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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 23, 2023 7:09:10 GMT -8
p8nted Just to complete the timeline, Colorado and Utah agreed to start playing in the Pac-12 in 2012 in June 2012, Colorado and Utah accepted an invite to start playing in 2011 on September 21, 2010. The 12 teams agreed to split into divisions and agreed on how the money would be split on October 21, 2010. The Pac-12 announced all of the 2011 schedules on November 5, 2010. That is all to say that this could drag on another 6-7 months and still work out great. Understood but this is more complex. We have no TV deal and we need got add 5-6 teams to replace our In conference schedules. If we only add 2-4 there will be a mad scramble for scheduling OOC FB and BB games with only a few months left few teams have openings. It is a tough row to hoe. Yep, assuming the Pac still exists, if the league can get to 8 teams that’s only & conference games and everyone would have to find 2 additional OOC opponents to schedule 12 games. I suspect it’s much easier to join a conference on short notice than to build a conference on short notice… a lot of moving parts to deal with. |
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 23, 2023 7:17:50 GMT -8
When we rejoined the conference in 1964, after having been independent for several years, we continued to schedule the same West Coast teams we had been scheduling as an independent; the Norhwest schools plus Stanford. It took us until 1968 to get to where we had a full conference schedule of six conference games.
If the conference reassembles w/o the MWC imploding, who are we going to schedule? The legacy Pac 12 teams will have their hands full trying to get games in their new conferences and the MWC schools retain their existing conference scheduling commitments. Unless we fill up on the Eastern Washingtons, Northern Arizonas, Sac States, we're going to have to search far and wide and likely do a lot of travelling.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 8:01:05 GMT -8
A lot of people on here comparing this to things that happened to the Pac over the years.... Thing is, this really is not the same, at all. This is a historic change in which the Pac is going away, or at least no longer a P5 conference. We, unfortunately, are on the outside looking in. I know a lot of folks on here are spinning the positive, but the reality is this is a very net negative for our university. I'm still struggling to find the positives other than potentially good travel for away games?  |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 23, 2023 9:51:02 GMT -8
I know a lot of folks on here are spinning the positive, but the reality is this is a very net negative for our university. I'm still struggling to find the positives other than potentially good travel for away games? It makes aggielarry happy? |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 10:23:41 GMT -8
I know a lot of folks on here are spinning the positive, but the reality is this is a very net negative for our university. I'm still struggling to find the positives other than potentially good travel for away games? It makes aggielarry happy? I think for MW folks definitely an opp to gain ground on the food chain. Although, in the long run the big boys are going to try to squeeze out the lower tier conferences.....so none of this will really be a positive for any of us "have nots" if that happens. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 23, 2023 11:34:54 GMT -8
A lot of people on here comparing this to things that happened to the Pac over the years.... Thing is, this really is not the same, at all. This is a historic change in which the Pac is going away, or at least no longer a P5 conference. We, unfortunately, are on the outside looking in. I know a lot of folks on here are spinning the positive, but the reality is this is a very net negative for our university. I'm still struggling to find the positives other than potentially good travel for away games? There is no guarantee there's no Power 5 situation until the conference is set. Likely lose the P5 status, but not for sure. If it ends up being the Pac 4 plus the best of the Mountain West and the best of the AAC, that's actually a quite strong conference with a huge geographic multi-timezone presence with several large metro areas. There'd actually be a good argument for keeping P5 status. It ain't over until it's over. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 12:02:21 GMT -8
A lot of people on here comparing this to things that happened to the Pac over the years.... Thing is, this really is not the same, at all. This is a historic change in which the Pac is going away, or at least no longer a P5 conference. We, unfortunately, are on the outside looking in. I know a lot of folks on here are spinning the positive, but the reality is this is a very net negative for our university. I'm still struggling to find the positives other than potentially good travel for away games? There is no guarantee there's no Power 5 situation until the conference is set. Likely lise the P5 status, but not for sure. If it ends up being the Pac 4 plus the best of the Mountain West and the best of the AAC, that's actually a quite strong conference with a huge geographic multi-timezone presence with several large metro areas. There'd actually be a good argument for keeping P5 status. It ain't over until it's over. You really think the big boys are gonna let that happen? This is just the beginning. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Aug 23, 2023 12:36:41 GMT -8
It is being reported that OSU officials are going to meet with the MWC tomorrow for the first time, a kind of getting to know each other meeting. Apparently, OSU is not going to wait for Stanford, or they have a pretty good idea Stanford is not interested in joining the MWC or the AAC.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 12:50:00 GMT -8
Latest reports show Stanford, Cal and SMU trying to get into the ACC. SMU allegedly is willing to take no money from the TV contract for the first 7 years.
