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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 1, 2023 9:11:55 GMT -8
We probably don't. Teams that have escaped the WAC/MWC have had certain advantages. ASU had Frank Kush's tenure and a major metropolitan area. AZ got coattailed in with ASU. Utah had Kyle Wittingham's success and a major metropolitan area. Although OSU is on the outskirts of a major metropolitan area, the conventional wisdom is that Oregon dominates the state's interest in football. We are sporting a two year winning streak and before that half dozen years of frustration thanks to poor oversight. If we can hold this staff together for 3-4 more years and have outstanding success we might have an outside shot. But Boise State hasn't gotten out. They have had impressive football success but Boise, while certainly larger than Corvallis, is not considered a major metropolitan area (around 500,000 compared to Portand's 2,500,000). Yet. Barnes' priorities: 1) find a home for OSU AD. 2) endowment fund to keep Smith around. The s%#tty thing is, even if we have the money to keep Smith, we will not attract the same recruits.......Smith may be good with that, who knows?.....maybe he's good with being the kings of the broke Pac mountain?? I'm so used to football coaches trying to move up the food chain though, so that's always my default......Smith is already on a short list in the "next big thing" in college football coaching. Don't agree on recruiting. The things that draw recruits is the program itself and the fit. No one is coming to OSU because they are in the PAC 12, they would just go to a bigger P12 program if they had the option. Its not like our recruiting is even good. Nationally were range between 50 and 70. Year on year we recruit slightly better than the top 3 teams of the MWC. You want recruits, keep winning, keep sending guys to the NFL, keep the program strong. |
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 1, 2023 9:14:44 GMT -8
We likely won't get players like Chiles or DJU but we won 10 games last year in the Pac12 w/o those guys. I have confidence Jonathan can get it done in the MWC. After he leaves, given our track record for picking losers.....
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 1, 2023 9:21:44 GMT -8
My point is OSU and WSU are worth it. If you want to disagree, I don't care. It doesn't matter that Smails (and I) disagree. The TV networks do not think we are worth that much. I don't think Cal and Stanford will be getting anything close to $15 million over the early part of their membership. The ACC's contract is for less than the Big 12s, and 30% of that is probably in the $8-10 million range. They'll blow at least 1/4 of that on travel expenses. Allegedly ESPN will add a little bit to the existing contract. That is why I said $10-15 million. But that will mostly be eaten away by travel expenses. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 1, 2023 9:22:31 GMT -8
Barnes' priorities: 1) find a home for OSU AD. 2) endowment fund to keep Smith around. The s%#tty thing is, even if we have the money to keep Smith, we will not attract the same recruits.......Smith may be good with that, who knows?.....maybe he's good with being the kings of the broke Pac mountain?? I'm so used to football coaches trying to move up the food chain though, so that's always my default......Smith is already on a short list in the "next big thing" in college football coaching. Don't agree on recruiting. The things that draw recruits is the program itself and the fit. No one is coming to OSU because they are in the PAC 12, they would just go to a bigger P12 program if they had the option. Its not like our recruiting is even good. Nationally were range between 50 and 70. Year on year we recruit slightly better than the top 3 teams of the MWC. You want recruits, keep winning, keep sending guys to the NFL, keep the program strong. Our recruiting has been on the rise with Smith, where as, it was total s%#t with Ando pants......Riley was good at finding "diamonds in the rough.". Smith has been continually winning recruiting battles with kids who have lots of options......that is pretty rare at OSU. imo, the Pac stays together, our recruiting profile continues to improve, nationally. It's all speculation as to how being relegated to to the broke Pac mountain affects recruiting. Every kid has a different set of priorities.....I think there will be kids we are landing now that we won't land when we are in the MW......I'm sure there will be a few we will land based on geography, travel, etc......but, overall I see it as a net negative.....and if Smith gets poached, all bets are off. We could easily slip into college football purgatory....that's the worst part of the timing of this. It could derail our great momentum. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 1, 2023 9:26:35 GMT -8
Well, I didn't want to continue to be connected to Stanford and Cal anyway.
What that means for OSU and WSU at this point is still undecided. Probably something involving the MWC, but not for sure.
