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Post by vhalum92 on Aug 22, 2023 11:01:18 GMT -8
Isn't the challenge that the MW has a buy out clause that doesn't expire until 2025?
My first wish is to rebuild the Pac... but thinking of our football schedule for 2024... we will have our 3 OOC games, maybe 3 conference games (WSU, Cal and Stanford assuming none of them leave)... and what else?
I guess we could scramble to pick up some games to add... I actually thought Notre Dame would be a cool add... but I'm sure they are set for 2024.
My concern is if this doesn't get resolved soon... we will start losing players and potentially even coaches in the football program over fear of the unknown/playing only 6 games next year...
I can see adding MW teams in 2025.... to the pac. But I don't see us buying them out of the MW. How sad to thin that could be the solution to save the Pac.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 22, 2023 11:14:56 GMT -8
Isn't the challenge that the MW has a buy out clause that doesn't expire until 2025? My first wish is to rebuild the Pac... but thinking of our football schedule for 2024... we will have our 3 OOC games, maybe 3 conference games (WSU, Cal and Stanford assuming none of them leave)... and what else? I guess we could scramble to pick up some games to add... I actually thought Notre Dame would be a cool add... but I'm sure they are set for 2024. My concern is if this doesn't get resolved soon... we will start losing players and potentially even coaches in the football program over fear of the unknown/playing only 6 games next year... I can see adding MW teams in 2025.... to the pac. But I don't see us buying them out of the MW. How sad to thin that could be the solution to save the Pac. The MWC only has a buyout IF there's a mountain west conference. IF enough MWC teams want to join the PAC, they can vote to dissolve the conference. No conference in '24, no buyout. It could in theory be done tomorrow. That kind of means we need to take most or all of them, to get that vote done though. Failing that, buyouts are a problem. Meanwhile Stanford and Cal drag their feet. I'd prefer to have them stay, but if they want to join the Big10, the ACC, the Big12, the CFL, whatever - they should just make up their minds, FAST. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2023 12:11:07 GMT -8
That's great. Do they have the votes? I don't think that they do. Unless one of the Power-4 adds teams, they are still short of a majority. They might push for it, but they won't get it.  Votes talk. Money can influence votes. Here is what I have: ACC 15
Big Ten 18
Big 12 16
SEC 16
Total 65
Total FBS teams 133. Majority 67.
Right now, the non-Power 4 have 68 votes to the Power 4's 65. Who are the two non-Power 4 teams that are going to vote against interest? Unless the Power 4 expands to add two teams, the Power 4 is still in the minority.
I just don't see it, unless the Power 4 expands or this whole thing implodes. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2023 12:15:38 GMT -8
Isn't the challenge that the MW has a buy out clause that doesn't expire until 2025? My first wish is to rebuild the Pac... but thinking of our football schedule for 2024... we will have our 3 OOC games, maybe 3 conference games (WSU, Cal and Stanford assuming none of them leave)... and what else? I guess we could scramble to pick up some games to add... I actually thought Notre Dame would be a cool add... but I'm sure they are set for 2024. My concern is if this doesn't get resolved soon... we will start losing players and potentially even coaches in the football program over fear of the unknown/playing only 6 games next year... I can see adding MW teams in 2025.... to the pac. But I don't see us buying them out of the MW. How sad to thin that could be the solution to save the Pac. The MWC only has a buyout IF there's a mountain west conference. IF enough MWC teams want to join the PAC, they can vote to dissolve the conference. No conference in '24, no buyout. It could in theory be done tomorrow. That kind of means we need to take most or all of them, to get that vote done though. Failing that, buyouts are a problem. Meanwhile Stanford and Cal drag their feet. I'd prefer to have them stay, but if they want to join the Big10, the ACC, the Big12, the CFL, whatever - they should just make up their minds, FAST. You need to add at least eight and probably nine Mountain West teams to avoid the buyout. If Air Force does something else, you could stop at a new Pac-12 with eight Mountain West teams. If Air Force wants to join, you could pair them with a great AAC team, like Memphis, Southern Methodist, Tulane, or UTSA to get to 14. I think that it would be better to snatch up eight AAC teams to get to 12 and then add 1 or 2 Mountain West teams, when their contract expires, between the 2025 and 2026 seasons. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2023 12:32:07 GMT -8
