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Post by jimbeav on Aug 25, 2023 9:50:45 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan.
Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else.
This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate.
SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude.
For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess:
1) Less revenue.
2) Lesser competition.
We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence.
We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity.
The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one!
Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world.
Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning.
There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess:
P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 25, 2023 10:15:52 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity. The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters. That would be great if any P5 conference wanted us......but they don't. Also, doing so would initially wack off $20-30 million of our budget. It would be even tougher than how we've been operating now and we would definitely not be able to afford to pay our coaching staff. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 25, 2023 10:50:05 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity. The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters.Maybe I'm beating a dead horse here but there's still reason to believe the Beavers could wind up in the Big 12 after all. Until OSU winds up in some other conference situation, that's what I've got my eye on. And I believe that this is the end game Barnes has been working toward. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 25, 2023 11:44:03 GMT -8
I still think that the only way out is for OSU/WSU to lead the rebuilding of the Pac. The emergency fund, the Pac-12 network and its assets are reason enough to pursue it, even if absorbing the MWC whole into the Pac is the way to do it.
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Aug 25, 2023 11:50:38 GMT -8
I still think that the only way out is for OSU/WSU to lead the rebuilding of the Pac. The emergency fund, the Pac-12 network and its assets are reason enough to pursue it, even if absorbing the MWC whole into the Pac is the way to do it. Wishing P5(P4?) conferences wanted us will probably not get us anywhere. For sure try to get in something better - but you are right - a reconstituted PAC-12 is likely the best outcome… |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 25, 2023 12:03:58 GMT -8
I still think that the only way out is for OSU/WSU to lead the rebuilding of the Pac. The emergency fund, the Pac-12 network and its assets are reason enough to pursue it, even if absorbing the MWC whole into the Pac is the way to do it. Wishing P5(P4?) conferences wanted us will probably not get us anywhere. For sure try to get in something better - but you are right - a reconstituted PAC-12 is likely the best outcome… The only way it happens is if one of these super conferences is interested in creating geographic regional divisions. Now we know how Boise fans have felt for the last decade or so. They've got a great program in a location where they are essentially the only game in town, there's no pro sports to compete with, but they are located in a media market where television networks just don't care about reaching, because there just aren't enough eyeballs. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 25, 2023 12:18:18 GMT -8
I still think that the only way out is for OSU/WSU to lead the rebuilding of the Pac. The emergency fund, the Pac-12 network and its assets are reason enough to pursue it, even if absorbing the MWC whole into the Pac is the way to do it. Wishing P5(P4?) conferences wanted us will probably not get us anywhere. For sure try to get in something better - but you are right - a reconstituted PAC-12 is likely the best outcome… There isn't going to be a reconstituted Pac-12. Not in reality. At best it will be the melding of fragments consisting of the best schools/programs from other conferences (probably the MWC and AAC, although I suppose there's hope of adding additional schools from the ACC when it falls apart). Or it will be the MWC absorbing OSU and WSU. Worst case is that OSU is somehow left out of a conference completely and unable to get back into a conference due to lack of interest. This seems pretty unlikely, however. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2023 12:22:09 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity. The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters. Hilarious... and ridiculous... all at the same time. Like anything Barnes can do will MAKE a P5 conference take OSU! Freaking funny. Ok... this post will jump all over as you make so many absurd proclamations it is mind boggling... I believe we are well past the stage of the being invited to a p% conference... I think? And, you have zero idea of what has happened out of the public eye, let alone know what OSU/Barnes' mind set is/has been. We all do know we are well into Plan B, C, maybe D. "At all costs"... again hilarious. What does that mean? Offer to join a conference just because it has a P5 label? For what, free? Yeah... that will work! Or, what just drop athletics if we aren't going to be P5?? Comparing OSU to Stanford's