand" power. The ucks were able to turn last year's loss to the Beavers into a Big10 invite because of brand power. The PAC 12 still exists, will likely have 5-6 of the top ranked football teams in the country. Next year, minus 10 existing teams, as long as it still exists with a dozen or more teams, it'll still have more "brand" power than the MWC. We're not calling a Ford a Mercedes. Mercedes could put out a piece of ##it car and it would still carry more brand power than a Ford. Is it safe to say that the biggest assets we bring to merge/re-merge are, 1. PAC label, and 2. Auto qualifier? I’m trying to figure out why that would not be appealing to the MW. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 2, 2023 18:18:07 GMT -8
Sparty, the PAC name has more "brand" power. The ucks were able to turn last year's loss to the Beavers into a Big10 invite because of brand power. The PAC 12 still exists, will likely have 5-6 of the top ranked football teams in the country. Next year, minus 10 existing teams, as long as it still exists with a dozen or more teams, it'll still have more "brand" power than the MWC. We're not calling a Ford a Mercedes. Mercedes could put out a piece of ##it car and it would still carry more brand power than a Ford. Is it safe to say that the biggest assets we bring to merge/re-merge are, 1. PAC label, and 2. Auto qualifier? I’m trying to figure out why that would not be appealing to the MW. There are no auto qualifiers. Again the rules are: The field of 12 teams will be comprised of the six conference champions ranked highest by the selection committee (no minimum ranking requirement), plus the six highest-ranked other teams. The ranking of the teams will continue to be done by a selection committee whose size, composition, and method of selection will remain substantially unchanged from the current arrangement. The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded one through four and each will receive a first-round bye. The other eight teams will play in the first round with the higher seeds hosting the lower seeds either on campus or at other sites designated by the higher-seeded institution |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 2, 2023 20:16:37 GMT -8
Precedent is good, that will help. But UCLA and USC not showing up for votes when it was 10-2 in the room may or may not mean much. Now the leavers have the 10 votes ( if they are allowed to vote). If we think 9 teams can vote to dissolve the MWC so they can join the pacx, why do we think the 10 Pac-12 leavers can’t vote to dissolve the pac 12? Anyway, whatever I think on a message board is meaningless, attorneys are going to have to figure this all out, and I’m not an attorney. They didn't "not show up for votes", they did not have voting rights so they had no need to be there. Same with Colorado not being there to vote the Friday it all fell apart. Oregon and uo literally gave notice 5-10 minutes prior to that voting meeting, at which point the vote was no longer part of their business. The teams you call leavers have already given up their right to vote by giving notice. None of the MWC teams have given official notice (SDSU had to negotiate their way out of what they considered an inquiry) but they can call a meeting for a dissolution vote anytime they want, and if 9 vote to dissolve, their conference is toast and they are free to leave without a buyout. The Pac has not sat down for a vote to dissolve. It has not dissolved. Everyone left of their own accord a team or two or more at a time. Each time they announced intent to leave they lost voting rights. At no time did the required majority of the Pac vote to dissolve the entity. Now there are only 2 voting members left. If they decide amongst themselves to leave and notify the conference, then the conference dissolves, otherwise, they are the 2 voting members of the conference and it still exists. Not really that confusing. Fine, let me know when us and wsu hold a vote that benefits OSU and WSU and is detrimental to the leavers. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 2, 2023 22:34:56 GMT -8
Sparty, the PAC name has more "brand" power. The ucks were able to turn last year's loss to the Beavers into a Big10 invite because of brand power. The PAC 12 still exists, will likely have 5-6 of the top ranked football teams in the country. Next year, minus 10 existing teams, as long as it still exists with a dozen or more teams, it'll still have more "brand" power than the MWC. We're not calling a Ford a Mercedes. Mercedes could put out a piece of ##it car and it would still carry more brand power than a Ford. Is it safe to say that the biggest assets we bring to merge/re-merge are, 1. PAC label, and 2. Auto qualifier? I’m trying to figure out why that would not be appealing to the MW. The MWC has a media deal for 4 million a team for the next couple years, with Boise State getting a bit more. The Pac 2 had a 25+ million a team offer when it was the Pac 9. If Apple wants football, and the rumor is out there that they do, a reconstituted Pac something is the ONLY conference with an open media contract. Likely Apple would not be willing to pay what they offered earlier, but it's also likely it'll be a good bump over what the MWC is getting now, with higher top end potential. Too many people are selling a rebuilt league short. If an Apple deal doesn't materialize the short sellers may be right, if it does materialize they could be very wrong. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 2, 2023 23:53:47 GMT -8
Is it safe to say that the biggest assets we bring to merge/re-merge are, 1. PAC label, and 2. Auto qualifier? I’m trying to figure out why that would not be appealing to the MW. There are no auto qualifiers. Again the rules are: The field of 12 teams will be comprised of the six conference champions ranked highest by the selection committee (no minimum ranking requirement), plus the six highest-ranked other teams. The ranking of the teams will continue to be done by a selection committee whose size, composition, and method of selection will remain substantially unchanged from the current arrangement. The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded one through four and each will receive a first-round bye. The other eight teams will play in the first round with the higher seeds hosting the lower seeds either on campus or at other sites designated by the higher-seeded institution my heartburn is the phrase "ranked highest by the selection committee. " I think that selection committee is doing the work for the SEC, Big10, Our Lady, and USC. If the rankings were computer based and allowed scores of games to be factored, I'd feel 100% better. |