Isn't the challenge that the MW has a buy out clause that doesn't expire until 2025? My first wish is to rebuild the Pac... but thinking of our football schedule for 2024... we will have our 3 OOC games, maybe 3 conference games (WSU, Cal and Stanford assuming none of them leave)... and what else? I guess we could scramble to pick up some games to add... I actually thought Notre Dame would be a cool add... but I'm sure they are set for 2024. My concern is if this doesn't get resolved soon... we will start losing players and potentially even coaches in the football program over fear of the unknown/playing only 6 games next year... I can see adding MW teams in 2025.... to the pac. But I don't see us buying them out of the MW. How sad to thin that could be the solution to save the Pac. You need at least six teams to make a conference. So you would have at least five conference games. Oregon State and Wazzu would be idiots not to have a conference by then. Oddly enough, Notre Dame does have an opening in its 2024 schedule. The Irish are one game short. They need to schedule a game in on October 5th, November 2nd, or November 23rd. I believe that they are trying to schedule an FCS team in one of those slots, though, as opposed to an Oregon State. Oregon State's 2024 nonconference schedule is currently: Idaho State, @ Boise State, Bye, and Purdue. If the Pac-12 adds 8+ teams from the Mountain West, maybe Boise State becomes a conference game, which opens up at least one nonconference slot. Oregon is full up from 2024 to 2028. They would need to cancel games, in order to restart the Civil War, and I do not know how committed that they are to the rivalry. Washington has an immediate opening in 2029, which would be a great game to add. The Civil War is the fourth-most-played rivalry series in FBS football. And Oregon State's rivalries with Washington and Wazzu are the 40th-most-played. After this season, the rivalries will be tied with Alabama-Mississippi State and the Battle of the Brazos (Baylor-Texas A&M), one game back of California-USC and Duke-North Carolina. It would be great to keep the Oregon and Washington rivalries going, as long as we get a square deal in both. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 22, 2023 12:32:22 GMT -8
Isn't the challenge that the MW has a buy out clause that doesn't expire until 2025? My first wish is to rebuild the Pac... but thinking of our football schedule for 2024... we will have our 3 OOC games, maybe 3 conference games (WSU, Cal and Stanford assuming none of them leave)... and what else? I guess we could scramble to pick up some games to add... I actually thought Notre Dame would be a cool add... but I'm sure they are set for 2024. My concern is if this doesn't get resolved soon... we will start losing players and potentially even coaches in the football program over fear of the unknown/playing only 6 games next year... I can see adding MW teams in 2025.... to the pac. But I don't see us buying them out of the MW. How sad to thin that could be the solution to save the Pac. The MWC only has a buyout IF there's a mountain west conference. IF enough MWC teams want to join the PAC, they can vote to dissolve the conference. No conference in '24, no buyout. It could in theory be done tomorrow. That kind of means we need to take most or all of them, to get that vote done though. Failing that, buyouts are a problem. Meanwhile Stanford and Cal drag their feet. I'd prefer to have them stay, but if they want to join the Big10, the ACC, the Big12, the CFL, whatever - they should just make up their minds, FAST. Stanford has made up their minds, they want out. The problem is no one is offering them an invitation to their league. The conspiracy theory is that Fox and maybe ESPN did not want Apple streaming P5 college football, so they came up with the cash to do in the pac12. Now that the pac12 is dismantled (at least as a p5 conference with media power)Fox and ESPN are not willing to part with one thin dime more to move Stanford and Cal. So we wait to see how many concessions Stanford will make, and if it is enough for someone to take them. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2023 12:38:34 GMT -8
The MWC only has a buyout IF there's a mountain west conference. IF enough MWC teams want to join the PAC, they can vote to dissolve the conference. No conference in '24, no buyout. It could in theory be done tomorrow. That kind of means we need to take most or all of them, to get that vote done though. Failing that, buyouts are a problem. Meanwhile Stanford and Cal drag their feet. I'd prefer to have them stay, but if they want to join the Big10, the ACC, the Big12, the CFL, whatever - they should just make up their minds, FAST. Stanford has made up their minds, they want out. The problem is no one is offering them an invitation to their league. The conspiracy theory is that Fox and maybe ESPN did not want Apple streaming P5 college football, so they came up with the cash to do in the pac12. Now that the pac12 is dismantled (at least as a p5 conference with media power)Fox and ESPN are not willing to part with one thin dime more to move Stanford and Cal. So we wait to see how many concessions Stanford will make, and if it is enough for someone to take them. But the ACC is such a terrible conference that I don't know, if they hold together either. Clemson, Florida State, and the Carolinas want out so bad that they are blocking California and Stanford coming in to solidify the conference. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 22, 2023 13:19:43 GMT -8
The MWC only has a buyout IF there's a mountain west conference. IF enough MWC teams want to join the PAC, they can vote to dissolve the conference. No conference in '24, no buyout. It could in theory be done tomorrow. That kind of means we need to take most or all of them, to get that vote done though. Failing that, buyouts are a problem. Meanwhile Stanford and Cal drag their feet. I'd prefer to have them stay, but if they want to join the Big10, the ACC, the Big12, the CFL, whatever - they should just make up their minds, FAST. The problem is no one is offering them an invitation to their league. The conspiracy theory is that Fox and maybe ESPN did not want Apple streaming P5 college football, so they came up with the cash to do in the pac12. Now that the pac12 is dismantled (at least as a p5 conference with media power)Fox and ESPN are not willing to part with one thin dime more to move Stanford and Cal. So we wait to see how many concessions Stanford will make, and if it is enough for someone to take them.