arrogant attitude... LOL... yeah that is the stance we should all take. FFS dude... go become a fan of some P5 team if that is your take. Or, how about you simply pony up multimillions per year for OSU to just join any old conference for absolutely no revenue!! Cuz, you do know comparing financial resources and what Stanford is capable of, hence their comments, and what OSU has/is capable of is like comparing apples to like... what caviar. Oh wait... I forgot, the conference(s)/media partners would have to want OSU... right? Or, in your two weeks of decision making (thank gawd you have no pull in any of the OSU brain trust's thought process!) come up with some idea that the conferences will suddenly want OSU? Or you know from all this master deliberation that Barnes has not already been down that road?? Scary part... it took you two weeks to come up with this stream of... By the way, none of what you say is factual. You simply made stuff up from your personal bias. For instance, you do know all those inferior teams and weak competition have not only had success, but recruit very good football players, and have/had tons of great coaches. Where do think the most of the P5 coaches and assistants come from? Last I looked there were 589 NFL roster spots held by non P5 players, about 20%. Being a great team in a non P5 conference would be a step up for OSU. Try looking at the pecking order if OSU were to be in some of the other P5 conferences getting no money. Really, you think our recruiting would not suffer? As far as scheduling, OSU can schedule as tough as they want in their NC games. Or, are you of the as far removed from reality mind set that OSU can compete with the elite teams if we are in a P5 conference?? But, more importantly you're just spouting nonsense as OSU will not be in one of the remaining P4 conferences no matter what you think Barnes can do. And, your thoughts are from a poster with vast experience in D1 athletic administration?? And, your entire paragraph on big changes and unsustainability is pure uneducated blather. You have no idea IF changes will come, let alone when or what, or how it would effect OSU in terms of what conference they are in. It's pure, uneducated speculation. Not being a P5 school is not the end of the world. Having zero revenue is. Less is pretty much already assured. But, as you said, we've thrived with less, always have... and will again. Barnes has done everything he can given what he has to work with. And, speak for your own (and a tiny minority) "excitement" level. Most attend OSU games to watch OSU. We have a 35k seat stadium and it will be 80%-90%+ full no matter what conference we are in. If you and those like you aren't excited enough, so be it. Others will be. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 25, 2023 12:28:13 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity. The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters. Hilarious... and ridiculous... all at the same time. Like anything Barnes can do will MAKE a P5 conference take OSU! Freaking funny. Ok... this post will jump all over as you make so many absurd proclamations it is mind boggling... I believe we are well past the stage of the being invited to a p% conference... I think? And, you have zero idea of what has happened out of the public eye, let alone know what OSU/Barnes' mind set is/has been. We all do know we are well into Plan B, C, maybe D. "At all costs"... again hilarious. What does that mean? Offer to join a conference just because it has a P5 label? For what, free? Yeah... that will work! Or, what just drop athletics if we aren't going to be P5?? Comparing OSU to Stanford's arrogant attitude... LOL... yeah that is the stance we should all take. FFS dude... go become a fan of some P5 team if that is your take. Or, how about you simply pony up multimillions per year for OSU to just join any old conference for absolutely no revenue!! Cuz, you do know comparing financial resources and what Stanford is capable of, hence their comments, and what OSU has/is capable of is like comparing apples to like... what caviar. Oh wait... I forgot, the conference(s)/media partners would have to want OSU... right? Or, in your two weeks of decision making (thank gawd you have no pull in any of the OSU brain trust's thought process!) come up with some idea that the conferences will suddenly want OSU? Or you know from all this master deliberation that Barnes has not already been down that road?? Scary part... it took you two weeks to come up with this stream of... By the way, none of what you say is factual. You simply made stuff up from your personal bias. For instance, you do know all those inferior teams and weak competition have not only had success, but recruit very good football players, and have/had tons of great coaches. Where do think the most of the P5 coaches and assistants come from? Last I looked there were 589 NFL roster spots held by non P5 players, about 20%. Being a great team in a non P5 conference would be a step up for OSU. Try looking at the pecking order if OSU were to be in some of the other P5 conferences getting no money. Really, you think our recruiting would not suffer? As far as scheduling, OSU can schedule as tough as they want in their NC games. Or, are you of the as far removed from reality mind set that OSU can compete with the elite teams if we are in a P5 conference?? But, more importantly you're