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Post by gameday on Sept 3, 2023 8:34:24 GMT -8
Is it safe to say that the biggest assets we bring to merge/re-merge are, 1. PAC label, and 2. Auto qualifier? I’m trying to figure out why that would not be appealing to the MW. The MWC has a media deal for 4 million a team for the next couple years, with Boise State getting a bit more. The Pac 2 had a 25+ million a team offer when it was the Pac 9. If Apple wants football, and the rumor is out there that they do, a reconstituted Pac something is the ONLY conference with an open media contract. Likely Apple would not be willing to pay what they offered earlier, but it's also likely it'll be a good bump over what the MWC is getting now, with higher top end potential. Too many people are selling a rebuilt league short. If an Apple deal doesn't materialize the short sellers may be right, if it does materialize they could be very wrong. I have heard Apple does want in. And Fox wants them out. That much sounds true. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Sept 3, 2023 9:55:53 GMT -8
The MWC has a media deal for 4 million a team for the next couple years, with Boise State getting a bit more. The Pac 2 had a 25+ million a team offer when it was the Pac 9. If Apple wants football, and the rumor is out there that they do, a reconstituted Pac something is the ONLY conference with an open media contract. Likely Apple would not be willing to pay what they offered earlier, but it's also likely it'll be a good bump over what the MWC is getting now, with higher top end potential. Too many people are selling a rebuilt league short. If an Apple deal doesn't materialize the short sellers may be right, if it does materialize they could be very wrong. I have heard Apple does want in. And Fox wants them out. That much sounds true. fox may not want to get in a pissing match with Apple. Fox valuation of 15.6 billion, Apple a tidy 2.96 trillion |
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Post by beaver94 on Sept 3, 2023 11:41:06 GMT -8
I have heard Apple does want in. And Fox wants them out. That much sounds true. fox may not want to get in a pissing match with Apple. Fox valuation of 15.6 billion, Apple a tidy 2.96 trillion I’m pretty sure Apple has more cash on hand than Fix is worth |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 3, 2023 11:43:56 GMT -8
fox may not want to get in a pissing match with Apple. Fox valuation of 15.6 billion, Apple a tidy 2.96 trillion I’m pretty sure Apple has more cash on hand than Fix is worth Pretty sure if they got pissed Apple could fund a hostile takeover anytime. But, linear is beneath them. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Sept 3, 2023 11:57:43 GMT -8
fox may not want to get in a pissing match with Apple. Fox valuation of 15.6 billion, Apple a tidy 2.96 trillion I’m pretty sure Apple has more cash on hand than Fix is worth 62 billion cash on hand |
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Post by aggielarry on Sept 3, 2023 19:27:39 GMT -8
What’s your moniker over there? I haven’t seen an aggielarry. I’m already on there as clydebeav. On USUFans.com my screen name is LKGates. |
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Post by clydebeav on Sept 3, 2023 20:50:31 GMT -8
What’s your moniker over there? I haven’t seen an aggielarry. I’m already on there as clydebeav. On USUFans.com my screen name is LKGates. Are you on MWCBoard.com? That's actually what I was referring to. |
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Post by aggielarry on Sept 3, 2023 21:19:35 GMT -8
On USUFans.com my screen name is LKGates. Are you on MWCBoard.com? That's actually what I was referring to. Sorry. That was obvious, and I still missed it. I’m LKGates on the MWC board as well, I just don’t post as much over there. MWCBoard.com is perceived as being a little unfriendly toward USU. It’s complicated… |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 4, 2023 9:12:10 GMT -8
Sparty, the PAC name has more "brand" power. The ucks were able to turn last year's loss to the Beavers into a Big10 invite because of brand power. The PAC 12 still exists, will likely have 5-6 of the top ranked football teams in the country. Next year, minus 10 existing teams, as long as it still exists with a dozen or more teams, it'll still have more "brand" power than the MWC. We're not calling a Ford a Mercedes. Mercedes could put out a piece of ##it car and it would still carry more brand power than a Ford. Is it safe to say that the biggest assets we bring to merge/re-merge are, 1. PAC label, and 2. Auto qualifier? I’m trying to figure out why that would not be appealing to the MW. Our biggest asset by maintaining the Pac-12 Conference brand is NCAA men's basketball units. The Pac-12 earned more than $6+ million for earning 19 units in the 2021 NCAA tournament alone. This $6+ million will be paid out, every year, through 2027 (each unit earned is paid out for six years). We and Wazzu will receive that money, minus the league's cut, in 2025, 2026 and 2027; those that leave the league on 8/1/24 won't. The total haul from 2021, which we helped compile by earning four units, is about $38.4 million. The Pac-12 earned seven units in 2019, 2022 and 2023. That's about $14 million total from each season (about $52 million overall) over the 6-year lifespan of payments. The money earned from the 2019 units will expire in 2025; the money earned from the 2022 units will expire in 2028 and the money earned from the 2023 units will expire in 2029. After 8/1/24, WSU and OSU will share all that money (minus whatever the league takes) paid out in 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2029. The best thing that can happen this year is for the Pac-12 to have an outstanding MBB tournament, like 2021, earn about 20 units and create a six-year windfall of $7 or $8 million in annual payments for us and Wazzu to divide to help us get through the next couple years financially until everything settles down and the reverse merger with the MWC can be facilitated. I expect once the merger is done, we and Wazzu will have to share some of those MBB revenues with the remainder of the league. |
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