In the past, how many teams have switched conferences without at least a season between announcement and actual switching conferences? That one year buffer window ends in about 10 days. It'll probably be easier for Stanford and Cal to find a home than OSU and WSU to cobble together a rebuilt Pac Whatever on short notice. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 22, 2023 13:42:53 GMT -8
The MWC only has a buyout IF there's a mountain west conference. IF enough MWC teams want to join the PAC, they can vote to dissolve the conference. No conference in '24, no buyout. It could in theory be done tomorrow. That kind of means we need to take most or all of them, to get that vote done though. Failing that, buyouts are a problem. Meanwhile Stanford and Cal drag their feet. I'd prefer to have them stay, but if they want to join the Big10, the ACC, the Big12, the CFL, whatever - they should just make up their minds, FAST. Stanford has made up their minds, they want out. The problem is no one is offering them an invitation to their league. The conspiracy theory is that Fox and maybe ESPN did not want Apple streaming P5 college football, so they came up with the cash to do in the pac12. Now that the pac12 is dismantled (at least as a p5 conference with media power)Fox and ESPN are not willing to part with one thin dime more to move Stanford and Cal. So we wait to see how many concessions Stanford will make, and if it is enough for someone to take them. Except... Fox & ESPN don't have the cash to get into any type of shooting match with Apple. If Apple wanted in badly the other contracts wouldn't have stopped them. Apple/streaming has a plan... and no one but then knows what it is. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2023 14:10:51 GMT -8
Stanford has made up their minds, they want out. The problem is no one is offering them an invitation to their league. The conspiracy theory is that Fox and maybe ESPN did not want Apple streaming P5 college football, so they came up with the cash to do in the pac12. Now that the pac12 is dismantled (at least as a p5 conference with media power)Fox and ESPN are not willing to part with one thin dime more to move Stanford and Cal. So we wait to see how many concessions Stanford will make, and if it is enough for someone to take them.
In the past, how many teams have switched conferences without at least a season between announcement and actual switching conferences? That one year buffer window ends in about 10 days. It'll probably be easier for Stanford and Cal to find a home than OSU and WSU to cobble together a rebuilt Pac Whatever on short notice. The Sun Belt added James Madison on February 2, 2022, and added Marshall, Old Dominion, and Southern Miss on March 29, 2022. They all were ready to go for the 2022 football season. Temple was added to the Big East on March 7, 2012, to play in the Big East in 2012. TCU was added to the Big 12 on October 10, 2011, and West Virginia was added on February 14, 2012. Both teams played football in the Big 12 in 2012. The Big East, Big 12, and Mountain West all had 2012 schedules ready to go in time. Texas A&M was added to the SEC on October 28, 2011, and Missouri was added on November 6, 2011. Both teams played football in the SEC in 2012. Colorado and Utah were only officially added to the Pac-10 to create the Pac-12 on September 21, 2010. 2011 schedules were ready to go in time for the Big 12, Mountain West, and Pac-12. In Oregon State's ancient history, both Oregon and Oregon State were invited to join the AAWU (the Pac-6) on March 31, 1964, to begin play in football in 1964. The Big East was, at one point, down to three football members in 2012. This is all entirely normal. You just have not really seen something like it in Pac-10 country since 1964. I also will say that the UCLA and USC threatened to leave the Pac-8, if Arizona and Arizona State were not invited to create the Pac-10 back in 1976. Stanford (as usual) and Washington were blocking Arizona and Arizona State for a time before the official invites were extended. |
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Aug 22, 2023 19:25:42 GMT -8
My point being, we can't do squat until Stanford (and likely Cal as well) do something. Until they actually announce they're transferring out, or committed to staying, there are PAC 4 members and we probably can't outvote them to do much of anything.