just spouting nonsense as OSU will not be in one of the remaining P4 conferences no matter what you think Barnes can do. And, your thoughts are from a poster with vast experience in D1 athletic administration?? And, your entire paragraph on big changes and unsustainability is pure uneducated blather. You have no idea IF changes will come, let alone when or what, or how it would effect OSU in terms of what conference they are in. It's pure, uneducated speculation. Not being a P5 school is not the end of the world. Having zero revenue is. Less is pretty much already assured. But, as you said, we've thrived with less, always have... and will again. Barnes has done everything he can given what he has to work with. And, speak for your own (and a tiny minority) "excitement" level. Most attend OSU games to watch OSU. We have a 35k seat stadium and it will be 80%-90%+ full no matter what conference we are in. If you and those like you aren't excited enough, so be it. Others will be. Having no revenue but belonging to a P4 conference would only guarantee to lock Oregon State in as a perennial doormat. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 25, 2023 12:28:45 GMT -8
Wishing P5(P4?) conferences wanted us will probably not get us anywhere. For sure try to get in something better - but you are right - a reconstituted PAC-12 is likely the best outcome… There isn't going to be a reconstituted Pac-12. At best it will be the melding of fragments consisting of the best schools/programs from other conferences (probably the MWC and AAC, although I suppose there's hope of adding additional schools from the ACC when it falls apart). Or it will be the MWC absorbing OSU and WSU. Worst case is that OSU is somehow left out of a conference completely and unable to get back into a conference due to lack of interest. This seems pretty unlikely, however. If OSU and WSU join the MWC, say hello to a 4 mil a year TV contract and prepare to share the next 5 years of the last 5 year's won't of Pac 12 residuals with every last one that just left. If the MWC votes to disband and join the Pac 2, that IS a reconstituted PAC. It's not locked into a small CBS driven contract, and OSU and WSU get to decide what the Pac does with the residuals that are coming. Whether that happens or not has yet to be seen, but both OSU/WSU and the MWC schools have big financial incentives to do it. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 25, 2023 12:33:42 GMT -8
After processing for a couple weeks (and still doing so), I've decided where I stand as a lifelong OSU fan. Stanford said on day one that their athletic program was built for Power 5, and they wouldn't accept anything else. This is the correct attitude, and one that OSU needs to emulate. SMU is willing to join a P5 conference and receive no monetary benefit from it. That is also the right attitude. For the small market teams like us, there are two potential impacts from this mess: 1) Less revenue. 2) Lesser competition. We can survive and even thrive with less revenue than other programs. We have done so our entire existence. We cannot survive with lesser competition. Lesser competition begets lesser recruits, lesser coaches, and less fan interest. And it all but ensures less revenue in perpetuity. The current path of college football as driven by TV execs is unsustainable. There will be more massive changes in the coming years. We need to make sure that there is as little friction as possible in having OSU be a part of the major college football landscape as it continues evolving. And while taking a step down to G5 status may sound logical, this discounts how difficult it will be to get back up to a P5 level once we fully absorb this demotion. And make no mistake: it is a demotion, and a big one! Barnes' top priority should be making every conceivable effort to join a P5 conference, and being open to every possible option to make that happen, including giving up some or all of the financial benefits. The donors (myself included), the courts, and the legislature can help stabilize the revenue model. But nothing can replace the excitement, passion, and anticipation of watching our Beavs matching up against the Oregon's or Washington's or USC's of the world. Replacing that with a slate of games against the UNLV's, Wyoming's, and Utah State's of the world, would suck all the emotion out of the room. And without emotion, college sports has little meaning. There is only one correct attitude for OSU to have in this whole mess: P5 or bust. At all costs. Nothing else matters. Hilarious... and ridiculous... all at the same time. Like anything Barnes can do will MAKE a P5 conference take OSU! Freaking funny. Ok... this post will jump all over as you make so many absurd proclamations it is mind boggling... I believe we are well past the stage of the being invited to a p% conference... I think? And, you have zero idea of what has happened out of the public eye, let alone know what OSU/Barnes' mind set is/has been. We all do know we are well into Plan B, C, maybe D. "At all costs"... again hilarious. What does that mean? Offer to join a conference just because it has a P5 label? For what, free? Yeah... that will work! Or, what just drop athletics if we aren't going to be P5?? Comparing OSU to Stanford's arrogant attitude... LOL... yeah that is the stance we should all take. FFS dude... go become a fan of some P5 team if that is your