It sounds like Barnes has something up his sleeve.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 1, 2023 9:32:22 GMT -8
We likely won't get players like Chiles or DJU but we won 10 games last year in the Pac12 w/o those guys. I have confidence Jonathan can get it done in the MWC. After he leaves, given our track record for picking losers..... Well yeah, we have gotten exactly 0 players like them in the previous 10 years so should be fine. We have been in the PAC 12 longer than most of us have been alive. In the last decade we have gotten 12 247 4 star+ recruits. Chiles is the highest rated player since Isaac Seumalo (2012) and the 6th highest all time. DJU would have been the highest rated player in the history of the program and was rated as a 101 (didn't even know that was a thing) and #2 recruit in the country in the 2020 class. Steven Nelson (2013) Datrin Guyton (2014) Kammy Delp (2014) Noah Togiai (2015) David Morris (2017) Matthew Tago (2018) Luke Musgrave (2019) Charles Moore (2019) Easton Mascarenas-Arnold (2021) Damir Collins (2021) Aiden Chiles (2023) Kelze Howard (2023) If you look hard at that list you might notice that about 5 of them never showed, didn't develop or transferred. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Sept 1, 2023 9:40:24 GMT -8
agreed... as stated by so many so many times.... this sucks.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 1, 2023 9:52:55 GMT -8
Well, I didn't want to continue to be connected to Stanford and Cal anyway. What that means for OSU and WSU at this point is still undecided. Probably something involving the MWC, but not for sure. It sounds like Barnes has something up his sleeve. An invite to the Big 12? 🤞 Other than that, what else could it be? It's either that or broke Pac mountain |
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Post by grayman on Sept 1, 2023 10:08:44 GMT -8
Well, I didn't want to continue to be connected to Stanford and Cal anyway. What that means for OSU and WSU at this point is still undecided. Probably something involving the MWC, but not for sure. It sounds like Barnes has something up his sleeve. An invite to the Big 12? 🤞 Other than that, what else could it be? It's either that or broke Pac mountain That would be my hope. The problem is that I believe Yormark is keeping an eye on the instability of the ACC and how the Big 12 could potentially capitalize on the situation at some point. But I also believe that he could be swayed. So we'll see. As I said, it's probably something involving the MWC, which would have to be a reverse merger IMO. |
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 1, 2023 10:20:12 GMT -8
I still don't see a strong argument that it's better to be a small fish in a big pond, than a big fish in a small pond. It's not the revenue number that matters, it's the profit/loss that matters. Obviously the income side has to be reasonably large, but if joining the Big12 means losing $10M/yr, and joining the MWC means losing $5M/year, is being in a relevant league really helping at that point?
Maybe convert the Pac-12 network to an Apple Sports network, and build it out with lots of pieces (various other sports rights into a bundle.) I mean, what if OSU and WSU grew a nationwide audience akin to the Braves with TNT for so long?
OSU needs to right its own ship within its own power, or we will always be the red-headed stepchild in any of the big conferences, where being kicked to the curb is eventually inevitable again. This is a chance to be creative and forward-thinking; some reduced share, charitable lifeline from say the Big 12 seems like it could be an even quicker death blow.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 1, 2023 10:27:31 GMT -8
An invite to the Big 12? 🤞 Other than that, what else could it be? It's either that or broke Pac mountain That would be my hope. The problem is that I believe Yormark is keeping an eye on the instability of the ACC and how the Big 12 could potentially capitalize on the situation at some point. But I also believe that he could be swayed. So we'll see. As I said, it's probably something involving the MWC, which would have to be a reverse merger IMO. This is like the college sports version of game of thrones, and we are a bastard that no one wants......maybe we can sneak into the castle.....looking more like we are shuttled off to an obscure village to be a blacksmith or some s%#t |
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Post by grayman on Sept 1, 2023 10:30:14 GMT -8
That would be my hope. The problem is that I believe Yormark is keeping an eye on the instability of the ACC and how the Big 12 could potentially capitalize on the situation at some point. But I also believe that he could be swayed. So we'll see. As I said, it's probably something involving the MWC, which would have to be a reverse merger IMO. This is like the college sports version of game of thrones, and we are a bastard that no one wants......maybe we can sneak into the castle.....looking more like we are shuttled off to an obscure village to be a blacksmith or some s%#t We are Tyrion! |
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Post by wetrodentia on Sept 1, 2023 10:34:22 GMT -8
Sent to the wall to join the Night's watch. Not good. Winter is coming.
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Post by ricke71 on Sept 1, 2023 10:43:01 GMT -8
I’m confused. So we get $7 million a year for 2 years then $15 million a year supplemented by pac-12 old money. Why not beg the big 12 to let us in for $18-20 now and be done with it. MWC has great baseball too. Big 12: 3rd overall RPI (per Nolan). 7 of 9 teams in top 100 RPI PAC 12: 4th overall RPI (per Nolan). 10 of 11 teams in top 100 RPI American Athletic: 9th overall RPI. 1 of 8 teams in top 100 RPI MWC: 19th overall RPI. 0 of 7 teams in top 100 RPI |
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 1, 2023 10:43:06 GMT -8
Sent to the wall to join the Night's watch. Not good. Winter is coming. Oh ya? How’d that turn out for Jon Snow? |
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