In the past, how many teams have switched conferences without at least a season between announcement and actual switching conferences? That one year buffer window ends in about 10 days. It'll probably be easier for Stanford and Cal to find a home than OSU and WSU to cobble together a rebuilt Pac Whatever on short notice. The Sun Belt added James Madison on February 2, 2022, and added Marshall, Old Dominion, and Southern Miss on March 29, 2022. They all were ready to go for the 2022 football season. Temple was added to the Big East on March 7, 2012, to play in the Big East in 2012. TCU was added to the Big 12 on October 10, 2011, and West Virginia was added on February 14, 2012. Both teams played football in the Big 12 in 2012. The Big East, Big 12, and Mountain West all had 2012 schedules ready to go in time. Texas A&M was added to the SEC on October 28, 2011, and Missouri was added on November 6, 2011. Both teams played football in the SEC in 2012. Colorado and Utah were only officially added to the Pac-10 to create the Pac-12 on September 21, 2010. 2011 schedules were ready to go in time for the Big 12, Mountain West, and Pac-12. In Oregon State's ancient history, both Oregon and Oregon State were invited to join the AAWU (the Pac-6) on March 31, 1964, to begin play in football in 1964. The Big East was, at one point, down to three football members in 2012. This is all entirely normal. You just have not really seen something like it in Pac-10 country since 1964. I also will say that the UCLA and USC threatened to leave the Pac-8, if Arizona and Arizona State were not invited to create the Pac-10 back in 1976. Stanford (as usual) and Washington were blocking Arizona and Arizona State for a time before the official invites were extended.That is interesting ... found this article relaying the account from the assistant chancellor at UCLA at the time of what went down back then in 1976 with trying to add the Arizona schools and the turmoil that ensued: www.mercurynews.com/2018/08/29/40-years-ago-the-arizona-schools-joined-the-pac-8-an-insiders-account-of-the-process-that-nearly-destroyed-the-conference/ |
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Post by p8nted on Aug 22, 2023 19:57:54 GMT -8
My point being, we can't do squat until Stanford (and likely Cal as well) do something. Until they actually announce they're transferring out, or committed to staying, there are PAC 4 members and we probably can't outvote them to do much of anything.
In the past, how many teams have switched conferences without at least a season between announcement and actual switching conferences? That one year buffer window ends in about 10 days. It'll probably be easier for Stanford and Cal to find a home than OSU and WSU to cobble together a rebuilt Pac Whatever on short notice. The Sun Belt added James Madison on February 2, 2022, and added Marshall, Old Dominion, and Southern Miss on March 29, 2022. They all were ready to go for the 2022 football season. Temple was added to the Big East on March 7, 2012, to play in the Big East in 2012. TCU was added to the Big 12 on October 10, 2011, and West Virginia was added on February 14, 2012. Both teams played football in the Big 12 in 2012. The Big East, Big 12, and Mountain West all had 2012 schedules ready to go in time. Texas A&M was added to the SEC on October 28, 2011, and Missouri was added on November 6, 2011. Both teams played football in the SEC in 2012. Colorado and Utah were only officially added to the Pac-10 to create the Pac-12 on September 21, 2010. 2011 schedules were ready to go in time for the Big 12, Mountain West, and Pac-12. In Oregon State's ancient history, both Oregon and Oregon State were invited to join the AAWU (the Pac-6) on March 31, 1964, to begin play in football in 1964. The Big East was, at one point, down to three football members in 2012.This is all entirely normal. You just have not really seen something like it in Pac-10 country since 1964. I also will say that the UCLA and USC threatened to leave the Pac-8, if Arizona and Arizona State were not invited to create the Pac-10 back in 1976. Stanford (as usual) and Washington were blocking Arizona and Arizona State for a time before the official invites were extended. On June 16, 2010, ESPN announced that the Pac-10 had extended an invitation to Utah to join the conference and the Utes accepted the following day. The Big East football is gone and was toasted. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2023 20:46:04 GMT -8