take. Or, how about you simply pony up multimillions per year for OSU to just join any old conference for absolutely no revenue!! Cuz, you do know comparing financial resources and what Stanford is capable of, hence their comments, and what OSU has/is capable of is like comparing apples to like... what caviar. Oh wait... I forgot, the conference(s)/media partners would have to want OSU... right? Or, in your two weeks of decision making (thank gawd you have no pull in any of the OSU brain trust's thought process!) come up with some idea that the conferences will suddenly want OSU? Or you know from all this master deliberation that Barnes has not already been down that road?? Scary part... it took you two weeks to come up with this stream of... By the way, none of what you say is factual. You simply made stuff up from your personal bias. For instance, you do know all those inferior teams and weak competition have not only had success, but recruit very good football players, and have/had tons of great coaches. Where do think the most of the P5 coaches and assistants come from? Last I looked there were 589 NFL roster spots held by non P5 players, about 20%. Being a great team in a non P5 conference would be a step up for OSU. Try looking at the pecking order if OSU were to be in some of the other P5 conferences getting no money. Really, you think our recruiting would not suffer? As far as scheduling, OSU can schedule as tough as they want in their NC games. Or, are you of the as far removed from reality mind set that OSU can compete with the elite teams if we are in a P5 conference??But, more importantly you're just spouting nonsense as OSU will not be in one of the remaining P4 conferences no matter what you think Barnes can do. And, your thoughts are from a poster with vast experience in D1 athletic administration?? And, your entire paragraph on big changes and unsustainability is pure uneducated blather. You have no idea IF changes will come, let alone when or what, or how it would effect OSU in terms of what conference they are in. It's pure, uneducated speculation. Not being a P5 school is not the end of the world. Having zero revenue is. Less is pretty much already assured. But, as you said, we've thrived with less, always have... and will again. Barnes has done everything he can given what he has to work with. And, speak for your own (and a tiny minority) "excitement" level. Most attend OSU games to watch OSU. We have a 35k seat stadium and it will be 80%-90%+ full no matter what conference we are in. If you and those like you aren't excited enough, so be it. Others will be. OSU is not going anywhere for no money. And the Beavers are highly competitive in football right now. The baseball program is a perennial power. Gymnastics is strong. Women's basketball has had plenty of success in the past decade. Wrestling is solid. They don't need to join with the MWC or AAC, etc. to be able to compete. They're already there. But do go on... |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2023 12:34:27 GMT -8
Wishing P5(P4?) conferences wanted us will probably not get us anywhere. For sure try to get in something better - but you are right - a reconstituted PAC-12 is likely the best outcome… . At best it will be the melding of fragments consisting of the best schools/programs from other conferences (probably the MWC and AAC, although I suppose there's hope of adding additional schools from the ACC when it falls apart). Or it will be the MWC absorbing OSU and WSU. Worst case is that OSU is somehow left out of a conference completely and unable to get back into a conference due to lack of interest. This seems pretty unlikely, however. Whether you count it in your reality or not... if the MWC and Pac2 merge and keep the "Pac" name for it's intrinsic value it will indeed be a reconstituted Pac12, 13, 15... Just as the Pac12, 10, were melding of teams from the original (4) in the old PCC, then adding WSU ('17), Stanford ('18), SC & Idaho ('22), Montana ('24), UCLA ('28). And, still would have been if Texas and Oklahoma would have been added. From the PCC, to it's dissolution and moving forward to the Pac12 it's always been a melding of teams from different conferences. The key in keeping the Pac name is in the revenue stream over the years '24-30. Of course, depending on what the legal scholars come up with. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 25, 2023 12:39:11 GMT -8
Hilarious... and ridiculous... all at the same time. Like anything Barnes can do will MAKE a P5 conference take OSU! Freaking funny. Ok... this post will jump all over as you make so many absurd proclamations it is mind boggling... I believe we are well past the stage of the being invited to a p% conference... I think? And, you have zero idea of what has happened out of the public eye, let alone know what OSU/Barnes' mind set is/has been. We all do know we are well into Plan B, C, maybe D. "At all costs"... again hilarious. What does that mean? Offer to join a conference just because it has a P5 label? For what, free? Yeah... that will work! Or, what just drop athletics if we aren't going to be P5?? Comparing OSU to Stanford's arrogant attitude... LOL... yeah that is the stance we should all take. FFS dude... go become a fan of some P5 team if that is your take. Or, how about you simply pony up multimillions per year for OSU to just join any old conference for absolutely no