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 23, 2023 13:16:37 GMT -8
Latest reports show Stanford, Cal and SMU trying to get into the ACC. SMU allegedly is willing to take no money from the TV contract for the first 7 years. Florida State, Clemson and North Carolina are complaining. They are also trying to get out of the ACC. That being said, there may not be much of the ACC to join. Those schools will do just about anything to get out. We saw what happened to the pac when schools started bailing. California is running a huge deficit. I also don't think Stanford footing their own expenses will last very long. Costs keep going up. Can the endowment keep up? More travel if they join the ACC. Will be interesting to see how this all pans out. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 13:22:22 GMT -8
Latest reports show Stanford, Cal and SMU trying to get into the ACC. SMU allegedly is willing to take no money from the TV contract for the first 7 years. Florida State, Clemson and North Carolina are complaining. They are also trying to get out of the ACC. That being said, there may not be much of the ACC to join. Those schools will do just about anything to get out. We saw what happened to the pac when schools started bailing. California is running a huge deficit. I also don't think Stanford footing their own expenses will last very long. Costs keep going up. Can the endowment keep up? More travel if they join the ACC. Will be interesting to see how this all pans out. This is like USC cock blocking, and then bailing. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Aug 23, 2023 13:24:36 GMT -8
It is being reported that OSU officials are going to meet with the MWC tomorrow for the first time, a kind of getting to know each other meeting. Apparently, OSU is not going to wait for Stanford, or they have a pretty good idea Stanford is not interested in joining the MWC or the AAC. Pete Thamel of ESPN reporting that Stanford, Cal and SMU are under "serious consideration" by the ACC to join the conference. It is looking more and more likely that OSU and WSUs best and only option is to join the MWC. Considering the fact that Barnes ripped UO and UW for joining a conference that would require student athletes to travel across the country I don't see the AAC as a viable option. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 23, 2023 14:07:39 GMT -8
It is being reported that OSU officials are going to meet with the MWC tomorrow for the first time, a kind of getting to know each other meeting. Apparently, OSU is not going to wait for Stanford, or they have a pretty good idea Stanford is not interested in joining the MWC or the AAC. Pete Thamel of ESPN reporting that Stanford, Cal and SMU are under "serious consideration" by the ACC to join the conference. It is looking more and more likely that OSU and WSUs best and only option is to join the MWC. Considering the fact that Barnes ripped UO and UW for joining a conference that would require student athletes to travel across the country I don't see the AAC as a viable option. I am thinking even though Stanford and Cal may bail, I would still try to build the Pac back up. Not seeing why Stanford and Cal leaving would change things. I know it is about brand awareness but building the pac back up is still better than the alternatives no matter what happens in my opinion. If that won't happen, a merger where the MWC would dissolve into the pac. Oh well, I don't have the weight on my shoulders to make the decision. The pressure to make a good decision is pretty big. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 14:19:02 GMT -8
I am thinking even though Stanford and Cal may bail, I would still try to build the Pac back up. Not seeing why Stanford and Cal leaving would change things. I know it is about brand awareness but building the pac back up is still better than the alternatives no matter what happens in my opinion. If that won't happen, a merger where the MWC would dissolve into the pac. Oh well, I don't have the weight on my shoulders to make the decision. The pressure to make a good decision is pretty big. How much pressure is there when we literally don't have any options? We may as well accept that we are going to be part of the MW.....or the Pac mountain.....or Pac west.....or whatever the hell u wanna call it. Once this is finalized, the real pressure comes.....budget cuts. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Aug 23, 2023 14:21:22 GMT -8
I am thinking even though Stanford and Cal may bail, I would still try to build the Pac back up. Not seeing why Stanford and Cal leaving would change things. I know it is about brand awareness but building the pac back up is still better than the alternatives no matter what happens in my opinion. If that won't happen, a merger where the MWC would dissolve into the pac. Oh well, I don't have the weight on my shoulders to make the decision. The pressure to make a good decision is pretty big. Whether this new conference is called the Pac-? or the MWC can be left up to the marketing people, either way it will likely be a combination of OSU, WSU and most or all the teams that currently make up the MWC. |
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