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Post by alexm on Aug 26, 2023 6:06:03 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity. The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters. The problem (and also outcome everybody is hoping for for Stanford) is that P5 or bust could easily turn into “bust.” |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 26, 2023 16:33:16 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity. The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters. You want P5 status? You're going to have to fight like hell to retain P5 status, because barring a major disruption, no other conference currently wants OSU/WSU (that we know about). Here's your best bet - take as many schools as you can from the AAC and MW into the PAC-X. They automatically get voting rights as P5 schools. From what I recall, they need a 2/3rd vote to remove the P5 status from PAC-X. Tell the traitor schools that if they vote against you, you will act, as the sole voting member of the PAC-12, to ban them from being named league champions (yes, this is possible according to Wilner) and change any possible thing you can to extract the maximum amount of financial damages from them. Yes, this would cause a permanent rift, but only with the ones voting against your interest anyhow. Then maybe, just maybe you keep your P5 status. Or it forces the SEC/B1G to do what's eventually expected, break off, and form their own league. Which then opens up a world of lawsuits. But realistically, I'd encourage you to take a step back and think about what this all leads to...let's say we retain P5 status and we're making $15 million a year and some of the bigger players are making $80 million. What happens when (not if) players are declared employees? Do we cut everything but football? What are we doing this all for? So that national media can recognize us as national champions in some bizarre miracle year? And then what? I still think it would be better, although extremely unlikely, to start turning the ship of lower-tier schools towards a more equitable approach, pre-NCAA lawsuit style, and forming a separate league that focuses less on money, less on free agency, and more on just good, competitive football. Yes, you will then never hear OSU mentioned in the same league as Georgia. But that approach was almost never going to happen and realistically, it's probably the best end result anyhow. Then it won't be such a stretch to fund all the other sports. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 26, 2023 17:10:32 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity.The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters. |
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