revenue!! Cuz, you do know comparing financial resources and what Stanford is capable of, hence their comments, and what OSU has/is capable of is like comparing apples to like... what caviar. Oh wait... I forgot, the conference(s)/media partners would have to want OSU... right? Or, in your two weeks of decision making (thank gawd you have no pull in any of the OSU brain trust's thought process!) come up with some idea that the conferences will suddenly want OSU? Or you know from all this master deliberation that Barnes has not already been down that road?? Scary part... it took you two weeks to come up with this stream of... By the way, none of what you say is factual. You simply made stuff up from your personal bias. For instance, you do know all those inferior teams and weak competition have not only had success, but recruit very good football players, and have/had tons of great coaches. Where do think the most of the P5 coaches and assistants come from? Last I looked there were 589 NFL roster spots held by non P5 players, about 20%. Being a great team in a non P5 conference would be a step up for OSU. Try looking at the pecking order if OSU were to be in some of the other P5 conferences getting no money. Really, you think our recruiting would not suffer? As far as scheduling, OSU can schedule as tough as they want in their NC games. Or, are you of the as far removed from reality mind set that OSU can compete with the elite teams if we are in a P5 conference??But, more importantly you're just spouting nonsense as OSU will not be in one of the remaining P4 conferences no matter what you think Barnes can do. And, your thoughts are from a poster with vast experience in D1 athletic administration?? And, your entire paragraph on big changes and unsustainability is pure uneducated blather. You have no idea IF changes will come, let alone when or what, or how it would effect OSU in terms of what conference they are in. It's pure, uneducated speculation. Not being a P5 school is not the end of the world. Having zero revenue is. Less is pretty much already assured. But, as you said, we've thrived with less, always have... and will again. Barnes has done everything he can given what he has to work with. And, speak for your own (and a tiny minority) "excitement" level. Most attend OSU games to watch OSU. We have a 35k seat stadium and it will be 80%-90%+ full no matter what conference we are in. If you and those like you aren't excited enough, so be it. Others will be. OSU is not going anywhere for no money. And the Beavers are highly competitive in football right now. The baseball program is a perennial power. Gymnastics is strong. Women's basketball has had plenty of success in the past decade. Wrestling is solid. They don't need to join with the MWC or AAC, etc. to be able to compete. They're already there. But do go on... No Power 5 conference is calling. If you think the Beavers can go independent and do it on their own, I got a bridge to sell you. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 25, 2023 12:39:48 GMT -8
There isn't going to be a reconstituted Pac-12. At best it will be the melding of fragments consisting of the best schools/programs from other conferences (probably the MWC and AAC, although I suppose there's hope of adding additional schools from the ACC when it falls apart). Or it will be the MWC absorbing OSU and WSU. Worst case is that OSU is somehow left out of a conference completely and unable to get back into a conference due to lack of interest. This seems pretty unlikely, however. OSU and WSU join the MWC, say hello to a 4 mil a year TV contract and prepare to share the next 5 years of the last 5 year's won't of Pac 12 residuals with every last one that just left. If the MWC votes to disband and join the Pac 2, that IS a reconstituted PAC. It's not locked into a small CBS driven contract, and OSU and WSU get to decide what the Pac does with the residuals that are coming. Whether that happens or not has yet to be seen, but both OSU/WSU and the MWC schools have big financial incentives to do it. No. it's the MWC with OSU and WSU added. It doesn't matter what it's called. The main difference is that OSU and WSU might be able to bring some money, etc. into the mix. That would no doubt make the conference somewhat stronger but let's stop acting like it's practically the same thing as the Pac-12. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 25, 2023 12:48:43 GMT -8
OSU and WSU join the MWC, say hello to a 4 mil a year TV contract and prepare to share the next 5 years of the last 5 year's won't of Pac 12 residuals with every last one that just left. If the MWC votes to disband and join the Pac 2, that IS a reconstituted PAC. It's not locked into a small CBS driven contract, and OSU and WSU get to decide what the Pac does with the residuals that are coming. Whether that happens or not has yet to be seen, but both OSU/WSU and the MWC schools have big financial incentives to do it. No. it's the MWC with OSU and WSU added. It doesn't matter what it's called. The main difference is that OSU and WSU might be able to bring some money, etc. into the mix. That would no doubt make the conference somewhat stronger but let's stop acting like it's practically the same thing as the Pac-12. I don't think anyone was acting like a new Pac-whatever would be "practically the same thing" |
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