The Sun Belt added James Madison on February 2, 2022, and added Marshall, Old Dominion, and Southern Miss on March 29, 2022. They all were ready to go for the 2022 football season. Temple was added to the Big East on March 7, 2012, to play in the Big East in 2012. TCU was added to the Big 12 on October 10, 2011, and West Virginia was added on February 14, 2012. Both teams played football in the Big 12 in 2012. The Big East, Big 12, and Mountain West all had 2012 schedules ready to go in time. Texas A&M was added to the SEC on October 28, 2011, and Missouri was added on November 6, 2011. Both teams played football in the SEC in 2012. Colorado and Utah were only officially added to the Pac-10 to create the Pac-12 on September 21, 2010. 2011 schedules were ready to go in time for the Big 12, Mountain West, and Pac-12. In Oregon State's ancient history, both Oregon and Oregon State were invited to join the AAWU (the Pac-6) on March 31, 1964, to begin play in football in 1964. The Big East was, at one point, down to three football members in 2012.This is all entirely normal. You just have not really seen something like it in Pac-10 country since 1964. I also will say that the UCLA and USC threatened to leave the Pac-8, if Arizona and Arizona State were not invited to create the Pac-10 back in 1976. Stanford (as usual) and Washington were blocking Arizona and Arizona State for a time before the official invites were extended. On June 16, 2010, ESPN announced that the Pac-10 had extended an invitation to Utah to join the conference and the Utes accepted the following day. The Big East football is gone and was toasted. Yes, Colorado and Utah actually accepted invites to join in 2012 in June of 2010. But a new offer was accepted on September 21, 2010 for Colorado and Utah to join the Pac-12 in 2011. And Utah still didn't officially make a de facto offer that was accepted until October 21, 2010, which is also the day that the conference officially split into North and South Divisions for football. They put Utah in the South in exchange for Utah taking partial shares for the first three years. The Big East was down to three football members at one point, which is how the Big East basketball schools were able to oust the football schools. Yada yada yada........the Big East football teams became the American Athletic Conference in 2013. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2023 21:06:59 GMT -8
On June 16, 2010, ESPN announced that the Pac-10 had extended an invitation to Utah to join the conference and the Utes accepted the following day. The Big East football is gone and was toasted. Yes, Colorado and Utah actually accepted invites to join in 2012 in June of 2010. But a new offer was accepted on September 21, 2010 for Colorado and Utah to join the Pac-12 in 2011. And Utah still didn't officially make a de facto offer that was accepted until October 21, 2010, which is also the day that the conference officially split into North and South Divisions for football. They put Utah in the South in exchange for Utah taking partial shares for the first three years. The Big East was down to three football members at one point, which is how the Big East basketball schools were able to oust the football schools. Yada yada yada........the Big East football teams became the American Athletic Conference in 2013. Just to complete the timeline, Colorado and Utah agreed to start playing in the Pac-12 in 2012 in June 2012, Colorado and Utah accepted an invite to start playing in 2011 on September 21, 2010. The 12 teams agreed to split into divisions and agreed on how the money would be split on October 21, 2010. The Pac-12 announced all of the 2011 schedules on November 5, 2010. That is all to say that this could drag on another 6-7 months and still work out great. |
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Post by p8nted on Aug 23, 2023 6:21:05 GMT -8
Yes, Colorado and Utah actually accepted invites to join in 2012 in June of 2010. But a new offer was accepted on September 21, 2010 for Colorado and Utah to join the Pac-12 in 2011. And Utah still didn't officially make a de facto offer that was accepted until October 21, 2010, which is also the day that the conference officially split into North and South Divisions for football. They put Utah in the South in exchange for Utah taking partial shares for the first three years. The Big East was down to three football members at one point, which is how the Big East basketball schools were able to oust the football schools. Yada yada yada........the Big East football teams became the American Athletic Conference in 2013. Just to complete the timeline, Colorado and Utah agreed to start playing in the Pac-12 in 2012 in June 2012, Colorado and Utah accepted an invite to start playing in 2011 on September 21, 2010. The 12 teams agreed to split into divisions and agreed on how the money would be split on October 21, 2010. The Pac-12 announced all of the 2011 schedules on November 5, 2010. That is all to say that this could drag on another 6-7 months and still work out great. Understood but this is more complex. We have no TV deal and we need got add 5-6 teams to replace our In conference schedules. If we only add 2-4 there will be a mad scramble for scheduling OOC FB and BB games with only a few months left few teams have openings. It is a tough row to hoe. |
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